Talk:Black Sails in the Sunset

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[edit] Album Title

The album name does NOT come from the song by Elvis Costello and the Attractions. It is a coincidence that they have the same title. In fact, AFI's original idea for the album title was "Red Sails in the Sunset," but they changed it to Black at the last minute. Hotdoglives 08:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

     -why did they want to call it that?  I was always under the impression black sails in the sunset referred to the Greek myth.  What would the red signify?

[edit] Change of Style

I think something should be said about the change of style. Listening to Shut Your Mouth and Open Your Eyes, there is a rather dramatic diffrence is style. "Shut Your Mouth..." had more standard Hardcore Punk leanings, where Black Sails is more atmospheric and melancholy.

Black Sails is most certainly where AFI began to "tone it down" - I don't really have a problem with people calling this a Hardcore Punk album, but I'd put it more within the beginning of their "Punk Rock" era, rather than their "Hardcore Punk" era.

In fact, I think I'll put Punk Rock in the genre field, under Hardcore Punk. If anyone is drastically offended or strongly disagrees, they can feel free to remove it. - Enzo Dragon 08:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

When I think of punk, or any musical genre, I think of it's fore-fathers and how they sound against that backround. So for punk, the Sex Pistols, The Ramones, Buzzcocks and to a lesser degree Dead Kennedys are the early sound and look of punk-rock. Then, when hardcore began emerging we had the DC sound, Bad Brains, Minor Threat, and Black Flag. Now, Black Sails certainly doesn't sound like any Sex Pistols, Ramones, so next it's hardcore-punk, but the songs are constructed in a more melodic, sensitive way. The tempo is slower than what could be consider hardcore-punk, and while screaming is present, it's still intelligible. So, I'm having trouble associating this with "traditional" punk, and just as much with "hardcore" punk. Thoughts? FerventDove 18:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)