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[edit] Burt's Epiphany

Reynolds, on the Dinah Shore Show in the late 1970's, told a very poignant story about the one person who changed his life the most- Watson B. Duncan III- a professor at Palm Beach Jr. College. Reynolds attended FSU right after high school but was kicked out. He then came back to Palm Beach County, and enrolled in Palm Beach Jr. College. Reynolds stated that Duncan befriended him and changed his life. He then went back to FSU on a football scholarship. I had edited the article to tell this story but unfortunately someone edited it out. I would like to ask that person why.

Find a source and I'll put it back up. There is no "Palm Beach Junior College", though there is a "Palm Beach Community College". I, for one, have never heard of him getting kicked out of FSU. Also, sign your discussions with ~~~~, so we know who is saying what. Thanks. AriGold 20:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I added another comment addressing your concerns below in a new posting. I'm new at this and still learning the Wiki ways. Hokeman

[edit] Birth Place

Your articles are wrong, Burt himself says he is from Waycross, if you watch the old Dinah Shore show, he stated it clearly on there, on Carol Burnett, he stated he was born in a small town in georgia ((not to mention his birth certificate is on file in waycross, georgia.)) While it is true his parents were living in Lansing prior to his birth, they were on there way to Florida when his mother went into labor and the stopped in Waycross at the local hospital for his birth. Although he only lived in Waycross a short period of time, he was born there. Forget, newspaper articles or biographies written by other people. If you watch any of his old interviews like i stated Dinah Shore, Carol Burnett, Mike Douglas, Johnny Carson and so on he clearly staes he was born in Waycross, but did not live there. Even in the movie (Stroker Ace) he had them add to the script a line where they are announcing him as "the man from Waycross, Georgia...Stoker Ace" not to mention his connection over the years to Ossie Davis which he felt a special bond to as fellow person born on the edge of Waycross(Cogdell) and alot of his earlier film being made around Waycross, or having to do with the Okefenokee Swamp, such as the theme song to "Gator" He has never made any comments about being from michigan.Rogue_GremlinFeb 2007

Obviously, you have not consulted his autobiography. His family lived in MIchigan until he was several years old, so the story about him being born in Waycross while his family was on the way to Florida does not make any sense. -- Donald Albury 23:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Albury please provide the link to the page in his autobiography stating he WAS BORN in Lansing. If this cannot be done for any reason then there is NO valid proof over the links i provided, TY again, Oh and look down I added a few more links, and also would like to mention the word "birthplace" which is associated with where a person is born NOT a place where a childhood is spent. Not to mention a CONSENSOUS of 100% of the websites that are non-editable by users ( or that users cannot submit changes to be added)say his birthplace is Waycross.[User:Rogue_Gremlin | Rogue_Gremlin] Feb 11 2007

The part that doesn't make sense is that he lived in michigan as a child, because of all the information ever recorded, he did not, "I can tell you I lived in michigan as a child in my autobigraphy that doesn't mean I did or even if I did, that doesn't I was born there". Plus this is an exact quote from Burt about his autobiography "My autobiography is a good book, considering it was written in three days." One thing though, Birth Certificates don't lie. Speak to the man himself as I have. Tons of autobiographies are ghostwritten in which wrong information is included, my suggestion to you is, speak to him as I have or if you can't do that, get the old tapes of the shows I mentioned sit back and watch the man himself say with his own mouth were he was born, or better yet call lansing and inquire about his birth certificate, then call the ware county health department, do some REAL research most of my research on Burt came by traveling to such places long before the WWW was around. Rogue_Gremlin Feb 11 2007

Try contacting the Waycross Health Dept. and inquiring about his birth certificate. Then try Lansing's, I can tell you for a fact it is on record in Waycross. Not to mention when I met him at a taping of "Evening Shade" and asked him personally if he was from Waycross, he clarified my question by saying "I am from Jupiter, but I was born in Waycross." And by the way I would just like to let you know I am not from Waycross, but from Florida and a very avid Burt Reynolds fan so I am a neutral party to his birth but upon visitng his birthplace and paying a visit to where birth records are held there, Waycross Health Department and inquiring they indeed stated his birth records are indeed on file there, I tried to buy a copy but was told it was not possible since I was not a direct family member. To verify their process, I called them later in the week inquiring about getting a friends birth certificate so I could make a plaque for her on her birthday, I was given the same response. Oh and the only proof I have seen from you was a link to your own site or to a site that can be edited by users. try the links i provided most notably the georgia encyclopedia and take a good look at where they get their information from ""A project of the Georgia Humanities Council, in partnership with the University of Georgia Press, the University System of Georgia/GALILEO, the Office of the Governor, and the Georgia Department of Technical and Adult Education.""Rogue_GremlinFeb 8, 2007

