Talk:Cornwall, Ontario

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Contents 1 Growing city? 2 Jack McCue 3 John Moore 4 La Citadelle

[edit] Growing city?

Where is the source that says that Cornwall is becoming a bigger city? According to Statistics Canada's Cornwall Profile, the city has a negative growth rate (ie. losing people).--FreshFruitsRule 22:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The article does not say that Cornwall is becoming a bigger city, but does say that it is becoming an increasingly multicultural city and that there is a growing immigrant population. --AletaP 14:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't it seem a bit strange to state that Cornwall is becoming a "multicultural" city and then state that a whopping 1.6% of the population are immigrants? That means 98.4% of the population is not immigrant. A little strange.

[edit] Jack McCue

Jack McCue is a former principal at St. Joseph's Catholic Secondary School in Cornwall, Ontario. This school has an incredible reputation, where the teenagers who attend here have the special privilege of not being stereotyped like most teenagers today.

This reputation is one that Jack McCue built himself. He worked every day, from being a history teacher all the way up to principal of the school. This school, with it's award-winning faculty and stellar students past and present has made a huge mark on the Cornwall community. This legacy left by Jack McCue deserves recognition, and this recognition, I ask, be merely in the form of his inclusion in the list of "notable people".

There has been a bit of a controversy over this. Please include your thoughts here.

My arguments, on top of what I typed above, are as follows:

First of all, the WP:BIO is, quote, "not Wikipedia policy (and indeed the whole concept of notability is contentious)." This statement not only suggests, but notes that this is merely a guideline and therefore may not apply in all circumstances.

Next, Jack McCue, while being a nice guy and all is much more than just a nice guy. He virtually created St. Joseph's Catholic Secondary School. I was a student of St. Joe's only last year when we hosted former Prime Minister Paul Martin. There are reasons why the PM chose our school: 1) reputation (the school is well known, making his vist an easily publicized event. This reputation is one that Mr. McCue worked hard for most of his career to build. 2) Mr. McCue retired that same year. This was also recognition of the service of a great man (educators are government employees).

Finally, a small side note... one of the ways someone can be included as a "notable person" is by the point: A large fan base, fan listing or "cult" following.... Mr. McCue has the support of thousands of people, including current students (the school has an enrollment of approximately 1000 students) former students (the number of alumni are in the approximate range of 2500-3500 students), parents as well as local politicians, lawmakers and policy makers past and present. This certainly qualifies as, at the very least, a cult following.

Thanks for you contributions everybody

Tauntobr 03:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I have some more items for consideration: Look at the following links....

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• [2]
• [3]

Tauntobr 03:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Saw this listed on WP:3O, and will give what insight I can:

1. Those links don't really provide any assertion of notability and are largely irrelevant. One is just a press release he made, the other two only really mention his name in passing.
2. You are misquoting WP:BIO's point about "cult following". That is a criterion for "actors and entertainment personalities", not local officials. Simply having the support of a unciteable number of people doesn't make one notable- otherwise, every little politician who got 1000 votes or so could try to claim notability.
3. Just being a principal at a school, even if it's a fairly reputable one that he has tried to improve (honestly, what principal *doesn't* try to improve their school?), doesn't seem to be enough; nor does being a "nice guy". Can you provide any sources that state what you are asserting, re: his efforts to improve the school? Like I said, the three links you provided make no such claim as far as I can tell.

Ultimately, I would suggest to try making an article about him. If you can make a solid, self-standing (and most importantly, neutral) article about the man, and it survives any deletion process, then I'd say he's notable enough to mention here (and elsewhere, such as in the article for your school, which already has a redlink to an article about him). Based on what I'm seeing, he just doesn't appear to be any more notable than the headmaster at my high school- and he doesn't have an article either. Cheers! --DarthBinky 04:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight. I understand your points; they are extremely reasonable. Therefore, I will settle this dispute for now and concede that Mr. McCue does not need to be mentioned on the Cornwall page. I am satisfied with him being mentioned on the article for my high school. Thanks again! Tauntobr 05:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Moore

Someone keeps adding "John Moore, Electrician" to the notable people list. A number of editors (including me) have removed it a number of times over the last couple of days, but it gets readded. Will the person responsible please outline their reasons for including this name? The wikilink simply lists the assorted articles (and there are many) for people named John Moore. Blotto adrift 18:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'd be very surprised if you actually got a real answer to this; the anon vandals and the add-myself-for-shits-and-giggles types rarely if ever acknowledge talk page discussions, in my experience. Bearcat 04:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Appears to me that the user adding is John Moore the electrician. I've warned both you and him for 3RR at this point. --Wildnox(talk) 04:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

My apologies, will desist. Blotto adrift 04:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to attempt to avoid getting too involved in this. I've request semi-protection on both articles to hopefully stop this user from using his non-static IP to force his name.--Wildnox(talk) 04:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] La Citadelle

Yes, St Joes and CCVS are great schools, but we must not forget the contributions made by l'École seconddaire catholique La Citadelle. In this English world, this school is a beacon for families and communities who still want the opportunity to have a French education. Created in the 1970s, during the time when the population of Ontario were demanding a better French educational system, La Citadelle has played a major role in the development and sustainability of the French community of Cornwall. Offering great proffessional, academic and trades programs, La Citadelle has evolved into a leader in education in the area. The annual play, Le Citashow, attracts many hundreds of people to the Aultsville Hall. Usually written by the school principal, M. Pierre Morin, the show includes hundreds of students, eager to participate in the creative process. I hope in the future we won't do the same mistake as to forget an essential dimension of this city, this dimension who represent more than 30% of the population.

Jomo11 04:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I do agree the Francophone population in Cornwall has always been important to the community, however the population of Francophones in Cornwall is roughly 25.9% (according to Stats Canada), not the "more than 30% of the population" as you have stated. Still, I think it is appropriate to edit the article with information on all schools in Cornwall, not just focussed on the Anglophones. Kantus Julii 10:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)