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Contents 1 Splits 2 Dimension? 3 Places 4 Recent changes 5 edit notes 6 Digital Worlds 01 and 02 Information 7 Ryo? 8 Brave Tamers 9 File Island and Server Continent 10 Mentioned? 11 Rewriting the article

[edit] Splits

I'm thinking some of this info would look nice split for it's own series / season -- Ned Scott 04:34, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dimension?

Has any of the characters in Digimon ever refer to the Digital World as another "Dimension"? If there is, should uit be noted in the article? --Eldarone 03:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Places

The list of places should probably be placed in the approrate Digital World sections of the series they appeared in. Plus, the list should be limited to relavant places. --Eldarone 20:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent changes

First, the new introduction is poorly writen. Second, I reverted the page due to the fact some of the information is redundant. There are already sections covering indvidual didital worlds, and Travel between worlds is better suited to one section otherwise it would cause redunantcy. --Eldarone 01:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] edit notes

After making the huge restructuring edits, i noticed someone had changed some of the information back. I believe some of those changes are in fact wrong, which is why i've re-edited the article.

I realize my edits will probably confuse or raise questions for some people, especially "Eldarone". Here is the explaination of why i made the edits and why i think the information on the article now is more correct.

different digital worlds

I'd like to point out that the entire paragraph about the digital world being created from the ABC and the ENIAC is information from, and only from the WonderSwan game "Brave Tamer". The information is cannon only to that game - and is not mentioned at all in any of the actual digimon anime seasons.

Therefore, it's wrong to put it at the top of the article because it implies that is "true" for the digital worlds that appear in all the anime seasons.

Because it doesn't. For a start, the anime cannon should take piority over the video game cannon because the video games are based on stuff from the anime. Further more, even if we take the video game cannon as being a part of the anime cannon, the video game would apply to only the season(s) of the anime that it corresponded to. Further more, this explaination of the origin of the digital world cannot be a 'cannon' over all the anime seasons - because it does not explain the differences in the human world.

This explaination of the origin says many many alternal parrallel digital worlds were created. I believe you interpreted this as being an explaination for why all the different digimon seasons had different digital worlds. This is for a start not cannon. It also can't be true because it doesn't account for the differences in the human worlds. For example, the human world of digimon tamers can't be the same one as digimon adverture. Otherwise, does digimon tamers come before or after digimon adventure? Tamers couldn't have happened before or at the same time as digimon adventure, because clearly, in digimon adventure, humans in general and the human government had no knowledge of digimon. It can't come after, because after digimon adventure, *all* people knew about digimon and tons of them had partners.

I have created an extra section called 'other digital worlds' and included that explaination of the origin as being from "Brave Tamer"

Further more, i have put back in the paragraph at the top about how all the digital worlds are actually different digital worlds, because they are set in different worlds. Even if you try to use the Brave Tamer explaination, it still says that there are many seperate different parrallel digital worlds that are not the same. that paragraph is needed so people understand why we have sections for all the different seasons, instead of one general explaination of what the digital world is.

the bit about other methods of travel

I have gotten rid of that section, and inserted the comments in it into their respective seasons. The reason for this is that that paragraph implies (wrongly) that those 'other methods' of travel applies to the digital worlds that exists in all seasons. This is just not true. There is no evidence of people projecting themselves into the digital world in Digimon Adventure. Trainmon is unique to Digimon Frontier. The Ark was a program written by people who where the creaters of the digital world in Tamers - in the other digimon seasons, there was no group of people who were the first creaters of the digital world.

That paragraph is therefore misleading because it implies that those things are a common thread throughout all the seasons.

Also, does those methods being "other" make the methods of travel not in that paragraph "normal"? In Digimon adventure and digimon adventure 02, where the digi-destined travelled to and fro the digital world a lot, i guess we can consider one method 'normal' over a more 'other' method. But in tamers and Frontier, where the main characters only came and went a few main times...how is one method more 'other' than another?

I also skipped the bit about the digi-destined with the trolly car - because the trolly car is not a method of travel between the two worlds. As the paragraph said, the trolly car simply allowed them to travel to the portal. They could have as easily got biyomon to digievolve and give them a life up. Anyhow, that's not a big issue. If you find it significant, feel free to add it back in.

combining the season 01 and season 02 sections

The whole point of sectioning the article into seasons is because the seasons are set in different digital worlds. And therefore we can't write a general 'digital world' article to include all the seasons. However, seasons 01 and 02 are clearly in the same digital world - 02 being a direct sequal. Therefore, we shouldn't seperate these two seasons.

structuring

nothing significant. I removed the "relationship with the real world" heading because that's the only heading under each season now, so it's not needed. Before, since there were two sections ("relationship with the real world" and "traveling to the digital world"), there were headings. Now since "relationship with the real world" is the only thing under each major headings, i felt there was no need to make the contents longer by placing in minor headings.

