User talk:Dauster

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[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello, Dauster, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Karmafist 23:33, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome and thank you

Hi Bill: Welcome and thank you for your work with the Parsha pages, they needed help and you are doing it! Would you mind keeping track of Portal:Judaism and changing each week's Prasha in it? Also please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism that you could join. Be well. IZAK 11:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parshiot templates

Hi Bill, I just came across this at User:Jnothman/Parshiot templates and I thought it may be of some help to you. Best wishes, IZAK 13:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Succession boxes

Hello Mr. Dauster,

First, I would like to thank you for the excellent work you have been doing by adding all of the parshiyot. However, I noticed that you placed the succession boxes at the top of the articles "to avoid conflict with category box". This is not the Wikipedia convention where the succession boxes are at the bottom of the articles. I have moved them back to the bottom for you.

Thanks again, YUL89YYZ 13:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vote for deletion

You may be interested in this vote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/A_wife_confused_for_a_sister. Yoninah 22:39, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pointers for the Parsha

Hi Dauster: Thank you for your regular, reliable, outstanding and meticulous work with keeping the Parsha segment in Portal:Judaism updated each week! I have noticed some small recurring issues, that I keep on "correcting", and that I wanted to bring to your attention and hopefully it will assist you and ensure the continued high quality of your edits.

Firstly, Wikipedia technology does not require you to type in two complete words for many disambigs, as say when you want to type "Israelites" or "Jews" it is not necessary to type [[Israelite|Israelites]] or [[Jew|Jews]] because the correct way to do it is to just add the final letter/s after the final "]]" --> like so: [[Israelite]]s and [[Jew]]s which give you Israelites and Jews.
Secondly, when typing in the word "God" please avoid linking it to "plain" [[God]] as that link does not lead to the God of the Torah, Jews and Judaism, but rather to all other types of "Gods" as well. Rather, please try to use the following disambig method, especially when writing about anything to do with the Parsha and Judaism's God: [[Names of God in Judaism|God]] which also reads as God and will direct the reader to Judaic notions of God rather than taking them away from it. I am sure that the importance of this is self-evident and does not need further elaboration.
Finally, the summary of the Parsha in Portal:Judaism's Parsha section should not be in italics, but in regular font. Italics is almost always used when quoting from other books or sources, to show that the words are from another source, which is not the case in this instance since it's just a brief summary of the Parsha and not a "quote" from anywhere.

I hope that you will find these pointers of help as you continue your very helpful efforts with the project. If I notice anything else I will try to alert you to it in the future. Feel free to contact me at any time. Best wishes and thanks again! Shabbat Shalom, IZAK 06:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bible verses and chapters on Wikipedia

Hi Bill: Shavua Tov ! It is important that you see the following proposed Wikipedia policy pages and their discussion pages at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Verses of 1 Kings 4 and 5 AND Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Whole bible chapter text. Thanks for giving this matter your serious attention before discussion is closed and the "policy" is set. IZAK 09:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bible verse

Good work on the Parsha summaries. I noticed that you directly link verse to machon mamre. There is a very good template Template:bibleverse that will do that for you. Also, if in the future machon mamre shuts down, or changes it system, having a centralized template allows all the links to be changed easily (instead of tracking down hundreds of links). Have a good shabbos. Jon513 09:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism

Dear Dauster! I have created Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism. Please put it on your watchlist, and please add relevant AfD's as you find them. Cheers. - CrazyRussian talk/email 19:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Torah portion}}

Hi Bill: See the following at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Template: Torah portion, it touches upon your "weekly work". Best wishes, IZAK 09:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi everyone:

User:msh210 has disagreed with me (see User talk:IZAK#Maftir) about placing {{Torah portion}} on each of the following articles. He has placed the following basic objection on each page: "What is {{Torah portion}} doing on this page? Completelt irrelevant.—msh210℠ 19:06, 2 July 2006 (UTC)."

