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Gh in Ghiray is used for pronounciation only, so it's not pronounced as g in gibberish. The first sound is g as in get. The general spelling in Turkic languages is Giray, without the h after G. --Gene s 12:04, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This is basic knowledge to anyone with the slightest knowlegde of any Turkic language and does not belong here. 195.175.37.70 01:14, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That's precisely why this comment is useful -- very few people have even slightest knowledge of any Turkic language.

1 Sources
2 Great Soviet Encyclopedia
3 Crimean Khanate invasions of Russia and Poland(Ukraine) (source:Vasily_Klyuchevsky, "The course of Russian History", vol.2)
4 Khanate or Khaganate
5 Painting

[edit] Sources

151.203.119.15, you seem to imply that Great Soviet Encyclopedia does not meet your criteria of a reputable source. Please list what in your opinion would make a source reputable. Please list sources which meet such criteria of yours.

Please DO NOT remove article attribution. The article indeed incorporates text from public domain GSE. Do you doubt that the article incorporates it? If not, your removal of the notice is borderline vandalism. 151.203.119.15 wrote:

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--Gene s 07:48, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

A reputable source is "The Crimean Tatars: Studies of the Nationalities in the U.S.S.R.: Number 166" by Alan W. Fisher. Written by a serious historian, with no conflict of interest on the subject matter. It is not open source, but it is available on most bookstores, Amazon for example. Would be useful to scrutinize the contents of GSE. 68.160.186.38 10:20, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

What portions of text in this article have been copied from the so-called Great Soviet Encyclopedia ? 151.203.121.120 13:37, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Great Soviet Encyclopedia

Gene_S, you say "07:51, 2 Jan 2005 Gene s (The source is Great Soviet Encyclopedia, whitten by professional historians.)" Why do you think GSE is a source of reliable and neutral information about the Crimean Khanate? 68.160.154.221 17:46, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I made a statement "The source is Great Soviet Encyclopedia, whitten by professional historians". Do you have any doubt that it was written by professional historians? Please don't mislabel your own ideas as mine. This is not my duty to defend the neutrality or reliability of the GSE. The information in the article is properly attributed with respect to the source, that's enough. If you have any other source of information, please add it to the article also attributing it properly. See WP:NPOV for guidance. --Gene s 07:48, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

If you are unwilling or unable to "defend the neutrality or reliability of the GSE" what is the point in copying such text in here?

Please practice what you preach and clearly mark the portions of the text you copied from GSE.

Please read Wikipedia:Civility

Please sign your writing by typing four tildas like this: ~~~~. --Gene s 10:03, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Gene s, are you planning to address the concerns raised about GSE? Don't worry, I am assuming good faith. 68.160.186.38 10:12, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I am not worried. I am simply pointing out that you are not acting in a civil way.

I am not interested in a discussion of the possible bias of the GSE here because there is an article Great Soviet Encyclopedia where the bias is mentioned. If you disagree with some specific claims made in this article, please produce your own source and add the alternative POV, also attributing it properly. See WP:NPOV for guidance.

Do you have any specific objections regarding the article content? --Gene s 10:23, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Crimean Khanate invasions of Russia and Poland(Ukraine) (source:Vasily_Klyuchevsky, "The course of Russian History", vol.2)

The Crimean Khanate was known for frequent devastating raids into Ukraine and Russia. For a long time, until the early 18th century The Crimean Khanate maintained massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East. One of the most known and important trading ports and slave markets was Kefe. A constant threat from The Crimean Khanate supported the appearance of cossackdom. Crimean tatars owning tactics of attacks in perfection, choosed a way on watersheds. The main way to Moscow was Muravski shliach, gone from crimean Perekop up to Tula between the rivers of two basins, Dnieper and Northern Donets. Having gone deep in the populated area on 100-200 kilometers, Tatars turned back and, having unwrapped wide wings, looted and captured slaves. Annually Moscow mobilized in the spring up to 65 thousand soldiers for boundary service. The defensive lines were applied, consisting of a circuit of fortresses and towns. Cossacks and young noblemen were in structure of sentry and patrol services that observed crimean tatars in steppe. To protect of invasions of The Crimean Khanate the Russian cities of Orel in 1566 and Voronezh in 1586 have been founded. ps. Dear author Black Sea, do not privatize this article and do not transform real history of Crimean khanate into false propagation. The Crimean Khanate was the aggressive state. Ben-Velvel 00:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the right place for such language. If you are in doubt, check this article NPOV. BlackSea 15:40, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Khanate or Khaganate

Would the Crimean Khaganate be a better name? Just asking. --Irpen 01:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Khaganate is a name used for older Turkic states. I haven't seen any texts using this in the Crimean Tatar context. [[BlackSea 15:42, 5 January 2006 (UTC)]]
- The difference between Khan and Khagan is explained here: Khagan. The confusion arises because modern Mongolian has dropped the "ɣ" of Classical Mongolian "Khaɣan" making it "Khaan" which is translated the same as Khan in English. LuiKhuntek 09:27, 7 January 2006 (UTC)