Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Female nude wrestling

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. The keep comments (at least, the ones worth paying any attention to) acknowledge that the article may need a complete rewrite to avoid reading like a hoax. Frankly, if the article's in that bad shape, it can start again from scratch after this particular incarnation gets wiped. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 11:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Female nude wrestling

• Delete - article does seem to exist as a keyword magnet for the urls listed. Tawker 03:30, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
• not delete - Significance is existing. There exist a lot of Yaoo groups treating this sport. The images are on my point of view not "hard pornograhy" because the female genitals are not visibly. (Only vaguely the pubic hair on the 2nd image). - This is of course not pornography but only nudism! Einzelkämpfer —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Einzelkämpfer (talk • contribs) 17:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC).
• I have found 10,070 Google hits! significant —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.178.155.242 (talk • contribs) .

  Sorry, but try putting the string in quotes as is done here. Most links are porn sites. --StuffOfInterest 20:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

• Female nude wrestling is different to catfight. Only Catfight seems more sexuel motivated, Female Nude Wrestling not. In Austria exist a respectable Wrestling division (Danube Wrestling Women-DWW) were Women fight naked or less dressed (Bikini), but without sexuel intend. There a lot of spectators are women, too. - Don´t delete Toronto 98 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.156.205.193 (talk • contribs) 11:31, 14 February 2006 (UTC).

Reference Check Fails This article appears to be a puppetshow. It contains links to commercial pornography portals. The "Tony Perrottet: The Naked Olympics" book cited as a reference for this article is bogus. The sections cited do not appear to carry any reference to female nude wrestling. They cover the topics of Olympic rites and sacrifices to Greek dieties. If we've missed something in the reference, please correct us. Otherwise, this article with all re-direct pages and links should be deleted. --Deeb 03:35 February 13, 2006 (UTC)

• The article should not be deleted, only the links to pornographic sites. The theme is relevant and the authors underlay clearly that this kind of wrestling is not pornography. (It is mentioned that all sexuel intended dealings are strikt forbidden during a contest).

On the other hand exist the same article in the German WiKi.

• Keep after deleting the commercial links ➥the Epopt 15:34, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and rewrite. From searches I have done, including looking at German wikipedia, it appears that this is sexual entertainment, meaning the page will need to be totally rewritten. As this activity does exist, I don't feel a delete is necessary. As long as the article is rewritten to acknowledge that this is sexual entertainment and cites sources, I say keep. Bad ideas 04:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

AfD was orphaned. Listing now CanadianCaesar The Republic Restored 04:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

• Weak delete, btw anybody else notice all 6 women portrayed have bleach-blonde hair? giggle Sherurcij ^{(talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject)} 05:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep If this 'sport' is legit, then keep (especially that last image...! Hmm.). Needs substantial rewrite though, and may well have originated as a gag. However, that alone is no bar if the subject is sufficiently notable anyway. Obviously, links to porn etc should be axed. Badgerpatrol 05:10, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Delete No references/reference check fails, possible copy vio images. Mike _{(T C)} 05:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I thought this was pretty funny though: "If she obtains the bonus, she gets to go into a special position". Mike _{(T C)} 05:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep and rewrite to make it less pornographic and remove the commercial appeal. Oh, and make sure the images can be legally used or else remove them. Cema 05:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: Trim the links and change anything you consider promotional to be NPOV. However, wikipedia is not censored for the protection of minors. This is obviously notable as well. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 06:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Obvious WP:NOR violation, no indication that anything in the article could be verified. Looks like not-very-well-disguised advertising for the videos/performers the author is touting. Monicasdude 12:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. A little investigation shows that the pictures on the article are named Image:Timea Vagvoelgyi wrestling 4.jpg etc., and we currently have an article on Timea Vagvoelgyi, saying she is a porn star. This seems a sufficient evidence of a made-up topic. - Liberatore(T) 16:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Little evidence presented that this is a notable sport. Capitalistroadster 18:00, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. In the current form it appears to be nothing but promotional original research. If such a sport really does exist then the article can be recreated from a neutral, non-commerical point of view. --StuffOfInterest 20:40, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Redirect to Mud wrestling, since they're almost identical forms of sexual entertainment. Makemi 20:58, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable sport Avi 20:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn "sport".Blnguyen 02:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - The authors underlay that this nothing has to do with porn intended mud wrestling. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.156.205.194 (talk • contribs) 12:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC).
• Delete as per WP:NOR, WP:N, and WP:VSCA. Stifle 13:00, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Wikipedia policies indicated by Stifle. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud} 17:26, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment Despite the author's emphasis on this point, all the evidence I have seen indicates that this is pornography, not a sport. However, that in itself is not grounds for deletion. The subject is still notable, much like mud wrestling, catfighting, etc. are considered notable. My vote remains as above. Bad ideas 18:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep The subject is noteable, even if the sporting aspect is rather dubious.GordyB 11:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

  The whole article describes this activity as a sport. Since we agree that this is not a sport, I do not see what can be saved of the article. - Liberatore(T) 12:45, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Very much notable. May need work though. But keep. Forever young 15:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - BMF81 10:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as per Badgerpatrol. The JPS 15:15, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete wikispam at worst, original research at best. If there's anything notable about this, redirect it to some more comprehensive article.--Cúchullain t / c 02:54, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.