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[edit] Template width
Superman/Batman templates:
- Template:Batman
- Template:Batman in popular media
- Template:Batman fan films
- Template:Superman
- Template:Superman in popular media
Related template:
How wide should this template be? I set the width at 100% for greater standardization when multiple templates wind up on the same page. If we pick any other value, two templates on the same page (e.g., "Batman" and "Batman in popular media", for the rare occasions when it is appropriate to include both) will look weird with one narrow one sitting on top of the other or a wider one balanced on top of a narrow one. The wider the template is, the less tall it will be. A more narrow template scrunches upward. I've looked for an existing guideline to follow but cannot find one. If it's out there, please let me know. I don't really care if it's 100%. I like how 95% looks, but standardization is good. Doczilla 21:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- 95 or 100 is fine with me. I don't really have a preference, except that the goal, as I understood it, was to reduce length not width. - jc37 22:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- Width affects length -- physical length (and therefore the position of everything else on the page, reducing how much other text appears on the screen with the box), not content length. A wider box will reduce physical length (i.e., height, however you label that direction in two-dimensional space), leaving more room for other text to appear on the visible screen. Doczilla 22:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- I don't believe there is a standard, although it would be nice if one developed down the line. I think for this template 95% looks good, although if anyone has reasons they think it would work better another way, I'm sure we're happy to listen.D1Puck1T 00:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'm back to preferring 100%. I was just looking at how the template sits right over the category box. Doczilla 01:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
What I don't like is the vast amounts of white space. I understand the multiple template alignment issue, and almost agree with it. Maybe if we could somehow find out the minimum sizes of the templates seperately, possibly using line breaks for some of the very long film lines, we can reach some universal standard for the width without any/much white space. --Jamdav86 09:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC) The minimum sizes: {{Batman))
| Batman in popular media | |
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| Actors: | Lewis Wilson • Robert Lowery • Adam West • Olan Soule • Michael Keaton • Kevin Conroy • Val Kilmer • George Clooney • Rino Romano • Christian Bale • Casts |
| Live-action television: | Batman • Legends of the Superheroes • Birds of Prey • Return to the Batcave |
| Film: | Batman (1943) • Batman and Robin (1949) • Batman (1966) • Batman (1989) • Batman Returns • Batman Forever • Batman & Robin • Batman Begins • The Dark Knight |
| Animation: | Batman/Superman Hour • New Adventures of Batman • Batman: The Animated Series/New Batman Adventures • Mask of the Phantasm • SubZero • Batman Beyond • Return of the Joker • Mystery of the Batwoman • The Batman • The Batman vs. Dracula |
| Superman | |
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| Creators: | Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster |
| Characters: | Superman (Clark Kent) • Lois Lane • Jimmy Olsen • Perry White • Jor-El • Ma Kent • Pa Kent • Lana Lang • Steel • Supergirl • Superboy (Kon-El) • Krypto |
| Villains: | Lex Luthor • Bizarro • Brainiac • Cyborg Superman • Darkseid • Doomsday • Eradicator • General Zod • Metallo • Mongul • Mr. Mxyzptlk • Parasite • Toyman • Ultra-Humanite • Intergang • Phantom Zone villains |
| Locations: |
Daily Planet • Fortress of Solitude • Krypton • Metropolis • Smallville |
| Storylines: | Relationship of Clark Kent and Lois Lane • The Death of Superman • Alternate versions of Superman • Publications • Superman in popular culture |
| Miscellanea: | Kryptonite • Powers • Symbol |
| The Bruce Timm DC animated universe | |
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| Television series: | Batman: The Animated Series | Superman: The Animated Series | The New Batman Adventures | The New Batman/Superman Adventures | Batman Beyond | Static Shock | The Zeta Project | Justice League | Justice League Unlimited |
| Feature-length films: | Batman: Mask of the Phantasm | Batman & Mr. Freeze: SubZero | Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker | Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman |
| Comic books: | Batman Adventures | Superman Adventures | Justice League Adventures | Batman Beyond | Gotham Girls |
