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Contents 1 Vertigo UTS 2 motion capture 3 PrimeFan and CompositeFan 4 Your historical image being deleted 5 More DFs 6 Your RFC 7 User:Mangojuice/Trivia 8 Trivia 9 SCI 10 Thanx... 11 RE: WP:ACID 12 Enough 13 Thank you 14 Natural History of South Asia mailing list 15 The Bikini Carwash Company 16 Hi 17 Re: Response 18 Denajua2hotmail.com (talk • contribs) 19 Wikipedia:Peer review/Domenico Selvo 20 March WP:FILMS Newsletter

[edit] Vertigo UTS

Hey, I was just wondering why Vertigo (UTS) was deleted in its entirety, especially without any discussion or notice? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.167.3.73 (talk) 11:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

It was under Criteria for Speedy Deletion A7, as a club with no claim of notability. Mangojuice^talk 23:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

How can a claim of notability be lodged or displayed? Vertigo is the student newspaper at my university and has a significant reputation amongst the student population there. I don't know the exact statistics, but its something like 30,000 students who are enrolled. There are also wikipedia articles covering other student newspapers across Australia, many of which don't have such a reputation in their area? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.167.35.148 (talk) 10:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Well, a good start would be to find reliable, independent sources that discuss the student paper. If it's important enough to cover, then someone else would have written about the newspaper, and all information about the newspaper included in the article should come from independent sources like this. Mangojuice^talk 12:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, Cool.. We'll I did a quick google search for "uts vertigo" (http://www.google.com.au/search?q=uts+vertigo) and the first 8 Pages were all referring to the publication (although with the occasional reference to the sickness, as you'd expect). It has been referred too in some more significant places such as the major local paper, The Sydney Morning Herald (http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/campuses-succumb-to-corporate-world/2007/01/23/1169518709563.html - I've noticed it published in there more often when regarding student issues, but can't find digitised copies), in Academic writings (http://home.vicnet.net.au/~abr/Aug06/Griffen-Foley%20Media.htm), Assorted online journals (http://www.reportage.uts.edu.au/stories/2005/media/leader.htm), recommended by PR people for its Promotional Opportunities (http://www.indieinitiative.com/ifShowHeadline.asp?ID=5585), but the bulk of it is filled with references from within the university departments and faculties, as you can see if you flick through the results.

I was under the impression that the original page only covered the basics such as what it was, where it was published, who writes it (the current editors names can be found in the pdf copy of their latest edition on their website, http://sa.uts.edu.au/vertigo/ ). I don't think it was included in the original article, but in looking all this stuff up I also found their readership and circulation information in their media kit too which could be put there? I don't know if thats appropriate though as its straight from their mouths, but then again all readership and circulation information comes from the magazine which publishes it lol. Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.44.236.239 (talk) 23:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Nice research. If you want to recreate the article, go ahead, and try to use these sources as much as possible. Sadly, having perused a couple of them, they seem to say very little about the paper: basically, that they exist, and that they have reacted to the funding cut that many student organizations have recently faced. I don't know about using Vertigo's own media material to back up claims that the paper is notable, but you can try it, it's better than not having any source. But this certainly passes the A7 test if those sources are included.. but that doesn't mean it will pass all the general inclusion guidelines; see WP:N and WP:ORG for some guidelines that are the "real" test. Basically, speedy deletion is just a set of basic simplified things that shouldn't be that hard to pass. I'm going to undelete the article, in case you want to use it as the basis for a more thorough one. Mangojuice^talk 03:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool, I'll see what I can do. Let me know if there's something to tighten up or whatever. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.167.44.187 (talk) 07:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

I did some work on it the other day, what do you think about the article now?

[edit] motion capture

I have resisted re-listing our company information on the motion capture web pages. Could someone less biased than I am please police it. Several companies are now listing themselves including the one that first challenged me. I lose either way. I'm banned, and they aren't, and I look vindictive. Tmcsheery 06:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PrimeFan and CompositeFan

Am I the only one who thinks the names might be a little suspicious? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:58, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your historical image being deleted

Hi. I'm TechnoFaye and I'm writing this because you had a perfectly good image you uploaded marked for deletion by Abu Bidali. You should know that he does this because he thinks it's funny; he even says so on his user page. More then 20 other editors just like us are parties to several formal complaints to Wikipedia in an effort to have him banned permanently for doing just what he did to you. Others have described him on the record as a "hoodlum" and a "vandal". My testimony was that "Bidali would be just as happy breaking antennas off cars at night". After he is gone, we can repair the damage he has done to WP. If you haven't already, please consider adding your name to the lists at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali#Users_Who_Endorse_This_Summary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali#Users_who_endorse_this_summary:_2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali#Users_who_endorse_this_summary:_4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali#Other_users_who_endorse_this_summary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Abu_badali#Users_who_endorse_this_summary

[edit] More DFs

Here are 20 more articles, including one that was from DF, it was just merged from one of his articles to a stub. I am on the last section, but am pretty busy IRL. Almost done with this mess though. (Then I might have time to help out LordAmeth with contributions here) Thanks! --Kuuzo 03:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your RFC

Any reason you haven't ever given a response in your RfC? It's at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abu badali. Mangojuice^talk 19:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Is there something specific you want me to reply? I don't see how I could be helpful there. There are some critics and a ton of personal attacks. The critics are welcome, but there's anything I'd like to add. And I won't take the time to reply the personal attacks, or baseless (diffless) accusations.