Here we go again, more vandalism. No proof again. And from an UNREGISTERED user. Oh boy!!! Lugnut215 23:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I have several articles from the Lansing State Journal newspaper, that mention he was born here in Lansing, Michigan. Including one, when he visited Lansing in Sept. 1987. Not in Waycross, Georgia as listed before. Lugnut215, 14 January 2006

His autobiography, the NY Times and many other sources claim Waycross as his birth city. AriGold 19:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

In his autobiography "My Life" (1994) on pages 5 thru 15, it pretty clearly states he was born in Lansing, Michigan. Which is my home town. I have links to information that i've found. Some are copyrighted, so I can't post them here. AriGold, please site the date and page numbers on the NY Times article you mentioned. Lugnut215, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Times article stating, "Burt Reynolds originally hailed from Waycross, GA, where he was born on February 11". AriGold 13:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
With all due respect, this is not an article, but a biography with no sources. My guess is that Mr. Reynolds, early in his career wanted the image of a southerner, so he may have said he was born in Georgia. But his roots are in the north in Michigan. He wrote his autobiography after his mother Fern passed away in 1992, and probably got in touch with his roots again after this. Here's a link to a web page of mine of Lansing city directories that I compiled. [1] Lugnut215, 10 May 2006

- (((HIS birth certificate is on file at Ware County health Department))) Rogue_GremlinFeb 8, 2007

Don't know why his birth place keeps getting changed back to Waycross, Georgia from Lansing, Michigan. Does anyone have any real proof that Burt was born in Georgia, other than I saw on other web pages? I put listings of Lansing City Direcrories that people can verify. And below is a link to an index of mine of newspaper clippings and other stuff for more proof.[2] Lugnut215, 15 May 2006

[edit] Former Marine

List of famous U.S. Marines lists Burt Reynolds as a former Marine. Is that true? David.Monniaux 10:45, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality

The article on the adjective is at American, the article about the country is at United States. See User talk:206.201.180.226

[edit] His mother - Italian?

The IMDB seems to think so. But does anyone have a credible source? The IMDB has been viciously incorrect lately. Vulturell 22:47, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Yup, I checked a book bio and the IMDB blew it again. His mother was described as coming from a WASP family, and his father wasn't Italian either. Vulturell 06:25, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A matter of research

Watching the History Channel the other day, it stated that it was " a misconception that Burt is of Native American decendancy, reinforced by the film Indian Joe" . This is in contrast to Wikipedia.

What are the facts?

Well, I consulted a decaying, 80's book bio from my public library to find out about his supposed Italian mother. The book bio, which seemed pretty reliable and well researched, said his mother was of Anglo-Saxon stock and his father was Cherokee on his mother's (i.e. Reynolds' paternal grandmother) side. The Cherokee thing is mentioned in tons of sites all over the net, I'd imagine it is true. (Just search for something like "Burt Reynolds"+Cherokee on Google) Vulturell 23:14, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] More from the author of Burts epiphany

Palm Beach Jr. College changed its name in the 1980's to Palm Beach Community College. I think almost all of the public Junior Colleges in Florida did so at this time.

The best source is his autobiography. He talks at length about Watson B. Duncan III turning his life around and getting kicked out of FSU (the first time).

Burt describes this as the seminal moment in his life. It would be a shame to leave it out.