Yaksha 01:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Most of what you say sounds reasonable to me. But what worries me about this article is original research, which we can't include on Wikipedia. That is to say, things that aren't actually spelled out for us, or aren't obvious, and other types of speculation shouldn't be included. -- Ned Scott 07:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

umm...exactly what part of this article contains original research? As far as i can see, the only statements the article makes that aren't completely spelt out in some digimon cannon source are either negative statements (so something like "it is unknown how such portals come to be" in reference to portals to the digital world) and the fact that there are many different cannon versions of the digital world.

And even that...is sort of cannon. Because you can see in Tamers that they consider the digital world of Digimon Adventure and Digimon Adventure 02 to be fictional in their world, which proves how their world is a different reality to the one shown in DA and DA02. I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, just not quite sure what you mean.

Can you point out an example or two? thanks Yaksha 11:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

i've gone over the article and cut out some statements, as well as one paragraph which simply repeated what an ealier one said, and one paragraph which was more of a plot summary. Yaksha 12:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

This is an old, old argument. The producer of the show long ago settled it, saying the Ryo Wonderswan games were canon. You also don't seem to understand them very well -- the games never imply that there aren't more than one human world. It's just that all the ENIACs and Atanasoffs somehow exist as one combined sentient entity in the Digital World(s). The explanation is canon for and most definitely applies to Tamers, Adventure, and V-Tamer, and there's no reason to believe it doesn't also apply to Frontier, Savers, etc. Shining Celebi 19:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Digital Worlds 01 and 02 Information

Do we really need to have information in these sections? The linked Digimon articles already have sections explaining the Digital world already. We should just have the links. --Eldarone 13:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

What is the purpose of this article then? Except for the first paragraph explaining there are different versions of the digital world. And the list of locations. Everything else in the article has been said in the main articles. I'm in the belief that leaving sections as simply links to other articles looks tacky, unprofessional. If someone just wanted to read about the digital world, it would be annoying to have to click on links. As WP:PERFECT says, an article should be is nearly self-contained; it includes essential information and terminology, and is comprehensible by itself, without requiring significant reading of other articles. Yaksha 01:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

The purpose of this article is to give a brief overview of what the Digital World is, history,and ability to get there. Orginally there were sections in the Adventure and Tamers area, but I believe someone put them into their respective series. --Eldarone 03:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I rechecked the history page. Ned Scott made the decision to seperate the Digiworld sections onto their home series. Which was a good choice. --Eldarone 15:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Then if you still think it's a good choice now, then change it back. The only concern i have is that bits of the article will be lost (e.g. things that are said in Digital World which isn't mentioned in the season home article.) That will have to be checked. And some bits like Brave Tamer doesn't have another page - there is no article for Brave Tamer. The bits about entering the digital world should really be scrapped too then - because most of it is already said in the season main articles.

Another option would be simply shorten the bits - so leave a short paragraph for each of the seasons explaining the unique characteristics of that digiotal world compared to all the other digital worlds. I believe the edits you were talking about (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Digital_World&diff=45783961&oldid=45683075, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Digital_World&diff=45784766&oldid=45783961 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Digital_World&diff=45786319&oldid=45784766)were done mostly because the information there was mostly storyline and plot, rather than actual Digital World information. Yaksha 01:20, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, the moving of the info from this article to the 01 and 02 articles was because of the plot value it had. It would still be a good idea to have some form of write-up for each anime season here as well, even if it was a little bit of duplicating information. -- Ned Scott 02:08, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Then someonme should make a better write up then. --Eldarone 17:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

If you think it needs a better version...why don't you then? I'm not gonna bite ^.~ Yaksha 13:03, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ryo?

Should there be a mention of Ryo in the Other Digital Worlds section? He does show up in two different Universes and his game story gives an underlining reason why there are several digital worlds. Or for that matter, should we even mention crossovers between series? --Eldarone 13:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. I'd recommend you to read the Ryo Akiyama article, especially the section that addresses the existence of Ryo in both Digimon Adventure and Digimon tamers. To quote, especially this line: Ryo is the only concrete link to the Adventures series, since in Tamers, Digimon is a TV show and a card game. Ryo proves that this is a separate reality, where the show was created mirroring the real events of Digmon Adventures/Zero Two.

If we want to make special mention of him, you'd have to make the same kind of mentions for the guardian beasts, Ken (who also appears in a number of video games with Ryo which have realities of their own that don't really match up with digimon adventures)...etc. Anyway, it really doesn't bother me whether it's mentioned or not. However, if you do mention it, you should defintely point out that the reality of Digimon Adventures exists within the reality of Digimon Tamers as a fictional reality (i.e. a fictional reality inside a fictional reality), and that Ryo does exists in Digmon Tamers as a real person. Further more, Ryo exists in a lot of digimon video games with histories that don't match up to his anime versions.

