User talk:DuncanHill

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Contents 1 Welcome! 2 Tis why fresh eyes are a good thing 3 James Barry (surgeon) and James Alexander Barry 4 Re: Cornwall 5 England/UK 6 Highwood, Herefordshire 7 Highwood, Herefordshire/Worcestershire? 8 Thanks 9 King's College School 10 Kipling 11 Disambiguation 12 Discussion about a vandalism warining I made 13 Mount Read Volcanics 14 Help 15 Thanks 16 Cornwall stub proposal 17 Cornwall-stub on biographies 18 Pocklington - tidying up my entries 19 Cornwall stub 20 Davies Gilbert and John Davies Gilbert (his Son) 21 List of closed railway stations in Britain 22 Cornish language text 23 Terrorist organizations 24 WikiProject Munich 25 Comment left on my User page 26 Evighet and Cornwall 27 Fox family of Falmouth 28 Stephen Davies 29 Sabu 30 Vandalism 31 Please revisit and consider

[edit] Welcome!

Hello, DuncanHill, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Thanks - I renamed the page, but I replaced the diaspora page with a redirect here (as desribed in the wikipedia renaming pages section). Some other helpful person came through and deleted the diaspora page completely (why I do not know) causing the problem that you describe. Anyway, thanks for putting things back the righht way. take care Mammal4 11:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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Well welcome to wikipedia then - I see you already have a welcome pack, but here is a more comprehensive list of useful links that you might find useful. If you're interested in editing Cornwall related stuff, then you might like to join the Penwith Wikiproject or helping out with the Cornwall portal? Have fun Mammal4 11:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Seeing as you are from Cornwall, and created the Boscawen-Un article, then I would like to add my voice to that of Mammal4 in inviting to join the Penwith WikiProject. M4 and myself make up two thirds of the active membership, so it is a small grouping that is very succesful at getting things done and has proven (for me anyway) to be a very enjoyable experience. If you want to know more, click the link on the template on any of the talk pages in the Penwith remit.LessHeard vanU 10:32, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tis why fresh eyes are a good thing

Glad to have you spot the obvious hole in the Otta (river) article. Here I thought everyone knew it was in Norway. :) Thanks - Williamborg (Bill) 03:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Hope to see a lot more of you here (and in Norway)! Williamborg (Bill) 03:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Have been to Norway a couple of times, and loved it (except the prices!)

[edit] James Barry (surgeon) and James Alexander Barry

Hi! Just a heads up to let you know I did a further adjustment in Dictionary of Canadian Biography Initiative to distinguish between the two above. I left James Alexander Barry in the ==B=='s with a note. He will have a DoCb entry at some point, I'm sure. In the meantime, the note will "heads up" anyone looking at these entries. Nice catch! (There are a lot of disambigs to do in there.) Stormbay 17:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Stormbay, I seemed to be finding 'James Barry's wherever I looked for a while there! DuncanHill 17:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Cornwall

I'm not sure what edits you're referring to, the only edits I've made have been to add the home nation (over a week ago now) or revert the mass changes by anons. Anyway, the discussion is linked at the top of the talk page. Joe D (t) 10:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back, it looked like you'd deleted {{United Kingdom]] from a lot of articles. I'll have another look at the talk page to see if I can find it DuncanHill 10:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] England/UK

Here it is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/UK or home nations in introductions I think it was a bit sneaky to move it to a page without saying where - maybe a redirect should be added to the main talk page sending people to the new page. I'm still trying to write a summary page to go with this but haven't got that far Mammal4 10:47, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Scrap that - it wasn't sneaky, I am just too blind to see the redirect link! Mammal4 10:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highwood, Herefordshire

Are you certain there is a Highwood in Herefordshire? I was going to delete the line in List of places in Herefordshire when I saw you'd dabbed it and added it to the Highwood geodis article. See my earlier note of the 'List of ...' discussion page - I think that list should not be relied on. Unless I'm reading the map wrong Highwood, Worcestershire is a couple of miles north of the county boundary. Best Wishes Saga City 04:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highwood, Herefordshire/Worcestershire?

It looks like it's near Hanley Childe, which IS in Worcs, don't have a big enough scale map of the area to check properly tho'. Thanks for spotting it. DuncanHill 12:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

It's north of Hanley Child and the county boundary runs to the south of that village. So I'm confident enough it's in Worcestershire to delete it from the Herefordshire list. Thanks for the prompt replies. Saga City 12:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

For fixing the mines thingie Good to see someone else on west coast tas things, sometimes it gets a bit lonely and quiet - just like it used to be living there ! SatuSuro 01:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Good to see someone else on west coast tas things, sometimes it gets a bit lonely and quiet - just like it used to be living there ! SatuSuro 01:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Long term fantasy is to even list the main minerals mined at each mine (mmm!) SatuSuro 09:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] King's College School

"It would be appreciated if you could at least acknowledge messages left for you."

