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[edit] Raven vs. Crow
Someone who's an expert on this should consider combining the Raven article with the Crow article, which both look to be quite similar and have a lot of overlap. Or that someone should explain what the difference is and why the pages are separate.
The explanation of that is in the article. Quote: "Raven is the common name given to several large black birds of the genus Corvus. Other birds in the same genus are the smaller crows, jackdaws, and rooks." Or: Raven = large Corvus, Crow = small corvus 88.73.5.50 23:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Crow Hunting
Are there any states in the US anybody knows of that it is illegal to hunt crows?
[edit] Picture = not so good?
I hope this doesn't disrupt any ongoing crazy theological argument... but I must say-- we can do better than the current crow pic, right? How about a nice, hi-res photo? I might have one or two available... but would rather give a resident wiki-head the chance to find something first. Consider it a heartfelt request from an honest, regular *reader* of the 'pedia. This is a major article on a very notable bird. As such, a passable, mediocre illustration just doesn't cut the mustard. I beg that YOU find a pic worthy of this important article! I know you all are up to it-- make me proud! (wipes tear from cheek) 66.222.50.71 05:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
"Crows have been noted to have some type of funeral, and ravens often score very highly on intelligence tests.
Does the word "funeral" in this sentence|Dan Koehl]] 09:58 Dec 18, 2002 (UTC)
Dan Bird families are often described as singular. Although Crow is often used in common parlance for a species, all forms have a more correct name, such as carrion crow or American crow.jimfbleak 07:12 Mar 15, 2003 (UTC)
is quoted “There are many endemic Corvida birds on the Indonesian island of Lombok but very few on Bali, the next island to the west ... sure enough, the line separating the Asian plate from the Australasian plate runs between Bali and Lombok." ERicson suggests a Gondwanaland origin of the Passerines: http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1034/j.1600-048X.2003.03121.x/full/ and says some interesting things about the corvids also. Scot Mcphee 20 Oct 200417:50 (AEST).
I changed the Crow page into a I felt this was both fair and NPoV as it does not form an opinion on either work (like one being inspired from the other) but rather says that they where inspired from the same origin which is vague enough to mean anything the user reading wants it to mean. Likewise I am unsure of your reason for reverting my edit... was my revised changed incorrect, of biased point of view or offensive? I look forward to your reply on this matter. --Zikar 13:30, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
- "A few billion others" is a grave overstatement. It's doubtful that there's even one billion people in the world who believe that the events in Genesis actually occured, especially when you consider that creationism (the belief in the literal, rather than spiritual or allegorical truthfulness ofso of Genesis had evolved from some form of Chaldean mythology, if not specifically Sumerian mythology. --Corvun 22:28, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
knowledge of history and science makes a literal interpretation of the Genesis stories unfeasible and at odds with the well-known and established history of the planet Earth; which is why only creationists, a small and mostly American subset of fundamentalist Abrahamic religion limited almost entirely to the charismatic and evangelical branches of Protestant Christianity, still hold such views. I intend no disrespect, but going around censoring Wikipedia to keep from offending any possible members of a fringe belief isn't what NPOV is about. It's not NPOV to alter references of Chaldean mythology to be less offensive to you and what you believe your religion has to say about history; just like you don't see me altering pages that mention Proto-Indo-European religion to make them friendlier to my religion's claims about history, for exactly that reason. --Corvun 07:00, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
, we have chosen, chosen to believe certain things that aren't supported by historical evidence. We've done this as a matter of faith, which I'm sure you'll agree is a very important thing to have. But as much as we edit can surly allow both ‘’our’’ parties to be happy, unless you specifically wish to discredit the bible. I haven’t checked the page on Noah’s Arc. However, if that article is to be NPoV then it would have to supply and comment on both criticisms and support for Noah being fact or fiction showing both side fairly letting the reader decide for themselves. Being that this is a completely unrelated article I feel it should support neither view but instead point to articles where readers can make up their own minds.
Finally… Please just answer me these questions, don’t go any deeper than the words used.
Do my edits detract from this article about Crows?
Do my edits contain incorrect or bias UTC)
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- I’m not offended, I just felt like you where avoiding the point. Now where are getting somewhere.
