User talk:DMTsurel
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Re your vote on styles. I understand and agree. But only casting one vote is effectively a vote against Alternative 1 because it means that less opposition is recorded against its nearest rival. Ireland uses an electoral system called Proportional Representation using a Single Transferable Vote. It works on the same principle as the one being used (only less complicated! I never thought I would find a system more complicated than PR.STV!) What you do is give your bottom preference to the people you want to defeat, and spread your vote in a way that boosts the rivals of the alternative you do not want. So if for example, you find Alternative 3 the one you least like, give it your bottom vote so that opposition to it is recorded. And spread the other votes to ensure the weakest get votes ahead of it. If for example in Ireland I want to ensure candidate 'x' of Fianna Fáil is elected, and ensure candidate 'y' of Sinn Féin is defeated, and there are 15 candidates, I give my number 1 to 'x', my number '15' to 'y' and spread my other votes to ensure that all other candidates beat 'y'.
Sinn Féin and Fianna Fáil voters famously used to practice a 'first and only choice' vote by just voting for their own preferred candidate and then stopping. They eventually realised that they were wasting their vote because they weren't using it to block those they were most opposed to, or to build up the rivals to the candidate they were opposed to. To stop Alternative 3 winning, if that is what you want, give it your fifth choice and give your second, third and fourth choices to the weakest options.
Just be careful though not to copy everyone else doing it. If everyone gives the same other alternatives the same order of votes they may win. So if option 4 gets a lot of 2s, give it a 4. Doing a full vote right down the line will have the effect of strengthening Alternative 1 vis-a-vis 3 or whatever. Just voting for 1 and stopping actually weakens it against its rivals if everyone else votes down the line, because while their opposition to different alternatives is recorded, by stopping at 1 your's isn't. That is why though very popular Alternative 1 is being beaten. Remember the winner won't be decided by who has more votes for, but which faces the least opposition. By voting first and only choice you haven't recorded your opposition to the other options. Slán FearÉIREANN
\(talk) 00:18, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Survey on Prefixed-Styles
Since you are one of the people currently voting a "First and only choice" I am hoping to encourage you to vote a full set of preferences in the ongoing survey before May 14, in order to prevent a deadlock which will result in no consensus. Whig 12:51, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] hi DMTsurel.
I ask you not to delete Nimrod Kamer.
the guy (I am his friend writing from his user name) is a director known thruout israel. let him be, in a week he will appear in the IMBD movie database.
- I answered on your talk page. DMTsurel 20:44, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] IDRIVE
subst:==You helped choose {{subst:IDRIVEtopic article}} as this week's WP:ACID winner==
[edit] Agnon Picture Licence
Hello! Where is the source of this picture? Can we upload to commons? --Sheynhertzגעשׁ״ך 05:33, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
- I Don't know what is the source of this picture, I uploaded it fro the Hebrew Wikipedia. The person who uploaded it there says he doesn't remember where it's from (probably from a Wikipedia in another language), and he doesn't think it can uploaded to commons. DMTsurel 05:33, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] VFD Nimrod Kamer
If you think I was in error, then you can put it up for vfd again. Sorry for the delay, but as I said on my user page, I'm on a semi Wikibreak right now. Apologies. --Woohookitty 13:45, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
This is my personal opinion and other administrators may give you different advice, but I would recommend against just deleting it. I have been involved in two cases of administrators trying to overturn my VFD debates, and both have resulted in controversy and ill will.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Stockport cricket club was the lesser of the two, but made a few users angry at User:Duncharris.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Religious persecution by Jews was a controversial VFD from the get-go, and my closing of that one as a "no consensus" was extremely controversial as well. Then a participant of the debate, User:Neutrality decided that my decision was all wrong and set about to delete it himself, then half of the "delete"-voters on the original debate turned up on VFU to vote "keep deleted", much to the chagrin of me and a number of other administrators who had not taken part in the debate. This one may lead to greater controversy later.
In short, my experiences with overriding VFD debates, especially by ones which have participated in the same debates, are very poor. Filing a second VFD will be far less controversial, so even if that may be more difficult, and more time-consuming, I think it is worth it. Finally, the acceptance of votes by anonymous voters is at the closing admins discretion, contrary to popular perception, there is no automatic "discount all anonymous votes and votes from new users" rule. The guideline is written at the top of the VFD page "Anonymous and new users are welcome to contribute to the discussion, but their votes may be discounted, especially if they seem to be made in bad faith." , Note the word "may". With that said, I would have closed that debate as a "delete" had I closed it, simply because the sheer number of anonymous votes makes me believe that sockpuppetry was taking place. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice. Can I just renominate the article right away? No waiting period or something? DMTsurel 09:13, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
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- In general, it is a good idea to wait, because very quick renominations tend to gather a few "keep, too early for a renomination" votes. However, in a case like this, when you can argue that there originally was a consensus, most users will probably be OK with it. It's your call. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:36, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
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- Thank you very much DMTsurel 09:47, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] input request
Would you mind looking in on Talk:Jesus H. Christ#"Bored church attendees"? Thanks for your time. Tomertalk 00:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] User:Cool Cat/In many languages...
Thank you for the Herbew translation --Cat out 23:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- You're welcome. :) DMTsurel 07:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Languages
Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 13:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