I have two jobs, an association to run, and a real life. :-)

Seriously, the history of the articles contained names of real people (pupils etc.) in inappropriate ways. We need to do selective undeletion. David.Monniaux 12:08, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that selective undeletion of history parts is a time-consuming process; I put up a request for this to be done. David.Monniaux 13:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I should probably have done that; but another problem is that often people request us to be "discreet" about their requests... I thought at the time that it was better not to raise attention . David.Monniaux 17:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kipling

Thanks! I've enjoyed working on the page. It got me to read Gilmour's The Last Recessional, which I enjoyed, and I also recently bought an old edition of Kipling's From Sea to Sea (newspaper articles he wrote for The Pioneer during his travels in both India and the US during 1888 and 1889), which I just started. Like you, I've enjoyed him since childhood, and am still amazed at his inventiveness. It used to be said that literature doesn't produce prodigies in the same way that music, art, or mathematics does. Kipling, clearly, seems to be some kind of exception. BTW, I saw your note in the Kipling discussion page about Kipling in the category "Anglican." The Gilmour biography has this to say: "In his adult poems he often invoked a Divinity--whom he vaguely believed in--and certainly he respected other people's religions. But he was never, in any real sense, a practising Christian. Whatever bigotries he may have collected in the course of his life, religious ones were absent." (Gilmour also mentions in a footnote that in 1908, Kipling described himself as "a godfearing Christian Atheist.") Thanks agin. Sanjay Tiwari 17:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

That's interesting about the two volumes of From Sea to Sea. I wonder if by 1926 (when you say the second volume was printed), Kipling had asked the publisher to stop printing the swastika. (I have an older edition, and both volumes have the swastikas.) Interesting too, what you say about his letter to Caroline Taylor. In his "autobiography," he invokes "Allah" (as a benevolent presence) every now and then. I think it would be good to see something about his views on religion. Look forward to your additions! Sanjay Tiwari 10:17, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation

Hello there, Just stumbled upon your page and saw that you are involved in disambiguating pages. Could please do so for Jordan Palmer and Jordan Palmer (football)? Thanks--Thomas.macmillan 15:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion about a vandalism warining I made

Hi - sorry I didn't know how else to get in touch with you. Why are my actions considered vandalism? Isn't the wikipedia about the public editing pages? Secondly are you in charge of this page in particular - if so, why? I'm very interested to hear your response... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.242.18.214 (talk • contribs) 10:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Mount Read Volcanics

The link to Mount Read at this stage a bit dubious (I'll leave it.. but...) because the article that is needed to explain the Mount Read Volcanic Belt is as yet unwritten! It is going to be difficult, I keep putting it off - but have found some good simple summaries recently. Mount Read - and Mount Read Volcanic Belt are two quite separate subjects - sigh. SatuSuro 07:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

If you see my talk conversation here Talk you might understand that ideal agenda of what I'd like to do on west coast tas arts versus the reality is quite a big gap!

Good things have been turning up just recently in the form of maps and good references and summaries - so in the end the List if mines should have a lot more blue links this year ! - SatuSuro 08:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help

How can I help you DuncanHill? --Skywolf ^talk/_contribs 01:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I answered on your talk page - it's about George Trevelyan (New Age spiritualist) DuncanHill 01:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Great job. Well done. - Kittybrewster 14:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Go for it. - Kittybrewster 14:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Dear Duncan, noticed your edits using the Cornwall Stub and other categorys which looks really good. With this in mind I would like to award you the following

		The Original Barnstar
		for all your recent hard work Reedgunner 14:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks from me too, to Cortnwall-stubbing the Fox family of Falmouth ===Vernon White (talk) 15:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Recommend Barclay Fox's Journal. It should be available from your local Library. ===Vernon White (talk) 15:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cornwall stub proposal

I think right now for proposals, we are using a cut-and-paste system. Just edit the proposals page and cut your section out (I recommend temporarily copying it to a program like Notepad so you don't lose it accidentally...I've done that a couple times.. Ugh). Then edit the archive page and paste the section in at the top. Make sure to follow the instructions at the top of the archive page. Also, make sure to add your new stub to the stub type list. If you need any more help, let me know and I can explain better or do it for you, if you need me to. Have a great day and happy editing. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 16:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cornwall-stub on biographies