Also, Burt was known back then as "Buddy" Reynolds. That's significant and I didn't see it mentioned in the article. Burt has called Sally Field the "love of my life". I didn't see that mentioned either. Also Palm Beach High School was in West Palm Beach Florida (not Palm Beach) at the time Burt was a student there. Also Burt was married to Judy for 18 months not three years as the article suggests. Hokeman

If you want to use his autobio as a source, go for it. Just make sure you note it. (Funny you should mention his college nickname, I actually know people that still call him "Buddy".) And the Sally Field thing could be thrown in there if you want to. I don't get involved with the tabloid type stuff in articles. I prefer to work more on the artist's body of work or more general history. AriGold 13:52, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

PS Again, all you have to do is sign your discussions with ~~~~, you don't have to actually type it out. Just trying to help. AriGold 13:55, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

BTW, Palm Beach High School later became Palm Beach County School of the Arts, now Alexander W. Dreyfoos School of the Arts. ⇒ SWATJester ^{On Belay!} 01:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lee Corso

I've changed the reference to Burt's college roommate, Lee Corso, from "ESPN football analyst and former football coach" to "future ESPN football analyst and football coach". The original version made it sound as if Corso had already been a coach and analyst at the time they were roommates. --grummerx 01:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Protecting this article

We should consider asking that this article be protected from vandalism. Someone, an obsessive-compulsive in all probability, keeps changing his birtplace from Waycross, Georgia to Lansing, Michigan.--Hokeman 02:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Location of Palm Beach Junior College

While PBJC was in Lake Park when Reynolds dropped out of FSU, it may have moved to Lake Worth before Reynolds returned to FSU. PBJC opened on the Lake Worth campus in 1956, the same year that Reynolds returned to FSU, but I don't see dates for the two events within the year. I have seen pictures of Reynolds around that time rehearsing for a production at the Lake Worth Playhouse (a community theater). -- Donald Albury 09:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death ?

Where are the sources ?

There are no sources, it's just plain vandalism. Lugnut215 20:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Also found a Hollwood Walk of Fame card endorsed by them, made by starline, Burt's card is No. 19 on back Birthplace Waycross, Georgia cards were made in 1991 Rogue_Gremlin Feb 2007

[edit] Media Attack

I remember seeing a video of Reynolds assaulting a reporter at the debut of the remake of The longest yard, does that belong here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.61.175.83 (talk) 13:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC).

If you can find a published report from a reliable source, you can cite that. Of course, you may have to convince other editors that it is notable enough to be included, and you have to be careful not to violate our policy on biogaphies of living persons. -- Donald Albury 02:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[[3]] There is one source of info... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.61.175.83 (talk) 03:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Citing Reynold's autobiography

I have moved this conversation from my talk page to here. -- Donald Albury 04:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Reynolds stated in his autobiography that he was born in his parents' home on Donora Street. Which is the street he was born on in Waycross,Georgia. Coincidentaly there is a Donora Street in Lansing,Michigan too. He never says in his autobiography that he is BORN in Michgan, And in every interview he has ever given he clearly states in it when asked of his birthplace, that it is Waycross, Georgia. And can you provide me with links to backup what you added to his biography,PROVE your burt edit, citations needed for what you added NOT links that carry you to places where you can buy the book, but actual links to the pages (NOT to mention i have an interview where Burt says it was the best book that was be written in 3 days)and the fact that most of it was ghost written) So please provided ACTUAL citations. Rogue Gremlin 03:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Have you read Reynold's autobiography? He makes it very clear in there that his family lived in Michigan until they moved to Florida when he was about ten years old. He does not mention Waycross at all in the chapters about his youth. If Reynold's has been contradictory about where he was born, then that should be addressed in the article. -- Donald Albury 03:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

You also say his dad was drafted in 1941, his dad was 35 years old in 1941. And I suggest you use google maps or yahoo maps Donora Street is a cross street of Seminole Trail. Please provide actual links or i will be removing the vandalism. Thanks Rogue Gremlin 03:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I have cited his autobiography. That is a source published by Hyperion (publisher), which makes it a reliable source. Read Wikipedia:Vandalism#What vandalism is not before you call something "vandalism". -- Donald Albury 04:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Google Maps gives me "We could not understand the location Donora Street, Waycross, Georgia". Google Maps does list Donora Streets in Lansing, Michigan and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Searching for the intersection of Donora Street and Seminole Trail in Waycross, Georgia, Yahoo! Maps turns up the intersection of Danora Drive with Seminole Trail. Sorry, 'Danora Drive' is not the same as 'Donora Street'. -- Donald Albury 04:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

BTW, men up to 45 years old were subject to the draft in the U.S. during WWII (see Selective Service Act). -- Donald Albury 04:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