In response I am centralizing the discussions here. I am also providing the full text of my first response on each article's talk page here, listed as point "Reason/s (1)" for each article, the other three reasons were the same on/for all the articles: That: (2) The template {{Torah portion}} is at the bottom of the Maftir article's page, so essentially it's part of the "See also" section which is a legitimate way of connecting related and connected topics on an article. (3) If a reader finds the {{Torah portion}} to be "too intrusive" then any reader is free to click "Hide" on the top right section of the template's heading which shrinks it to an unobtrusive one liner. Finally, (4) the {{Torah portion}} is presently diligently updated weekly by User:Dauster early each Sunday so that any readers may learn more about the weekly Parsha. User:Dauster summarizes each week's Parsha and adds some interesting graphics which surely adds life and color to a page that may gain the attention of readers who don't know much about this subject and may want to learn more. Please refer all further comments and discussions to one centralized location at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Template: Torah portion Thank you. IZAK 08:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Maftir (see Talk:Maftir)
- Reason/s: (1) The Maftir and the weekly Torah reading of the Parsha (Torah portion) are both part of the services on Shabbat, and the Maftir is the last part of each Shabbat's Torah reading.
List of Jewish prayers and blessings (see Talk:List of Jewish prayers and blessings)
- Reason/s: (1) List of Jewish prayers and blessings and the weekly Torah reading of the Parsha (Torah portion) are all part of the weekly Torah readings on Monday and Thursday morning Shacharit services, as well as during the services on Shabbat.
Cantillation (see Talk:Cantillation)
- Reason/s: (1) Cantillation is the unique way the weekly Torah reading of the Parsha (Torah portion) is "read/sung" in synagogue on Mondays and Wednesdays during Shacharit services, and notably in the services on Shabbat.
Haftarah (see Talk:Haftarah)
- Reason/s: (1) The Haftarah and the weekly Torah reading of the Parsha (Torah portion) are both part of the services on Shabbat. The Haftarah comes after the Maftir as the last part of each Shabbat's Torah reading. (2) The ancient Jewish sages who created the system of reading the Haftarah with the weekly Torah portion chose sections from Tanakh for the Haftarah to match a major a major theme in each week's Parsha, so that the Parsha and Hafatarah are intrinsically connected.
Tikkun (book) (see Talk:Tikkun (book))
- Reason/s: (1) The Tikkun (book) is the unique "book" that is used to prepare for the cantillation of the weekly Torah reading of the Parsha (Torah portion) on Shabbat in synagogue. It is the "tool" that a ba'al koreh ("Torah reader") uses to familiarize himself with that week's Torah portion.
Sefer Torah (see Talk:Sefer Torah)
- Reason/s: (1) The Sefer Torah is divided into 54 portions, known as Parshas (parshiyot) and each week's Torah reading of a Parsha (Torah portion) is read directly from a Sefer Torah scroll in synagogue on Shabbat, as well as on Monday and Thursday mornings.
Humash (see Talk:Humash)
- Reason/s: (1) Humash is the Hebrew name for the Pentateuch. The Humash refers to a "Hebrew Pentateuch". A Humash is almost always divided not only by verses and chapters (which is of non-Jewish origins) but by the 54 Parshas (parshiyot) which is the tradition of Judaism. The Humash thus contains each week's Torah reading of the weekly Parsha (Torah portion) read as part of the services on Shabbat, and the Monday and Thursday Torah readings.
Torah study (see Talk:Torah study)
- Reason/s: (1) The most basic and universal Torah study that is done by Jews worldwide on all days is to study, attend classes about, and listen to sermons derived directly from that week's Torah reading (in synagogues on Shabbat) based on the weekly Parsha (Torah portion) as stated in this article itself in a few places, even quoting a source for the principle: "It is the duty of everyone to read the entire weekly portion twice (the law of shnayim mikra ve-echad targum, Tractate Berakhot 8a).
B'nai Mitzvah (see Talk:B'nai Mitzvah)
- Reasons/s: (1) The high-point of any B'nai Mitzvah religious "right of passage" celebration to Jewish adulthood is for the child to study to chant sections of, or the entire, Torah reading from that week's Parsha (Torah portion) read in synagogue on the Shabbat closest to their 13th birthday. Indeed, the date and time of one's Bar Mitzvah celebration on Shabbat is always derived from the weekly Torah portion (Parsha) on which the Bar Mitzvah will be celebrated. Question: "When is/was your Bar Mitzvah?" Answer: "On parshas XYZ."