| Web cartoons: | Gotham Girls |
| Video Games: | DCAU Video Games |
--Jamdav86 09:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record, WP:CVG is standardizing on an 80% width for bottom-of-the-page navboxes, but that's just a spitballed number that ends up looking nice on the page. Occasionally there will be some overlap between CVG and CMC pages; 80% isn't bad as arbitrary numbers go. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 09:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- Personally, I think the goal was/is to reduce the "height" of the box as much as possible? Is there a reason that whitespace (as opposed to the page's whitespace/bluespace) is a "bad thing"? (Or am I misunderstanding?) I like how the WikiProject templates at the top of this page resize as I resize the window. Shouldn't these navboxes work the same way? - jc37 20:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Re:Jamdav above. I tried using line breaks. Someone recently pointed out the problem with those. Browser windows vary in size. Doczilla 20:44, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
You pretty much have to pick an arbitrary number and stick with it. Case-by-case sizes look ugly when you have multiple boxes, and no single number is going to look perfect in every case. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Let's go with 80%, like the Video games project. --Jamdav86 10:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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- I changed all the boxes above to 80%, so that we could see how they look. Is there a reason why the CVG project chose 80%? or was that an "out of the blue" number? - jc37 10:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I was the one who pitched the current as-of-yet-stalled proposal, and I picked 80% because it looked decent on anything from really narrow screens (PDAs, PSPs, etc.) all the way up to monster resolutions. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 10:40, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- I like 100% because it reduces height the most and fits neatly on top of the category box. If we do change to another number, include {{Timm DCAU}} in the changes. Doczilla 16:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- 100% creates problems on very large resolutions or with smaller lines. Also, 80% matches the size used by WP:CVG, for the occasional article with boxes from both projects. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 13:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Problems? Really? What kind of problems would 100% create for those things? Doczilla 07:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- 100% creates problems on very large resolutions or with smaller lines. Also, 80% matches the size used by WP:CVG, for the occasional article with boxes from both projects. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 13:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- I like 100% because it reduces height the most and fits neatly on top of the category box. If we do change to another number, include {{Timm DCAU}} in the changes. Doczilla 16:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
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- I would also very much prefer 100%. I tested it with several resolutions without problems. 100% would be the best way the reduce height and it looks also better for me than 80%. --Lasttan 19:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- And 100% would be more consistent with other templates throughout the comics project, which tend to go for 95% or 100% (Justice League, Spider-Man, Avengers, Flight Program). Doczilla 20:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- Aren't those all new templates? As we were discussing above, widths seem to be arbitrarily chosen. I think at this point we should note this discussion again on the WikiProject talk page, so that everyone can come comment, and we should just finish developing consensus for a standard width. - jc37 02:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- And 100% would be more consistent with other templates throughout the comics project, which tend to go for 95% or 100% (Justice League, Spider-Man, Avengers, Flight Program). Doczilla 20:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- I would also very much prefer 100%. I tested it with several resolutions without problems. 100% would be the best way the reduce height and it looks also better for me than 80%. --Lasttan 19:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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Sounds like the three main values under discussion are: 80%; 95%; and 100%.