The whole rfd is strange from the beginning. What's exactly being disputed there? Read the Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abu badali#Statement of the dispute and try to discover, because I couldn't. Read Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abu badali#Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute and help me to find the "evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute".

At some point, it turned into a place for editors dump their rant about me. And as I work mainly with image cleaning, there are a lot willing editors. --Abu badali ^(talk) 16:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Mangojuice/Trivia

I apologise for the delay in responding: I inadvertently skipped over your comment and did not actually see it until today, while archiving my talk page.

I think your change has made the essay more descriptive and significantly more informative. It defines the issue and its various manifestations, and identifies the problems it poses. It provides recommendations for addressing trivia sections and articles, but also specifies the limitations of each approach. The addition of the section regarding the danger of wading into original research while trying to transform a series of trivial facts into a general conclusion was, in my opinion, particularly prudent.

I am not sure whether I agree about your argument that plain lists are preferable to annotated ones (largely because I read the revised version just 15-20 minutes ago), but you make a good argument and it's certainly something to think about. My hesitance, so far, is this: if an item that is noteworthy enough to be listed lacks any annotation, how will a reader know what the connection is without reading the linked article?

Are you considering moving this into the Wikipedia namespace as an essay? It would be a valuable addition and a useful aid when dealing with trivial information. I think I might even supporting turning it into a guideline (as an extension of WP:TRIV, perhaps). Cheers, and kudos for your great work, Black Falcon 08:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

In my opinion we should have one page on the subject rather than two (in part of the general plan to reduce the overall byzantine confusingness of Wikispace). Thus my suggestion would be to find the consensually-accepted parts of the essay and add those to the guideline, and replace the essay with a redirect. Then again that's my opinion and there are probably some different opinions out there. >Radiant< 08:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SCI

Hi there! I would really appreciate it if you amended your comment on the village pump, because it is misleading. Polls are not, and have never been, the means of creating guidelines. What's going on is a discussion, and the people in opposition need actual arguments rather than an opinion of dislike. >Radiant< 09:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanx...

...for Lentulo spiral. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 18:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: WP:ACID

Sorry, I fixed it and made it a nomination for Liquid ffm ✎talk 19:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enough

• I am griping that the WP:SCI guidelines and implication are flawed, giving a relevant AfD article as an example. This seems fare, though unpopular. --Iantresman 17:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• Correct, scientific notability is not the only notability criteria (it's not about liking it). And I see that the introduction now reflects this. --Iantresman 18:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thank you so much for unblocking me. I see no reason for blocking other users on wikipedia. Even if it is the same IP address. ♥Chocolate♥ Munch- Crunch 23:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Natural History of South Asia mailing list

I have flagged this at WP:DRV, primarily since a number of participants recommended "keep" on the basis that the article was well-referenced, and those references demonstrated notability. The references have since failed to stand up to scrutiny, and at least one of them was completely false, thus I feel the participants in the debate may have been unintentionally misled. Chris cheese whine 00:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Bikini Carwash Company

• There is a vote for deletion under way. I think you might be interested. Hektor 14:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

I understand from Yamla that you may be able to give me some info. I am an admin on Wikibooks and we have just acquired a user called Darin Fidika - anything you'd care to share (here or offline)? Realising that there were issues with Nihonjoe (according to Darin) I felt it worth approaching someone else involved, hope you don't mind - cheers --Herby ^{talk thyme} 11:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, a couple of us are watching things (& I'm CU on books so that is covered too). Regards --Herby ^{talk thyme} 15:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Response

Oh, ok thanks for letting me know. --Yummie 14:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Denajua2hotmail.com (talk • contribs)

I'll take it to WP:RFCN, but I'm curious on how this is not a obvious violation of WP:U in regards to web domain names in usernames? Cheers - RJASE1 ^Talk 01:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Peer review/Domenico Selvo

A few months ago, you helped me out in getting this article started. Now I think it is close to ready for FA nomination. If you could help me out in this peer review before I go to FAC, I would be eternally grateful. Thank you very much, JHMM13 09:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I've responded to your suggestions in this peer review. I'd like to thank you very much and I hope I have adequately addressed your concerns. As the Italians would say, sei un drago! Thanks a lot, and I eagerly anticipate your response. JHMM13 21:35, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Responded again. I've tried to move things around with the images and the quote box, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what looks good. I think the quote box is good where it is now, but that creates issues with the last image which I think is pretty important to illustrate the mosaics. The Lido painting is now on the left, but I'm unsure about how it looks considering it's right under the header. Hope you can help, JHMM13 16:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Responded and changed around the article a bunch. :-) JHMM13 20:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. You have been a huge help :-D JHMM13 22:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Here it is: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Domenico Selvo. I hope you have a chance to check it out and I will continue carefully addressing any concern you might have. Thanks again, JHMM13 23:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] March WP:FILMS Newsletter

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