You provided links to places where the book can be bought NOT links to the ACTUAL pages in the book, therefore it is not proof. So unless you can provide them I will be removing the stuff you added that is in dispute, Thanks Rogue Gremlin 04:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I have cited page numbers. You are sadly mistaken if you think only on-line sources are allowed. -- Donald Albury 04:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

here is something you yourself wrote.....But you can't add that to Wikipedia unless you can cite a reliable published source. Please see the policy at Wikipedia:Attribution. -- Donald Albury 16:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC) SO I WILL BE REMOVING your edits until you have it where they can be verified, Thanks Rogue Gremlin 04:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention WIKI clearly states "unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately," Rogue Gremlin 04:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

ALSO If you have admin rights they should be seriously called into question for abuse of power, for your manipulation of Burts page, By removing my validated stuff, and adding your "unsouced or poorly sourced stuff" in its place.Rogue Gremlin 04:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I am an admin, and I have not used any of my admin powers in this dispute. If you still think that I have abused my admin powers, you may file a complaint at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard, but do note that the intro to that page says:

If you want to make an open informal complaint over the behaviour of an admin, you can do so here. But this is not the Wikipedia complaints department. If your problem is a content issue and does not need the attention of people with administrator access, then please follow the steps in dispute resolution. These include: mediation, requests for comment, and as a last resort requests for arbitration.

I have not removed your "validated stuff", but you have now removed material I added that was properly cited from a reliable source. -- Donald Albury 12:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request to Rogue Gremlin

Will you agree to seeking help in resolving this dispute through seeking a third opinion or informal mediation? Both parties have to agree before these options can be pursued. -- Donald Albury 12:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

As long as the comments on his birthplace being Lansing are removed and the page placed back in the neutral state i was basically placing it in. Along with fact that third person be truly neutral, and not any of your admin friends. I do not know anyone here. So i have no one show favoritism taking my side on the issue.Rogue Gremlin 20:26, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm! The dispute is about which is the neutral state for the page. If you are not willing to accept any outcome of dispute resolution that would result in the article being in any state other than your preferred version, there is no point in proceeding with this. Do you agree to seek a third opinion? Or would you prefer to seek informal mediation? As for my "admin friends", Wikipedia is a big place, and I am not acquianted with most of the admins here, let alone the non-admin editors who do the bulk of the work for third opinions and informal mediation. Moreover, any admins or other editors who have had any significant interaction with me would have to recuse themselves from mediating. -- Donald Albury 22:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

What I said was the page needs to be at a neutral state until the final outcome.Rogue Gremlin 22:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

There's been some conversation at User talk:Rogue Gremlin and my talkpage, some of which relates to the content of this article. Jkelly 22:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:BLP

Responding to an entry at the BLP noticeboard, I removed a great deal of unsourced material about the subject's personal life and finances. The referencing of the article was broken when I arrived here, so I reverted back to an earlier, properly referenced version while doing it. I have no opinion whatsoever on his place of birth, which seems to be the locus of the dispute above. Jkelly 17:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] school stuff

I updated some of the info about Burts junior and senior highschools. Let me know if you need any clarifications (I went to that school and met Burt there several times, he's a well respected figure around there.) ⇒ SWATJester ^{On Belay!} 01:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Reynolds places Central Jr. High at the "far west end" of the Palm Beach High campus. I'm having trouble picturing that, as that would put it up against Tamarind, and I don't remember old buildings along that side of the campus. It was Twin Lakes High when I moved to West Palm, and the football stadium was along Tamarind. -- Donald Albury 04:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Definitely were not old buildings near Tamarind. They stopped about halfway up what is now the Kravis garage, and essentially that was where yeah, the football area was. I'm still not 100% sure how the county decided to have two co-campus places with different schools, but whatever, point is the Central Jr./Palm Beach high/Twin Lakes/DSOA campus is essentially all the same thing. ⇒ SWATJester ^{On Belay!} 21:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how common it was, but I understand there was a Jr. High on the same campus with Atlantic High in Delray at one time. The high school eventually took over those buildings. -- Donald Albury 11:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Informal mediation

I do not see where one has been started yet.Rogue Gremlin 13:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Since you kept saying that you would not agree to informal mediation unless the article was changed back to your version first, I saw no reason to go ahead with the request for mediation. I am considering whether to go straight to an RfC. -- Donald Albury 20:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I did not say placed back to my verison, I said placed in a neutral state, which it is kind of in now.Rogue Gremlin 01:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added Material