IIRC, the Ryo in tamers never makes reference to himself existing in their fictional world of Digimon Adventures does he?

They never say he isn't the same character either.--Eldarone 03:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we do have a source that Ryo is only used in Tamers because he was popular in the games. Digimon Tamers head writer Chiaki J. Konaka's notes on Ryo. So in other words, there is no plot connection to Adventure Ryo and Tamers Ryo. Konaka also writes about this in his early notes here where he says "At the beginning of the story, the story and human characters of the previous series have nothing to do with this series." Also, the writing staff for the Adventures, the games, and Tamers are mostly different groups of people. -- Ned Scott 03:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Brilliant...i think this clears up the confusing regarding Ryo. Thank you Yaksha 13:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

There is nothing in that staement that says that Ryo in Tamers is a different character from the Wonderswan games. I should also note: "Different from the game, Ryo's priority as a TV series character must be heightened, and he must be given his own Partner Digimon. The digimon's power, strength, and heroism should make Ryo all the more attractive." All that says is his piorities are different than before. It should be noted that Konanka was probably refering to the main characters of Adventure. Also latter in the nore, Konaka notes Ryo as the "Wonderswan Game Character." The only thing clear is that there is no plot connection between Ryo's time in the Games, and the Tamer series. --Eldarone 18:08, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

it depends on what you define as 'character'. Ryo in tamers and Ryo in the games have the same look, mostly the same personality (slightly modified to suite the different worlds), same way of talking, of acting, same likes and dislikes in general, same digimon are associated with him...etc. So he is the same 'character'.

however, they're not the same because Ryo in tamers and Ryo in the games have two completely different histories. The things that Ryo in tamers did are not the things that Ryo in the games did. The Ryo in tamers never met ken and had adventures with ken or rescued Tai from evil digimon. Similarly, the Ryo in the games and who makes a cameo appearance in adventures never used cards, or met the tamers characters, or fought the D-reaper, and did everything he did in the tamers world.

It's like the digimon. They get repeated all the time. Same form, same voices even, act the same, same philosophies (i.e. devimon was always an evil digimon, whether in the cards, or in the games, or in adventure), same attacks, same fighting ability and strength...etc. But they weren't the same.

It's the same with Ryo. it's like...the two ryos are the same person, but have lived different lives. Because tamers and the games exist in different realities, and Ryo doesn't go from one reality to another. The ryo from the games doesn't enter the tamer world. Or the ryo from the tamer world doesn't enter the game. The two both just existed (and to be pedantic, i think the Ryo was in the tamer universe around the same age as he was in the game universe. Which basically meant he was in both at the same time.)

what i'm basically trying to say is that the ryo from games is not the same as the Ryo from tamers. Because the Ryo from the games would have been off having adventures with ken and would not remember 'himself' using cards, or fighting with tamers against the Dreaper. Similarly, the Ryo from tamers would think ken and co where fictional characters, and would not remember adventures with ken because he didn't have them. The Ryo from tamers was already well aquainted with digimon when he was 11, where as the Ryo from the games got dumped in the middle of the digital world with no knowledge of it when he was 11.

'no plot connection' basically means to me that the two Ryos have led different lifes, even though they have the same 'character'. Yaksha 13:29, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

No, it just means there was no on screen confirmation of Ryo's past experiences. --Eldarone 17:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

uhh...actually...there sort of is. The wonderswam game anode/cathode makes it pretty clear that he's lived a very ordinary until he was 11. When he got dumped into the digital world at 11, he had no previous experiences with digimon. In Tamers...Ryo enters the digital world for the first time when he's about 13-14 by choice, his first partner is cyberdramon, And he's been playing the digimon card game forever and been a champion at it. Clearly different histories. Yaksha 02:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

It means there's two different Ryo stories and they are not related. Even if someone later on made an "official" connection, that doesn't change the fact that the writers of the video games and the writers of Tamers weren't connecting their characters at the time of writing. -- Ned Scott 20:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

All that still means there is no visble plot connecton between the stories, and that the writers don't work together when developing characters. It's happen before in other stories,in which another character is developed in two different stories, but it dosn't mean he's a different person. I can discuss this all day, but I agree that there would no point in mentioning Ryo on the main article. --Eldarone 21:51, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, yes, he is the same character, but a character isn't a person. From an in-universe prospective we see the possibilities of connections and so on, but we should write articles from an out-of-universe perspective. State just the basics and then let the readers come to their own conclusions. -- Ned Scott 03:08, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

It should be noted that I use Character and person interchangably, I don't literally the character is a living person. Sorry if it was confusing. On-topic, I already have agree to your recomendations. --Eldarone 03:33, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brave Tamers

I've moved the section about the origin of the digital world as explained by Brave Tamers back down into a section of its own.