What are the pros and cons of each? (and are there other values that should be discussed? - jc37 02:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- The wider it is, the shorter it is, therefore allowing more other text to fit onto the screen. At 95% or 100%, these templates will be more consistent with most other comics-related templates I have seen. When sharing a page with another template, they'll look better together. Even when not sharing with other templates, greater consistency looks more professional. I see no advantage to 80%. Doczilla 16:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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| Batman | |
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| Creators: | Bob Kane • Bill Finger • Other writers and artists |
| Supporting Characters: | Robin (Tim Drake) • Nightwing (Dick Grayson) • Batgirl • Batwoman • Alfred Pennyworth • Lucius Fox • Barbara Gordon • Commissioner Gordon • Harvey Bullock |
| Villains: | Bane • Catwoman • Clayface • Harley Quinn • Joker • Killer Croc • Mr. Freeze • Penguin • Poison Ivy • Ra's al Ghul • Red Hood (Jason Todd) • Riddler • Scarecrow • Two-Face • Other villains |
| Locations: | Arkham Asylum • Batcave • Gotham City • Wayne Enterprises • Wayne Manor |
| Miscellanea: | Batarang • Batmobile • Batsuit • Popular media • Publications • Storylines • Alternate versions of Batman |
| Batman in popular media | |
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| Actors: | Lewis Wilson • Robert Lowery • Adam West • Olan Soule • Michael Keaton • Kevin Conroy • Val Kilmer • George Clooney • Rino Romano • Christian Bale • Casts |
| Live-action television: | Batman • Legends of the Superheroes • Birds of Prey • Return to the Batcave |
| Film: | Batman (1943) • Batman and Robin (1949) • Batman (1966) • Batman (1989) • Batman Returns • Batman Forever • Batman & Robin • Batman Begins • The Dark Knight |
| Animation: | Batman/Superman Hour • New Adventures of Batman • Batman: The Animated Series/New Batman Adventures • Mask of the Phantasm • SubZero • Batman Beyond • Return of the Joker • Mystery of the Batwoman • The Batman • The Batman vs. Dracula |
As you can see, there is a blank line between template 1 and 2 but no blank line between template 2 and 3.
I thought it would be better for consistency that there is a blank between all of them or no blank line at all. I would prefer that there is no blank line.
I didn’t thought that a discussion is necessary for such a minor change but my edit was reverted without explanation so perhaps it is necessary. --Lasttan 18:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
- No other comment, so I've changed it again so you can't see a blank line any longer.
I did it because this template was the only one with a blank line. (see also all other templates of Superman and DC) --Lasttan 19:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ...Batutsi
I must agree that the Batutsi does not seem best suited to the main Batman box. Would it be possible to put it in some for of "Miscelania" section of the "Batman in popular media" template? Reading the article, a case could be made for its pop-culture relevance.D1Puck1T 06:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Why do we need Batusi in any navbox? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- Batusi certainly doesn't belong on this navbox. The article for it is well referenced and gives a good argument for it's own notability based on several cultural references, but it is intrinsically an expanded article on a piece of trivia from one specific Batman show. For those interested in reading an article on the Batusi, I imagine they can follow a link from the main Batman (TV series) article, which can be found in the popular media link of this navbox. Let's try to keep this box focused on a broad overview of the Batman character, not a collection of links to minor subjects -Markeer 16:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- I agree -- the Batusi is a very minor part of only the 60's television program, and is not notible enough for this template, nor the Batman main-article. It's place is to be linked from the Batman (TV series) article, or other dance-related articles, not the top-level Batman articles. ~CS 18:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I believe the key phrase there was "of the batttman series" (sic). This dance only relates to the series, not to the entirety of the character's history (which has spanned decades of comics, animated series and several movies). In addition adding this item creates an unattractive extra line at the bottom of the template box, which adds unnecessary length to a great many articles it's attached to. -Markeer 13:17, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Font size
How about changing the font size a bit? On my screen (1280x960 res on 19" CRT) I can hardly read the various items. What I can read rather clearly are the links to pages outside of wikipedia which are set in a different font style. I think increasing the fontsize by one or two would benefit readability. Opinions anyone? Madcynic 16:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- Just checked: Increasing the font size to 82% does the trick for me, but if no one else has that issue I wouldn't wanna be so bold as to change it... Madcynic 16:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
- No. Changing the font size would make it inconsistent with all our other DC templates, several of which often appear on the same pages. Doczilla 00:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hmmm, okay. However, that Superman template further up-site seems not to use 80%... Edit: Okay, just checked, in fact, the Superman template does use 80%, so how come it looks diferent? Madcynic 14:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- Italics make text look slightly smaller. --Jamdav86 15:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hmmm, okay. However, that Superman template further up-site seems not to use 80%... Edit: Okay, just checked, in fact, the Superman template does use 80%, so how come it looks diferent? Madcynic 14:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
- No. Changing the font size would make it inconsistent with all our other DC templates, several of which often appear on the same pages. Doczilla 00:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