I added back some of my referenced material (with just one of the many links) that deserves to stay along with the other stuff til dispute is taken thru mediationRogue Gremlin 13:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Comment

There is disagreement on the proper way to indicate that sources differ on where Burt Reynolds was born. Burt Reynolds has stated in several venues that he was born in Waycross, Georgia. In his autobiogaphy, My Life, Burt Reynolds does not mention Waycross, but strongly indicates that he was born in Lansing, Michigan. there are reliable published sources for both birthplaces. 20:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Everytime I have ever seen an interview he says Waycross, he even talks about that being a huge bond for him and Ossie Davis. Also the stuff you added about his dad being drafted in 1941 is total bull, if you can get access to the military records database you will see as i can that yes a Burton Reynolds did enter the Army then, BUT it was Burton M. Reynolds NOT, Burton Leon Reynolds. plus in a interview after his book was released he talked about his book being made, and that he all he did was over the course of 3 days he told all his stories into a tape recorder, and turned them in for a big paycheck, Because at that time he needed the money. The book was ghost written.68.16.11.98 17:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I have never seen anything from a reliable source indicating he was BORN in Lansing (it does NOT say he was BORN in Lansing in his autobiography), in fact until I started coming here I had never even heard that, and shortly after was when someone submited to IMdb(IMdb lets users submit changes) to have there's changed. I have been a devout follower of Burt's career for well over 30 years. One person on here included a link once saying it was in a newspaper interview with Burt saying he was from Lansing. But if you paid to join that newspapers website, It was NOT an interview with Burt, It was an interview with someone about Burt. I have almost all of Burt's interviews on VHS, He always states he was born in Waycross. In the movie "Stroker Ace" he had a line changed, to say; "The Man from Waycross, Georgia, STOKER ACE". If you call the Waycross Chamber of Commerce the will tell he was born in Waycross and is on record as such. If you call the Lansing Regional Chamber of Commerce the will tell you they heard it as a rumor but they have nothing on record. That alone should dispell the myth. not to mention, All the major encyclopedia's credit Waycross as his birthplace. I will be back to add more Rogue Gremlin 00:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

