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Contents 1 Population 2 Atlantis 3 naming conventions 4 Name Origin 5 Islands/Archipelago 6 Highest Mountain? 7 Azorean Talk 8 Map? 9 (pre?) history 10 Azores: Europe, Africa, or North America? 11 Name 12 Translation of motto 13 Air Transat Incident 14 Portuguese Regional Legislative elections

[edit] Population

Surely there must be a population on these islands worth mentioning? --rmhermen

• • Yes, there is, I know plenty of them, I'll edit something about them, But they are normal Portuguese people, their most pecculiar difference is their french-like accent. --Pedro 23:56, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Atlantis

Is there remnants of Atlantis on this island? If so I think their should be a section for it is the last remaining piece of land from Atlantis.

That falls into legend or speculation. No place in WP. --maf 17:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Atlantis is still listed under "See Also". Should it be removed? I didn't see any mention of it in the text; the reason I went to the talk page was to see if there is an explanation. Perhaps there should be a sentence saying, "the Azores are believed to be the inspiration for the legend of Atlantis" (assuming that can be backed up with research) and then not have it in the "See Also".P.L.A.R. 01:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be removed. The link with the Azores and Atlantis is very weak. Not enough to list it anywhere on the Azores page. Atlantis is under Antartica!

I think we should add it because there is some people who actually believes it (IMHO makes somes sense, too). As long we state this is merely a supossition of inhabitants and others it shouldn't do any harm

[edit] naming conventions

I'm still trying to understand naming conventions: Why isn't this "Azore Islands," please? -- isis

In naming conventions, an important rule is to use the most common name. Determining this is usually easy: look at another encyclopedia, dictionary or map. Alternatively, one can enter the two terms in Google and see which pops up most frequently. In this case "Azores" gives me about 240,000 hits, "Azore Islands" only a few hundred. Jeronimo

Thanks. -- isis

I recommend http://www.googlebattle.com for that purpose. --maf 17:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

That because we in Portugal we say only "Açores", "Madeira" or somethings else, its easier. than saying "arquipélago dos Açores".... -Pedro 23:56, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Name Origin

I'm pretty sure that the portion suggesting that 'Açores' is derived from the plural of blue 'azul' (claimed to be 'azures') is completely false as the plural for blue in português is 'azuis'. If someone could back the 'azures' assertion up with some documentation that would be nice, otherwise I feel that it should be removed from the entry. Is 'azures' possibly an antiquated spelling from before the portuguese spelling conventions were redone?

[edit] Islands/Archipelago

Why not change the part which reads "The Azores are a group of Portuguese islands" to "The Azores is a Portuguese Archipelago", adding a link to wikipedia's archipelago entry?

• Hmmm? Because English speakers use the word "islands" more than archipelago. They say "Azores Islands", "Canary Islands", etc. We use more the word archipelago, but this is the English wikipedia. You can link archipelago with islands [[archipelago|islands]] . -Pedro 13:30, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Highest Mountain?

"The mountain of Pico on Pico Island at 2,351 m in altitude, is the highest in all of Portugal. The Azores are actually the tops of the tallest mountains on the planet as measured from their base at the bottom of the ocean. The islands are an autonomous region of Portugal."

I thought this honor was held by Mauna Loa / Mauna Kea on Hawaii. from University of North Dakota: "Mauna Loa is the largest volcano on Earth with an estimated volume of 9,600 cubic miles (40,000 cubic kilometers)." - it's also taller at 4,170m. --198.3.8.1 16:17, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

The article says the mountains are the tallest when measured "from their base at the bottom of the ocean", not from sea level. Are the Maunas taller using this measurement method? --maf 17:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Azorean Talk

How about a section of the azorean "dialect". The portuguese variations that the azoreans have. - M.Cartello

it is not a "dialect" its just a accent. the accent is different in each of the nine islands, the one mainland portuguese usually associate with azoreans is just in sao miguel island, the other islands have accents similar to mainland portuguese. if a section about the azorean accents would to be created, then why isnt there any sections (in their related articles) about porto accent, alentejo accent, lisbon accent, madeira accent and algarve accent? - --Cyprus2k1 09:09, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Why not include it? There is no requirement that more developed articles include this first. I don't speak portuguese, but I think a Sao Miguel (where I've been) accent/dialect would be worth mentioning. ✏ Sverdrup 15:11, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

That's why i said "portuguese variation". Okay how about a section of Azorean Portuguese aka "O Micaelense". - M.Cartello

I'm a linguistics student, and a "variation" is a dialect. Also, Azorean Portuguese does has some different lexical items and even a few syntactic differences from the standard Portuguese dialect. Calling it a dialect is completely accurate.