Why are you putting it up in the introduction for? What is it about the Brave Tamers explaination of the digital world that makes it superior to the versions of the digital world given in other anime or games?

There is no evidence what so ever that this version is more cannon, or 'cannons over' all the other versions.

Putting it in the introduction is therefore misleading. Yaksha 01:34, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Digimon has no levels of canon offically. However, Ryo, the main character of the Wonderswan games does show up in both the Digimon 01/02 Continunty and Tamers continunity. There were crossovers between the V-Tamer and 01/02 contiunity. Several series are linked together, thus Wonderswan games are just as relvant as the anime series. Also note, that the wonderswan game explination of the digital worlds, every universe in the Multiverse has a Digital world. If the games are equal in canon with the anime series, that means each and every Digital World resulted from Eniac and ABC. --Eldarone 02:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

We shouldn't be writing these articles from the prospective of the fiction itself (in-universe, see WP:WAF), but rather talk about the Digital World as a plot element used by real writers to tell a story. At best we could note that Brave Tamer attempts to explain a connection between the different canons, but that's about it, and it should stay under Brave Tamer's sub-section and not the introduction. -- Ned Scott 03:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Agree. That's probably the best to explain it. But, is cannon really a proper word for this situtation? There's never been an offical policy on Digimon Canon, and as far I can tell each series, game and comic are equally canon due to the Brave Tamer explination, but that's another subject altogether. --Eldarone 04:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I thought the word cannon just meant official. So unless otherwise stated, all games, comic, seasons...etc are all equally cannon since they're all officially produced as 'digimon goods'.

being equally cannon just means equally official, it doesn't mean something which is true in one game or season is true in another. For example, "the dark ocean is another parrellel world that exists alongside the human and digital worlds" is cannon for digimon adventure. But since Tamers is set in a different fictional reality to Adventure, that statement is not cannon for tamers because there is no evidence in tamers that suggests such a place exists.

Similarly, the ABC and ENIAC being the origin of the digital world is cannon for Brave Tamers. But there's no evidence of those two things having anything to do with the origin of the digital world in any of the other seasons or games. Yaksha 13:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Which reminds me, isn't one of the video game Digiworld the same as the one in the Adventure series?--Eldarone 04:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

hmm...you may be refering to the wonder swan game cathode/anode (no idea how they got that name, nothing to do with chemistry i assure you =P).

It's Ryo's game. The game has sequals too...where some background about Ken and Ryo are explained (basically it tries to explain why Ryo appeared in the flashback Ken has after he stops being the emperor.)

I should also mention that the game simply takes the setting of Digimon Adventure - what happens in the game doesn't always correspound with the anime. For example, the first group of digi-destined get kidnapped by Milleniumon and Ryo rescueing them at the end of Cathode/Anode. So you'd have to be careful trying to make statements about the Adventure world based on what happens in related games. Games don't generally follow everything in the anime that it's based on simply because the game has to be made in a way which is enjoyable for someone to play. Which means altering details or leaving gaps for the player to make their own choices. Yaksha 13:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] File Island and Server Continent

It has come to my attention the the "File Island" and "Server Continent" sections need some major improvments. I have made some changes so far but a lot of work still needs to be done. Most of the places the are in the "File Island" section were never named in the anime, just in the game Digimon World. Also for the description in the "Server Continent":

• The Castle: Currently used by Myotismon, it was where the DigiDestined's Digimon were created.

Isn't this incorrect, The Castle is not currently used by Myotismon because he has already been defeated. Shouldn't we change it to:

• The Castle: Was formally used by Myotismon, it was where the DigiDestined's Digimon were created.

It is also not just this one, but many more that I feel need to be clarified. Any thoughts or opinions on doin this? Agree/Disagree with this change?

[edit] Mentioned?

Where the following places on File Island ever actually mentioned in the anime, and if so can someone please but some information into them that pretains to the anime ( I would do it myself but I cant seem to find these locations anywhere within the anime):

• Back Dimension
• Drill Tunnel
• Beetle Land
• Fossil Canyon
• Gear Savannah
• Geko Swamp
• Misty Trees
• Trash Mountain--Mmmundo 15:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I've never payed much attention to this article but I do recognise those areas, not from the anime though, but from the video game Digimon World. Nightmare SE 15:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rewriting the article

The Digital World article is in apoor state. it's unorganized, poorly writen, and really needs some reorganization. I propose someone re-write it. --Eldarone 04:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you completely, why dont you start.--Mmmundo 04:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)