This is a source of heated debate amongst editors on Burt's page. There are a couple of seemingly reliable sources in cyberspace that list Lansing, Michigan as his birthplace, but overwhelmingly by more than a 10:1 margin Waycross, Georgia is listed as his birthplace in references. In the late 1970s, I remember seeing Burt on the Dinah Shore show talking about growing up in Palm Beach County. I distinctly remember him saying that he was born in Waycross, Georgia; and that his dad had been the police chief in Riviera Beach, Florida and prior to that was a high ranking officer in the Waycross Department. I don't remember him ever mentioning anything about living in Michigan as a youth - only Georgia and Florida. That's my two cents on the subject.--Hokeman 04:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not hiding anywhere. As I've seen lately there are more and more people who are seeing the bullyiness (for a lack of a better word). I guess in a certain person's mind I'm to blame for any edit that contradicts theirs. /// As I've tried to mention before, it's a matter of Image vs. The Truth of where Burt was born. He tells in interviews that he is from the south, which is fine. And has said he likes to reinvent himself. But there is much genealogical evidence in Lansing, Michigan, that supports that he was born there. How can someone just dismiss the scans of the Lansing newspapers as false? And that his autobiography as false too, he put his name on it, so he approved of the book, no matter if you believe he wrote it or not? Don't you think he would have or had someone else mention "Georgia" at least once in this book that has his name on it? And why in 1936, in the middle of the Great Depression, would his family move to Florida. This makes no sense. I support any third party mediation. Good Luck, Mr. Albury! Lugnut215 20:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Links to pages in encyclopedias, magazines, newspapers, TV companies, and websites that list Burt's birthplace as Waycross (Most notable first)some you have join but you can use their free trial period. Most uneditable by users or users cannot submit changes to be made.: Encyclopedia Britannica / Encarta MSN / Georgia Encyclopedia / TIME Magazine (article from Monday, Aug.21, 1972) / CNN / Chicago Sun-Times (article from Feb 7, 2007) / New York Times / State Handbook & Guide Resources / Turner Classic Movies / AMC tv / A&E tv / The Biography Channel / E! / Hollywood.com / Allmovie.com / Yahoo Movies / MSN Movies / AOL Movies / TV.com / Yahoo TV / FYE / Filmbug / Georgia Monthly / Answer.com / Fandango / Netflix / USFL Owners / eBay / Channel 4 (UK television) / Sky Movies / Tribute Entertainment Group / eNewsReference / Yahoo Shopping / Starpulse / Matchflick / website from Norway / Celebrity Wonder / Trivia Tribute / LAMP Travel Series / Infoplease.com / Palm Beach InterContinental Hotels Group Rogue Gremlin 22:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The link to that Lansing Newspaper was NOT and interview WITH Burt. It was an interview with someone else talking about Burt. Not to mention it was NOT an article conducted by the Lansing newspaper, it was an interview in a Palm Peach newspaper used on the Lansing Newspapers website. Furthermore neither of those are genealogical evidence. And like most people out there, I'm willing to bet you Burt did not have final editorial approval on his book.(Which by the way NEVER says he was BORN in Lansing. The book does not say where he was born. Also Burt never tried to re-invent himself by saying he was from Waycross, he has in every interview on TV said Waycross his only refernce to Michigan is that is where his parents where from, and when you see the man say he repeatedly he was born in Waycross, where as I know you did not she him write it. You may have read his book, but did you watch him write it? I think not, therefore I will beleive what I saw him say. Rogue Gremlin 22:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Also Lugnut I went to your website which is all wrong, all your references are to Burton Milo Reynolds which was not Burt's dad, Burt's dad was Burton Leon Reynolds and just incase you try to say there couldn't be 2. In just one random birth search on 1 site I found BURTON A REYNOLDS, BURTON C REYNOLDS, BURTON H REYNOLDS, BURTON H REYNOLDS, BURTON H REYNOLDS, BURTON K REYNOLDS, BURTON K REYNOLDS, BURTON L REYNOLDS, BURTON M REYNOLDS, & BURTON REYNOLDS 6 of them over 70 Rogue Gremlin 04:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Please note that Reynolds does not mention Waycross at all in his autobiography. He talks about his parents meeting and marrying in Lansing, about being born in his parent's house on Donora Street, about his father's parents living on the street behind them, and about returning to Lansing from Fort Leonard Wood after his father was shipped off to Europe. Burt Jr., his mother and his sister spent most of the time Burt Sr. was in Europe at his mother's grandparents' farm, but they met Burt Sr. in Lansing when he returned from the Army. The move to Florida came early the next year, and Burt Jr. describes the car ride down without making any mention of Georgia. He does say that they crossed the Smokies and took U.S. 1 down to Florida, so they presumably traveled through Waycross, but he doesn't mention anything about it. -- Donald Albury 23:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Has no one else noticed and commented on this discrepancy? Jkelly 00:17, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Outside of this talk page? I haven't seen anything. It would be nice to have some third-party commentary on it. -- Donald Albury 00:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

There is also a discrepancy as to when Burt Sr. became a police officer. Reynold's autobiography states that his father first became a police officer two or three years after they moved to Riviera Beach, Florida, and that he became the police chief when the previous chief, who had recruited Burt Sr., died. Reynolds says that his father was stoking boilers when he met Burt Jr.'s mother. He apprenticed as a toolmaker, but lost a finger in a lathe. Reynolds also says his father "dug ditches, unloaded steel, worked in the automobile factories". His first job in Florida was building houses. Burt's parents were running a lunch stand when Burt Sr. joined the Riviera Beach police department.

We have here two quite different, often contradictory, versions of Reynold's early life. As both versions come from Reynolds himself, and can be attributed to reliable sources, we are not in a position to pick one over the other. We need to cover both versions in the article. We need to do so in a neutral manner, and we need to be sure that every single statement is attributable to reliable sources.

I intend to add more material to the article from Reynold's autobiography. As this material covers his life after he started Jr. High School, there should be little controversy about it. -- Donald Albury 00:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Material copied from New Georgia Encyclopedia

I have deleted the paragraph headed "Biography" because it was a copyvio from http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.com/nge/Article.jsp?id=h-1516&hl=y, in violation of Wikipedia:Copyrights. -- Donald Albury 23:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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