Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Blumberg

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mangojuice^talk 16:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Larry Blumberg

I believe this article does not meet WP:BIO notability standards Seaphoto 03:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per bio TrackerTV (CW|Castform|Green Valley) 03:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom ST47 11:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Just a litle short of the WP:BIO standard. MysteryDog 14:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I have asked the creator to clarify the claims to notability, for example the size of the company he works for. 172 unique Googles is unpromising, I must say. Just zis Guy you know? 19:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Vanity. Leuko 19:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

  Comment. Not at all. Adraeus 05:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete — per nom. Dionyseus 23:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I strongly object to this nomination. The lack of research committed by the deletionists is astounding.

1. The article describes the notability of the subject; although, familiarity with defense industry is necessary to understand that the content of the article does indeed substantiate the subject as notable.
2. DRS Technologies [1], a $3 billion USD defense company, supplies defense electronics to every major branch of the United States Military. In 2005, DRS was a Forbes Best Managed Companies in the United States. DRS has also spent time as one of the Forbes 400 Best Big Companies in America.
3. The subject also established the San Diego Military Advisory Council, a high-profile group consisting of mostly top executives from major defense companies and many military officers, that deals with high-profile issues relevant to San Diego.
4. In addition to being on the board of directors of every organization in which he's been involved, he is also a former president of the Pacific Life Holiday Bowl — a nationally televised NCAA-sanctioned event. (Do non-notable people speak live to 50,000 people in a stadium?) He plays a significant role in Fleet Week San Diego, a major Naval Festival; the Coronado Speed Festival, a major classic automobiles and racing event; as well as in the San Diego chapters of Navy League of the United_States, Surface Navy Association, and Rotary International — all of which are immense and powerful organizations.
5. The subject was also the first (not 1st) commanding officer of a Spruance class destroyer and the first (not 1st) commanding officer of now-retired Vice Admiral Timothy LaFleur, who is Vice President of the Surface Navy Association on the West Coast.

The bottom line is that this subject is definitely notable. Anyone who's anybody in defense knows that. Adraeus 11:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. Please review Wikipedia:Notability. Adraeus 12:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I am very familiar with the defense industry, Navy League ,and the US Navy. The first time I ran across the name was in the Spruance class destroyer article. This was caught my attention,because other articles of this type don't detail the commanding officers for the ships involved - every class would of course have a first commanding officer, and each ship in that class would have one an initial commander, and many more thereafter. Following the link,I thought perhaps the gentleman was notable for some other reason, but he appears, at best, to be known in the San Diego area. He works for a division of a large company, but does not head that division. The first commanding officer of a retired admiral? Hardly notable; in fact the admiral in question doesn't have an article on WP. I am not persuaded to rescind my delete.Seaphoto 14:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

1. Your logic regarding the first arguments are valid; although, there are many people who are considered notable for being the first to do something.
2. You are continuing to ignore the accomplishments of the subject.
3. You are assuming that region negates notability.
4. You are also assuming that Wikipedia contains articles on every notable subject.

Your argument for deletion lacks substance, a truism of any belief. Adraeus 05:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete fails WP:BIO. Eusebeus 20:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

  Comment. WP:BIO also suggests editors think critically instead of blindly and rigidly misconstruing WP:BIO as policy. The WP:BIO guidelines cannot "fail" articles precisely because guidelines are intended to direct effort — not govern behavior. Adraeus 05:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep First commander of a Spruance-class is notable, in my opinion. Plinth molecular gathered 18:23, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The definitive work on the Spruance Class is Electronic Greyhounds: The Spruance Class Destroyers, By Captain Michael C. Potter (ISBN 1-55750-682-5). I could find no mention of Captain Blumberg in this book, which argues against the above point, as other officers are mentioned by name. Seaphoto 01:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, while I can see why each of the things the subject is mentioned for is individually not particularly notable, I feel that taken as a whole he himself is notable. He is someone I would expect to find in a Who's Who. While I realise this is not the purpose of Wikipedia, his wide range of experience lends itself to his potential inclusion in many other articles. Without his own article I fear duplication of information. Mallanox 19:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Fails my 510 standard for notability with two local articles and no superregional coverage. Also one article by the San Diego Union-Tribune calls the San Diego Military Advisory Council a "splinter group". ~ trialsanderrors 07:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Sure he's an accomplished guy. Does not meet the My Dad criteria -- he's not as accomplished as my dad, who doesn't have an article and shouldn't. Destroyer captain, meh. Member of boards of directors, meh. Director of notable organizations -- sure the organizations may be notable, not their heads. I'm glad for him that he's had a productive life. Millions of others have, too. Herostratus 18:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.