- I’m afraid to suggest that Noah’s Arc was inspired by Gilgamesh is a CPoV as you put it… there is no evidence to suggest that Noah’s Arc was inspired by Gilgamesh except for the similarities in content other than the fact that Gilgamesh was written before, although, this would be expected since Genesis was written centauries after the fact through a man by God… since this cannot be disproved any more than it can be proved, a NPoV would stand in the middle ground supporting or criticising neither idea. Since you seem I didn’t feel like being subtle as you obviously have your own point of view that belief in the bible is limited to a few thousand people and that it is not fact and thus should always be represented as such… obviously the only way to reach any sort of agreement is to remove people will listen, and are willing to resort to intentional dishonesty and (poor) attempts at deceit to do so. I find it inconceivable that you would actually believe that "billions of people" believe in exactly the same things you do just because you belong to some tiny little sect of a much larger religion, and am now, by your latest statements, forced to believe go about it. --Corvun 07:13, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
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- I tried to reason with you... My edits ARE of neutral point of view... denying that means you either fail to understand English or are just someone who is trolling and wishes to add as many anti-bible statements as possible to post to try and spread your personal view of the universe. I'm fed up of this pathetic and pointless argument with someone who cares more about their own pride, personal opinion and hatred for the bible rather than the integrity, logic and NPoV of this article. I am totally dumbfounded as to how you can believe my edits are anything other than to keep it NPoV. I've tried to remain civil, calm and logical but unfortunately it seems that you cannot understand logic beyond “It's not what I've written therefore it must be bad”. As for saying I'm trying to gave yourself away. Ha, ha, very funny. I'm not going to let you keep baiting me. I know you're just trying to start trouble. I'm not falling for it again. --Corvun 10:31, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
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information request:
getting back to a previously mentioned idea: what exactly would a crow "funeral" consist of? if the rites differ from group to group, is there a general "shape" to a crow funeral/mourning patterns? what kinds of things could one expect a crow to do after discovering the death of another crow in its social group? does the pattern differ when mourning a mate?
i am also curious to know more about these kinds of social groupings -- what IS a crow social group, how does it function, how large might it be, etc. i understand this will differ species to species, but are there some general observations that can be made?
- jonathan ball, 5 nov 2005
The part about Neopagan beliefs regarding crows being black is idiotic, especially given the fact that not all crows are all-black, and American crows, which appear black, are actually dark brown, and ravens have a dark blue sheen to them. Peasily 10:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Corvus americanus?
I grew up hearing the name Corvus americanus for the American Crow; Audubon, for example, used this name. [1]
Anyone know if this was formerly the name of Corvus brachyrhynchos; if it referred to a different (or multiple) species; or if the name was never an official name for any species? In any of these cases it seems a note in the article (something along the lines of "syn/formerly C. americanus") would be helpful, but I'll leave that to those more knowledgable in this area. - Severinus 21:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] calls section
I think a big project would be to take out some of the books listed on the crows.net bibliography and provide specific references for a lot of these assertions (and others in other sections on the site). I think we really do need a section on the vocalizations though...it's one of the most interesting (and prominent) aspects of crows. So...please do look over what I wrote, feel free to butcher it if need be, although I think we definitely need to have more discussion of the sounds that crows make (the word caw wasn't even mentioned on the page!). Cazort 00:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Half Life2?
How does this get a mention when it is not even referring to crows but ravens? I think it should be deleted and/or replaced with a reference to the movie The Crow which would portray a better example of crows as a positive in media.
[edit] <CURSES>
um, they don't look loke that any longer at least not in the Bullhead City / Laughlin area; have I told you about myself? damian the tamer, lifter of curses? the pale horse man... an Italian/Celt (=Irish) American male, born in The Year of the Horse, 1966.
reference: "Don't Tell Me"... "take the black of a crow, but don't tell me I have to go" -Madonna
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hungupm.jpeg "... plastic surgery can't do that shit." -damianclinton
[edit] Age
What is their average life expectancy? should that perhaps be added?
[edit] Diet?
What do crows eat? (seeds, insects, road kill?) RJFJR 14:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Native American Mythology
The paragraph under "Mythology and Folklore" about Native American mythology is misleading and possibly incorrect. It asserts that corvidae are sinister and negative animals in this culture's folklore. While the figure Kwakwakalanooksiwae is indeed a cannibalistic villain, the portrait of crows and ravens is often benign. The more common Raven is alternatively portrayed as a creator-god, a fertility god, a Promethean saviour, and a comical trickster. While Raven's motive is often mischievious, the result is usually benficient to humans. I will not, however, change the paragraph unless more in the community agree with the modification. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Squids We B (talk • contribs) 18:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Scavengers
Is it alright to call some crow species as scavengers? __earth (Talk) 14:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I have problems with the statement "In modern films such as Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, The Omen II and Exorcist: The Beginning, crows are shown tearing out people's eyes while they are still alive. This, of course, does not happen as crows can distinguish between carrion and living people." while crows can of course distinguish between carrion and living people, American Crows have been shown to attack and eat from living livestock (Kilham, 1989) and i see no evidence that they would not do the same to a weak or young human. I suggest revision. --Plcoffey 23:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Anyone have a problem with me changing this?--Plcoffey 00:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