The following were not mentioned by User:msh210 on User talk:IZAK, but should be included here to show their relevance:

Jewish services (see Talk:Jewish services)
- Reason/s: (1) The central focus of Jewish services on every Shabbat in synagogue as well as on Monday and Thursday mornings at Shacharit services is the Torah reading of that week's Parsha (Torah portion).
Shabbat (see Talk:Shabbat)
- Reason/s: (1) The central part of Jewish services on Shabbat in synagogue is the cantillation of the Torah reading for that week's Parsha (Torah portion) and it is also usually the basis of the rabbi's sermon and the source of classes and lectures during the week. Bar Mitzvah celebrations often involve the reading of the weekly Torah portion on Shabbat in synagogue by the Bar Mitzvah boy (or girl in non-Orthodox settings).
Torah reading (see Talk:Torah reading)
- Reason/s: (1) The weekly Torah reading on Shabbat and on Monday and Thursday mornings in all synagogues is based on that week's Parsha (Torah portion).
Parsha (see Talk:Parsha)
- Reason/s: (1) The weekly Parsha (Torah portion) is the main Torah reading in all synagogues every Shabbat as well as on Monday and Thursday mornings.

[edit] Just Thank You

Thanks for the Parsha summaries. It seems like a lot of work. Good job. Onethang 03:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WoW!!

You have done an unbelievable job assembling summaries, pictures, links, and commentaries of each parasha. I am so happy that Wikipedia became an avenue to spread valuable teachings of Torah. Keep up the good work!David Betesh

[edit] Your edit to Genesis

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[edit] Your contact info

Hi Bill: You have not enabled your Wikipedia Email feature in your "tool box" on the left hand side of your user page. Sometimes editors overlook that when it's a useful way of staying in touch with other editors. Best wishes. Great work with all the Parshah articles, I am sure that you must have learned tons! Shabbat Shalom. IZAK 14:11, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Noahide Laws cleanup

Hi, I was hoping we could collaborate on cleaning splitting and writing up more articles related to 7mBn. I've tagged Noahide laws for a cleanup. I'm not rushing in, I've read them all up, I'm waiting for the readiness of a few others so we can take this on together, and have it featured on the main page sometime. Its possible, there are quite a few of us and will potentialy be a subject of interest. Again, I'm one for words and think the parent article should be Seven Laws of Noach, as in 'Sheva Mitzvas Bnei Noach'. Anything that is should be another 'ism'. Chavatshimshon 01:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Chavat: Do not change that title, it is the accepted English name for it (why is it that you have this great urge to change the titles of long-establishe Wikipedia articles?) Not everything has to be a direct translation or transliteration from Hebrew. Many Judaic and Hebraic topics do and should retain their English titles. Please contact the following to help you: User:Noahlaws; User:Jon513; User:Dauster; User:HKT; User:PinchasC; User:Shirahadasha; User:Shuki; User:TShilo12, they all have knowledge of Jewish Law and experience as Wikipedians and may be interested in working on this with you. Sincerely, IZAK 21:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi, please join in the discussion on the Noahide Laws talk page about cleaning it up etc. Thanks! Chavatshimshon 08:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Palestinian rabbis