• Hi. Yesterday, a a TV show in a national youth cable channel an Azorean called in, and the presenter a Northern Portuguese couldnt understand the accent, and started laughing, cause he really couldnt understand almost nothing, because of the strong voice and french-like vowels. For southern Portuguese especially people from the Algarve it could be easier for them to understand, because the dialect is related. Most of the settlers where from the Algarve and surprise, the french like accent possibly comes from early French settlers. Though in the Portuguese mind, considering an accent has a dialect is already to much, even if many linguists consider a dialect and accent the same. But we can't consider the term that dialect has sometimes. Azorean is really just an odd accent, you just need to get use to it. There isnt any differenciation. IMO, this accent (from São Miguel island) is the most hard to understand from all the accents from every country that I know - at least for me. But, I have also difficulty in understanding a strong accent from Faial Island. From the rest, no, even if they all share many similarities. You should remember, there is nothing different in it, even if strong Azorean accent is not understood by some people, that doesnt mean nothing cause all the structure, lexicon, etc is the same. There are grammatical and use of different diphtongs ('ou' and 'oi'/ô) between Southern and Northern Portuguese (even if there is no difficulty in understanding), but with Azoreans I dont know any such differences. If they ease their pronunciation they would be perfectly understood - what is very common these days. Or, continental living in the Azores also have no difficulty. Though I would need Internet references to start writing (I dont know any even in Portuguese), cause these things move on with pride (I remember one with an ignorant in another article about another accent) and, for this one, I dont really have much backup. More, in any other regions even countries in wikipedia there arent references to accents. We should always remember, everyone has their own dialect, that share common features with your family, neighbours, etc. So I think that is nothing special to be mentioned, especially in a Enclyclopedia in English. In real life it is special, because it characterizes one. Yes, I'm going out with too many linguists and these are my two cents. -Pedro 01:12, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Map?

Can somebody add a map showing where the Azores are situated in the Atlantic? --Orang55 05:08, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Agreed, there must be added a bigger map. Suggestions? Shandris^{the azylean} 13:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] (pre?) history

Does anyone have anything to say about the islands before 1427? They didn't just spring out of the ocean at that point, I suspect.... -FZ 16:23, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• Are you talking about the vulcanic origin or the artifact found in the islands? There is an interesting story about pottery in the Island, some centuries ago, and I think that pottery is lost, and some people think it is related to Atlantis (me, LOL). Hugs - Pedro 01:15, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yes. In fact, I was thinking the same. It is said (as I can't confirm this ;) that the islands were already shown in pre-1427 maps and it was Prince Henry that sent explores specifically to find out what these islands were. Can anyone add to this?

[edit] Azores: Europe, Africa, or North America?

Hi! Does anyone know if, geographically, the Azores are considered a part of Europe, Africa, both, neither ... ? I realise they are of Portugal, but its proximity to Africa makes its locale 'status' uncertain. Merci! E Pluribus Anthony 12:23, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

My opinion is that the Azores is too far from Africa. I would consider Madeira a part of Africa - Mcartello

Proximity to Africa? Are you talking about Azores or Madeira? Azores are part of Europe, except Flores and Corvo, which are part of the AmericanNorth American continent (being west of Atlantic Riff).Marco Neves 20:56, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

To clarify: I suppose I meant to ask which continent do Spanish and Portuguese territorial archipelagos in the North Atlantic (Azores, Madeira, Canary Islands) belong to? :) This has been answered to my satisfaction. Abraçao! E Pluribus Anthony 01:09, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

• Madeira and Azores are considered as part of Europe. There was an issue some time ago with Madeira (because it is closer to Africa), but it is also considered part of Europe. 1) an Island isnt part of any continent 2) culturally European 3) the Azores are not in a single plate and its closer continent is Europe, 2 islands are in the American plate (Fores, Corvo). 4) this is why I dont like those templates in the bottom of the articles, and I think they should be removed, they are full of nonsence. I don't know what continent belong the Canary islands, cause these islands are really close to Africa, but that doesnt occur with the Portuguese islands. -Pedro 12:34, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your response; I'm aware of the various arguments regarding continents and their constituents: my initial question was more borne out of a desire to properly colourise the various (namely, Portuguese) island groups for the various continents (in one possible interpretation of what 'continents' are). I disagree that templates are nonsense: they may help users (esp. novice ones) to navigate and learn more about a land. Actually, perhaps a template should be added regarding tectonic plates (but I'm not proposing this)? ;) E Pluribus Anthony 16:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Why isn't this at Azores? Usually articles are located at their most common English name. For example, the article on Spain is located at Spain and not at España. NoIdeaNick 23:29, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree: was this move discussed? If not, it should be and, if necessary, reversed. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I moved the article back. If anyone has a problem with the current name, it can be discussed here. NoIdeaNick 23:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Great. If it matters any: there are 4.8 million online references to "Azores", while only one-third as many for "Açores". E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 23:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation of motto

I've just changed the translation of the motto from "peacefully subjugated" to "in peace subjugated". As it was, I interpreted it as "being put into subjugation in a peaceful manner". If I did it right, it should now mean "living subjugated under peace". I also researched subjugated vs. subdued in the Wiktionary, and subjugated seems better. If you disagree, please go ahead and discuss or, even better, edit. --maf 17:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Air Transat Incident

I'm not sure why this is there. Is it really important to add this? If so we would have to list all air incidents including a number of crashes. Should I go ahead & delete it? Minimia 00:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

NO! A sucessful deadstck (no power) landing from something like 120 km out is EXTREMLY unusual and should be left in as it might lead the interested to explore the details of the incident. You should look into it yourself as it contains some extremely dumb and some extremely astute piloting skills on the part of the cockpit crew. I found the official account of the incident as interesting as a good detective novel and I don't care that much for airplane stories.--TGC55 16:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I strongly disagree -- this is not of direct interest to the Azores itself, but rather concerns aviation, which is N O T the subject of the article. I am removing. 24.3.142.198 16:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Portuguese Regional Legislative elections

I note we have this article: Portuguese Regional Legislative election, 2000, and one for 1996; but not for 2004.

Why are none of them linked to from here? -- Mais oui! 04:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)