Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Snaps (game) (2nd nomination)

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The result was Delete. Khukri ^{(talk . contribs)} 16:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Snaps (game)

Snaps (game) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Non notable game, most of the 872 Google hits have nothing to do with the game[1]: no sources outside of the homepage apparently. Furthermore, WP:NOT a how-to guide, and if you remove those parts, there is nothing left of the article. Previous AfD ended in keep, but mostly, it seems, because it was a bad nomination by an IP address. Fram 08:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep - I've played this game many times and first learned about it from a book. The above suggested search was done with "snaps" "party game" which is a flawed method of determining whether an article should be deleted for pages related to the game may not use the word "party game" in an article relating to it. For example a page about its rules, or that it might just be described as a game. The webpage [2] is a good example where over 48 comments have been left about the game and where the game is described but the only place 'party game' appeared is the title of the company. [3] is another example. Also, the article size is comparable to Trouble (board game), Pictionary, and the majority of games listed on Party game. If you assume WP:NOT then the article is comparable to Yahtzee Hopscotch. Some encyclopedia articles will be small. I've made it a game stub which is probably the best solution over deletion. Mkdw^talk 08:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Reply: Have you seriously looked at Yahtzee? The article is not comparable at all in scope, depth, ... The Yathzee article has many sections beyond the game guide. Even the "trouble" article is a lot better, and only Pictionary is similar. But that doesn't matter, we are discussing the merits of snaps, not comparing it to other, unrelated articles which may or may not be fit for deletion or improvement. As for my search method, it was the only way I coud be reasonably sure to find relevant links. Looking for "snaps" or snaps plus game achieves nothing since they are such common words. If the "snaps" article can be mad e to resemble the Yahtzee article (minus the gameguide, and plus references preferably), then I would be very happy to withdraw this nomination and keep the article. I have seen no indication of this though... Fram 08:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
    • The article Trouble (board game) has at best 1 more paragraph in length. It's also a 1 reference article. I misreferenced the wrong game, my apologizes, I meant to link Hopscotch. Also, there is no need for sarcasm or that tone, it was a simple mistake. Mkdw^talk 09:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
      • I wasn't sarcastic, just bewildered. I notice you have added references to the article, but they are all user submitted ones, not WP:V sources, which was the same result I found with my Google search. The game exists, but doesn't seem notable, and nothing seems to be possible to say about it beyond its existence. Fram 09:13, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
  • If you learned about it from a book, then cite the book and you will address the verifiability concerns that other editors are raising. Currently you have cited three simple mirrors of this very article, an article on a self-submission web site that appears to involve no fact checking, and a web page that purports to be a copy of a Usenet posting. Uncle G 02:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - seems to be a game of very limited impact. No News articles I can find and none of the references are of the type wikipedia requires. Fails to have verifyability from reliable sources and given the low google impact appears to be insufficiently important to have enough depth to write an article on. Peripitus (Talk) 12:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• Snaps is the name of the game. Key people in the world play snaps. *snap* *snap*. *snap* *snap*. People all over the world should learn how to play snaps. Snaps is not the name of the game. --Howrealisreal 17:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
  • A bare vote without a rationale (What you have written is merely a way of encoding the word "keep".) is likely to be discounted in the face of assertions that the article is not verifiable. If you want to make an argument for keeping that holds water, then please cite sources. Sources are your only counterargument. Bare votes are not. Uncle G 02:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:V and sounds like another made up game, like The circle hand game --Brian_{(view my history)}/^{(How am I doing?)} 21:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable game that, if real, likely is a relatively new and unknown one. Also, the sources provided aren't the most reliable and there have been a number of these non-notable (and, in my opinion though not as a reason for deletion, rather stupid) games up for AfD lately. --The Way 07:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Peripitus. --Wizardman 04:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.