What does one make of the new Category:Palestinian rabbis and Category:Talmud rabbis in Palestine, should they be renamed to something like Category:Rabbis of ancient Palestine? so that it does not connect, and become confused with, the way the word "Palestinian" is used today (meaning the very unJewish modern Arab Palestinians, who have nothing to do with these rabbis!) Thanks. IZAK 09:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi: I have created a solution: See Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel and Category:Talmud rabbis of the Land of Israel. Thank you. IZAK 14:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis to avoid confusion

Note: Many articles about the rabbis of the Talmud and Mishnah are derived from the archaic Jewish Encyclopedia, published between 1901-1906, over one hundred years ago (when the Middle East was still under the thumb of the Ottoman Turks) and which used the archaic expressions "Palestine" when referring to the Land of Israel, and to the Jews living in the areas of the historical Land of Israel as "Palestinians." This is a big mistake that requires constant attention and correction, especially when copying and editing articles from the Jewish Encyclopedia or from similarly archaic sources such as Easton's Bible Dictionary (1897). At this time, no-one uses the term/s "Palestinian/s" (in relation to anything associated with Jews or the land they lived in and which they regarded as their homeland) nor by any type of conventional Jewish scholarship, particularly at the present time when the label "Palestinian" is almost entirely identified with the Palestinian Arabs who are mostly Muslims. Finally, kindly take note that the name Palestinian Talmud is also not used and it redirects to the conventional term Jerusalem Talmud used in Jewish scholarship. Thank you. IZAK 13:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not using "Palestine" or "Palestinian" for Talmud and rabbis

