Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Luna class starship (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. — JIP | Talk 11:00, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Luna class starship

This is not an offical class of starship in Star Trek and it has not appreared to my thinking in any books. The Refrence to the USS Titan is canon but however no class name has ever be introduced with it. This Article should be deleted. Aeon 23:56, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete V/M !
  00:41, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep According to the article, it was the winner of a design competition for the books and was used in the Titan books (as the main ship of the novels, commanded by Will Riker). Though I'm aware the books are not strictly considered ST canon by Paramount, they're still official, and as major publications from a major publisher are worthy of being covered anyway. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 00:50, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, appear in major publications from a major publisher. The article should clarify how canonical they are. Kappa 01:02, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Delete The published books are NOT considered canon by Paramount. There for this entry should be deleted They have made many statements saying that the books are not official or even considered canon. Also published books are not major publications. Major Publications are more like the Star Trek Encyclopedia and Companions. The Published Paperbacks and Hard Covers have never been considered a major publication as several of them have been contradicted by the TV Shows and by Official Sources. 63.207.248.188 04:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Merge non-speculative content of article with List of Starfleet ship classes --Anetode 07:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Not relevant to an encyclopaedia. Doesn't even exist in a fictional universe. --Bucephalus talk to me 10:25, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Strong merge into Star Trek Titan, with an emphasis on merging the info about the design contest. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 10:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Regardless of whether or not the class is canon (and it's not) to Star Trek, it is canon for the Star Trek: Titan series of books. The information and image provided regarding the competition are accurate and I believe at least some of the history and stats provided are confirmed in the Titan novels. The article does need to be cleansed of conjectural info and it needs to be made clear that it is not canon as far as Paramount are concerned (and as such, has no place on the ships list), but the information provided in the Titan novels and by S&S Inc. means that this article is perfectly valid given the all-encompasing nature of Wikipedia. -Hayter 15:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I am quite happy that Wikipedia includes established but non-canonical elements of major fantasy universes. [1]. Wikipedia Is Not a Place To Insist On Solely Canonical Interpretations Of Other Peoples Fantasies. The Land 19:21, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Just mention books are not established canon. They're still major publications and deserve being included. Merge if we've got the book. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:05, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Merge with Star Trek Titan, which is short enough to accomodate this; wouldn't be opposed to keeping it either. CanadianCaesar 20:54, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep or at most...merge. Paramount does not get to dictate others contributions towards the reality of a fictional univers. If this class starship is appearing in stories published, then it seems to be a notable entity. I'll let the debate about "Star Trek canon" alone.—Gaff ^ταλκ 22:48, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. It has been in books, and is therefore somewhat "official". I draw the line between published and fanfic, not between canon and non-canon. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, as per Sjakkalle. Carioca 05:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. The problem with including non-canon material is that Paramount don't make any attempt to maintain consistency with their licensees. So anything in the books can be contradicted by any canon series/movies that may appear from Paramount, or other non-canon licensees. What do we do when someone else publishes a book about starships and gives totally different information for the Luna class than the Star Trek Titan novels? AlistairMcMillan 08:00, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Note that according to the Star Trek card game, Riker's USS Titan is a completely different class. The novel publishers felt no need to maintain consistency with the card game. This isn't like the Star Wars expanded universe where the licensees do attempt to maintain consistency. AlistairMcMillan 08:09, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Acknowledge both references, and note that there are conflicts. The Pokemon articles have long acknowledged the conflicts between the games, anime, and manga, if you'd like to see an example of dealing with multiple conflicing continuities. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 09:04, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.