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Contents 1 Anon edits 2 POV 3 Sources 4 Operations 5 Bin Laden 6 Winged dagger emblem 7 500:1? 8 Training

[edit] Anon edits

Whoever it was editing from 212.238.154.110, thankyou. Especially for removal of that shrine like crap, it really needed to go.

There's still work to be done, of course, but the current revision is well and truly heading in the right direction.

--BenM 03:47, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] POV

• I think that the following statement "The Australian SAS regiment, based on, but vastly superior to the British original" should be reworded or backed up with evidence. It looks like a typical my mum's better than your mum argument (in that almost every country believe's that their military/army/special forces are the best in the world, but can never back it up). - Bambul 03:55, 10 June 2005 (UTC)

I concur. I've heard that the training is (or was originally) based on a combination of the British SAS and the Gurkha training, but what that has resulted in I've got no experience in judging. --BenM 20:10, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

Here's the closest I can find to an official site for the SASR. --BenM 21:00, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• ADF Special Forces

[edit] Operations

I've removed the following section:

The SAS were the spearhead of operations in Somalia (1994), Rwanda 1994, Cambodia, North Korea, Vietnam, Borneo, Yemen,Chechnya, Bougainville, United Arab Emirates, Laos, East Timor (1999-2000), Upper Volta, Libya, Sydney Olympics (2000), Afghanistan (2001), Northern Ireland, Barbados, Solomon Islands, and Iraq (2003 to present).

Some of these look extremely suspect to me. Northern Ireland? Barbados? Chechnya? UAE? I think these need some sources. Obviously some are genuine and need to be readded. -- Necrothesp 00:13, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

East Timor is definite and so is Cambodia (there were some interesting rescues during some turmoil there in around the early 90s or so - I recall seeing it on the news, but not the year). Laos is probably just confusion ofer the Kerry and Kay Danes espionage charges (Kerry Danes was on a leave of absence from the SASR and working as a security consultant with Lao Securicor when he and his wife were arrested). They were definitely in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan too (it was in the media). Not sure about the recent activity in the Solomon Islands, I think that might've been the 3rd RAR.

Of course, I'm going from memory here, no sources. --BenM 16:16, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Sydney Olympics, vietnam, cambodia, korea are certinaly in (isn't hard to find in google).

Of course they're genuine, but since several on the list are almost certainly spurious it seemed more sensible to remove the whole list and let someone add a sensible list. -- Necrothesp 14:54, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bin Laden

I've just removed the following statement from the 'Operations' section: "In Afghanistan, Australian SAS allegedly discovered Osama Bin Laden and called in US air support, but US fire missed their target."

As this incident seems rather unlikely to have occured (surely the Americans would have stopped at nothing to kill or capture Bin Laden if he'd been detected) it should only be reinstated if a credible source can be provided. --Nick Dowling 08:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I was there and it happened.

[edit] Winged dagger emblem

I find it a bit hard to believe that exactly the same winged dagger symbol is used for the British and Australian SAS. I would have expected some variation, for distinctiveness if nothing else. Currently, the same image, Image:Sas_badge.gif, is used for both. --Saforrest 23:16, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the image of the Australian SAS beret in the article the Australian cap badge looks identical. --Nick Dowling 23:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 500:1?

The statistic that the SASR achieved a 500:1 kill ratio in Vietnam often turns up in articles on the Regiment, but I've never seen a citation for the source of this claim (eg, the Defence or military history publication where this statistic was released). As the SASR's role in Vietnam was reconnaissance (which generally meant avoiding combat) the statistic seems rather unlikely. --Nick Dowling 07:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

As no-one has been able to provide a source for this, I've removed the claim. Could I suggest that it stay removed until it can be cited? --Nick Dowling 07:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Training

I've deleted a lot of infomation in the section on training because there was not enough citation. Goldfishsoldier 23:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Nick Dowling 09:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)