Makes sense, I'll try to remember. However, there was a period when everyone referred to the land of Israel as Palestine. Therefore, to say something like "in 1940 Shlomo Pines emigrated to Israel" would appear to be an anachronism. Don't we have to use the term "Palestine" during a certain period for historical accuracy? What is this period? From Roman conquest until 1948? Thanks. Dfass 15:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dfass: Note: The term "Land of Israel" is an old one of Biblical origin, whereas the name "Palestine" is considered offensive by many Jews because it was coined by the Romans after they crushed the Jews of Judea-- and needless to say today it refers exclusively to the Arab Palestinians and never to Jews. Note also that the "Land of Israel" article is not the same as the "Israel" article because the latter refers to the modern post-1948 Jewish state. My main concern was about rabbis from the Mishnaic and Talmudic eras, up until about a hundred years ago being called "Palestinians" on Wikipedia as a follow-through from the many articles that have been copied and pasted from the old Jewish Encyclopedia and which collectively create the wrong impression. Such are the hazards of relying on dated information, long-discarded terminology, and unsuitable writing and communication styles. Wikipedia as a modern encyclopedia should not be relying on archaic terms such as "Palestinian rabbis" that could potentially cause grave misunderstanding. I think that from the time of the British Mandate of Palestine, also shortened to "the British Mandate" and sometimes "Palestine," that Jews were associated with those terms from 1923 until 1948 when the modern State of Israel was declared. I hope that you have noted that I am most definitely NOT saying that whenever the Jewish Encyclopedia uses the term "Palestine" that the single word "Israel" should be used -- obviously I do not mean that because when Israel is used alone on Wikipedia it refers to the MODERN State of Israel only. On the other hand, what I am saying is that when the word "Palestine" is used in archaic sources that predate modern Israel, and when writing about Judaic topics that relate to the Middle Ages, Talmudic, or Biblical times, then the better, more accurate, less controversial term for Wikipedia to use is "Land of Israel" which is historically what the Jewish people, and everyone else in academic life, have and do still call it. Hope I have clarified myself, and thanks for caring. IZAK 12:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
- OK, I think I get the drift. I will pay attention to it in the future. (Don't be so down on the Jewish Encyclopedia though! It's an incredible work, written by some tremendous scholars. I think these articles significantly raise the quality of Wikipedia, whether their English is somewhat archaic or not. If you compare a JE-borrowed Wikipedia article to one written by "the masses," you can't but be struck by the difference in quality and scholarship. The typical Jewish Wikipedian (myself included) is not capable of producing articles of anything like that caliber. Most Wikipedians cannot even be bothered to cite the sources for the couple of factoids they manage to dredge up from their memory of 10th grade.) Thanks again for the clarification. Dfass 15:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
  - Hi Dfass: I am not down on the old Jewish Encyclopedia at all, and I fully agree with you that it is a more than masterly work of scholarship. But is was written in the context of the culture of over a hundred years ago as a product of the nineteenth century! My specific concern at this stage was only about how the meaning and application of the word/s "Palestine" and "Palestinian" are getting "lost in the cut-and-paste process" because one hundred years ago, "Palestinian" was used as an academic adjective as for example, together with "rabbis" ("Palestinian rabbi/s") or the Talmud ("Palestinian Talmud"). Up until 1948 the words "Palestine" and "Palestinians" still had application/s to Jews because of the existaence of the British Mandate of Palestine until 1948 in the territories of historically Jewish Land of Israel. Since then, the name "Palestine" and "Palestinians" has shed any connection to Jews and the modern Jewish State of Israel which was set up in contradistinction to an Arab Palestine. Particularly since the rise of the PLO (the Palestine Liberation Organization), following the 1967 Six-Day War, the term and notion of "Palestine" and "Palestinians" has become thoroughly and exclusively connected with the Arab Palestinians to the point that no-one (not in politics, academics, the media, religion, etc) associates the name "Palestine" and "Palestinians" with the Jews or Judaism, so that it can safely be said that the notion of a "Palestinian Jew" is an archaic anachronistic discarded notion. So when cutting and pasting articles from the one hundred year old Jewish Encyclopedia, one should not fall into a "time warp trap" by blindly pasting articles from it without some sensible updates, and not to inadvertantly recreate and foster terminology for Jews and Jewish Israelis that neither they nor the world accepts or recognizes. One needs to be conscious that the term "Land of Israel" is a well-established name that has survived for a long time and is still the preferred term of choice when speaking in modern terms, so that Jews not be confused with Arabs and vice versa. By speaking of the Category:Rabbis of the Land of Israel, meaning rabbis (or any Jews) associated with a historic geographic area, one also avoids problems such as calling pre-1948 rabbis or people "Israelites" -- used only for people in the Biblical era or "Israelis" -- which refers to citizens of the modern State of Israel. Thanks for your input. IZAK 07:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion

Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion FYI: Hi Tomer! A Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion has asserted itself in the Korban article. The project indicates that it is an umbrella project for all of religion and that the current religion projects are subprojects of it, yet its member directory lists only six members. Where is the project coming from? Is it a broadbased project, a very small group with a very big reach, or what? If you know some background or some of its people, would be much appreciated. Best, --Shirahadasha 03:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Shira: I noticed this comment. Their assertion is outrageous and false and should be rejected and disputed to the full. There is no "supreme council of religion" on Wikipedia and there never will be. Each religion has its experts and contributors on Wikipedia and none of them will ever tolerate interference from outside busy-bodies. Judging by their user pages, the members of this "religion" project are obviously coming from a Christian POV and seems they now wish to "double dip," pretty funny actually. See my notice on that page, below. Thanks, and may the Lights of Chanukah dispel all ignorance and darkness. IZAK 10:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NOTICE and OBJECTIONS to WikiProject Religion vs. Judaism

Hi: Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion#Judaism. Thanks, IZAK 10:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

NOTICE and OBJECTIONS:

No-one has the right to take upon themselves to be the controlling "project" for every religion on Earth!
Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism has been, and shall remain an independent project and will not accept interference in its work based on the assertion that editors not familiar with Judaism's traditions have a self-appointed "right" to interfere with Judaism-related articles by mere dint of being members of a "religion" project.
So far, as of 12/21/06 the mere six members of this project, are mostly Christian, (as self-described on their user pages) and raises the question, why don't they do their work in Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity (81 members as of 12/21/06)? How can a project with six members "pass judgment" on other projects with one hundred and twenty four members?
What will members of other projects, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam (64 members as of 12/21/06) think and react when "religion project" editors will advise what's best for Islam-related articles or not?
Note: Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism adheres to WP:NPOV and is one of the oldest Wikipedia projects with over one hundred and twenty members (as of 12/21/06), a number of whom are respected sysops as well, highly knowledgeable about many matters relating to Category:Jews and Judaism.
It would not be advisable for anyone to interfere with Judaism-related articles or Hebrew Bible-related topics that ignores the broad based consensus and general agreement that exists between Jewishly-oriented editors of Judaic articles, many of which touch upon Jews because being Jewish includes being both a part of Judaism as well as being part of an ethnicity, and a project on "religion" alone cannot and does not have the scope to touch upon issues that effects not just Jews and Judaism, but also Israel and Jewish history, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish history (with 33 members as of 12/21/06) and a broad range of related issues and projects, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish culture (19 members as of 12/21/06) and Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel (23 members as of 12/21/06).
Finally, Wikipedia is not the forum to create a de facto neo-"ecumenical project" which is only bound to cause confusion and resentment and will result in confusion and chaos and inevitabley violate Wikipedia:No original research; Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought; and Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms.

Thank you for taking this matter seriously. IZAK 09:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parasha pages

I mentioned this once, but I will mention it again. I would really like to commend you on the beautiful parasha pages. I visit it each week, I print it out, along with other divrei torah that you provided the links to (the JTS, OU, URJ, Judaic Seminar etc.). My family and I enjoy it a lot and appreciate all your hard and creative work. Thank you.David Betesh

Bill, I wanted to ask you: are you familiar about The Weekly Maqam? The Sephardic Jews each week, base the songs of the services on the content of that weeks Parasha. Would you be interested in including that each week to your parasha pages. For example concerning last week's parasha. "For Sephardic Jews, Maqam Ajam, the maqam that expresses happiness, is applied to Parashat Beshallach commemorating the joy and song of the Israelites as they crossed the sea." Would you be interested if I develop one sentence on each parasha to be included on your parasha pages? David Betesh

Ok, it'll take a week or two, and I will not be doing every parasha, only those that have a clear connection between the story/theme of the parasha and the maqam of the week. I will insert them into each respective week. David Betesh

Ok, I did what I can for the time being. Let me know if you like it. I have only inserted the Weekly Maqam into the parashas in which I am certain 100% that the maqams and the explanations are undisputed. I will provide the maqams for the rest in the near future. Let me know what you think. Thank you. David Betesh

[edit] Beshalach

Wow. And, like, wow. What a wonderful job you're doing there. I'm stunned. --Dweller 23:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rabbinical Literature

Hey, thanks a ton! It's still a work in progress, as you can probably tell. But I really appreciate the kind words! —Dfass 19:19, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tehillim

Dear Sir,

I translate every week the work you have done on the parshiot on fr.wikipedia. Like everybody, I think that it is just one of the best things that can be done on wikipedia, and cleverly uses wikipedia's resources.

May I however suggest you to add in the further readings sections the parallels of the parshiot in the Book of Psalms? I think it is for example at this point that events in Egypt and the Israelites' attitude towards God and Moses are interpreted the way we know it nowadays. I mean : by reading Exodus' first parshiot, one could still contend that these are natural events reinterpreted and explain thus the defiance of the people against Moses until the Sea of Reeds; whereas Psalm 105 clearly presents these events in a way that admits no denial, safe by heresy, and Psalm 106 actually denigrates Israelites for having been of so little faith. In short, I think that in this way, Book of Psalms is a rereading of the Torah, a step further in religious thought

What do you think? --Inyan 12:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC) (Also available here)

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