OK. At first wink there does indeed seem to be a reasonably large amount of genuinely primarily-notable-in-relation-to-Cornwall material here, somewhat addressing my question at WSS/P. However, there's good reason we try to avoid "regional bio stubs", and a case in point is the large number of biographies you seem to have tagged with this type. It's not appropriate to use this on "people who happened to be born in Cornwall", where Cornwall has next to nothing to do with their stated notability. For example, look at Jack Richards, one of the very first articles I happened across -- so I'm guessing this in danger of happening a lot. Alai 16:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No, you've created a regional stub that you're using as if it were a regional bio stub. Or rather, as if it were a "place of birth stub". I think I made the "good reasons" pretty clear: stub types are for someone's primary notability, not for ancillary background info. Your rationale is wholly speculative: if I add stub types to an article based on someone's place of birth, where they went to school, their university, and three or four places they've worked or owned houses, then someone might expand the article in ways related to those places, but the chances are, I'm just creating template and category spam. Am I to construe your reply as a statement of intent to leave the current contents as they are, and to continue tagging on the same basis, regardless of primary notability? Alai 18:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with your contention that I'm using it as a regional bio stub or place of birth stub - what I have done is add it to stub articles that appear to me to have a Cornish connexion - of course other editors can change any stub or cat marker as they see fit. I think you will find that most of the articles I have stubbed as Cornwall-stubs were already in Cornwall-related cats, and many were already stubbed in other stub cats. Many are also not 'bio' articles. It may be that I have marked some articles as Cornwall stubs when they should not be - it's also probable that there are other articles I haven't stubbed that should be. If you have good reason to remove the Cornwall stub from a particular article then of course you should go ahead and do so. I would just add that my original message to you that I had created the Cornwall stub cat was identical to the messages I placed on the talk pages of the other users who had contributed to the discussion, and was meant as a courtesy to let you know what had happened. I will also copy this reply to your talk page. DuncanHill 18:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You've asserted no connection in the case I cited beyond place of birth (speculating that there might be hardly amounts to the same thing), so I don't see what basis you can possibly have for disagreeing with my "contention". (I didn't say you were using it only as such, but it shouldn't be being used as such at all.) I invite you once again to review stubs you've added to the category on such a basis: you're the person agitating for such a stub type (and creating as such, regardless of the /P "closure" otherwise), the least you could do is to use it in a restrained and appropriate manner, rather than simply leaving it open for others to clean up same. If the majority of these articles are genuinely primarily notable in connection with Cornwall, then diluting it with those that are not is unnecessary, and just reduces the effectiveness of an otherwise sensible type; if they're not, then the whol stub type is probably more trouble than it's worth. Alai 18:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

If you think an article should not have a particular stub tag on it, then you could always remove it yourself - I had thought that was one of the point of Wikipedia. I note that you have only cited a single article. I am struck by the vehemence of your remarks - and am sorry if I have offended you in any way - tho' I don't see how. I do not understand your comment about me creating the stub contrary to the debate - the result was to create. Of course I shall be coming back to articles I have marked as Cornwall stubs - but I'm sure you will appreciate that (1) I can't do this instantly, and (2) the point of stubbing is to draw the attention of a wide range of editors who will each bring their own knowledge and perspectives to editing. This is the first stub I have created, and I am still comparitively new to Wikipedia. If your intention is to discourage inexperienced editors from contributing, then you are going about it in the right way. DuncanHill 19:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you feel that my comments have been inappropriately vehement, though I must say that can't see that's been the case -- eye of the beholder, I suppose. As to your being "comparatively new": to put that in perspective, some editors are enraged they haven't been made sysops after being here half as long as you have (and come to that, some actually have been). Yes, one of the points of a wiki is the proverbial "merciless editing" of others' work, but equally, so is establishing, and hopefully then implementing, a consensus for the desired outcome, rather than just twiddling things back and forth, or ending up "policing" other people's edits. The /P discussion was closed as "create upmerged template", not an unqualified "create", to clarify that point. I of course appreciate that you can't 'instantly' review all those articles (obviously you're indeed under no obligation to do so at all), and nor was I expecting that, but bear in mind that you must have a much better idea than I as to what basis you added the tags, and are therefore, all else being equal, in a much better position to address your own observation regarding how many stub articles might now carry this tag, on no more evident basis that having been born in the county. I looked at, quite literally, all of two or three articles before finding that one, on which basis I voiced the concern that it may be a wider phenomenon. If that's not the case, my mind is put at rest. Alai 01:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. As you say, you looked at two or three articles and found one where you disagreed with the stubbing. I don't know what an upmerged category is - you proposed it, but didn't explain what it is, and when I did a wikipedia search for it (after the debate had been closed), I couldn't find anything. If it means putting the Cornwall geo-stubs in the Cornwall stub and not having a Cornwall geo-stub, surely that would create an unmanageably large stub cat? Anyway, I have unstubbed the article you objected to, and don't think that any of the other ones I stubbed fit the circumstances you objected to. If users less experienced than me are complaining about not getting admin privileges - I don't really see what that's got to do with this specific issue. DuncanHill 01:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

i.e., an 'error rate' of 33-50% (albeit on a low sample size), hence the concern. The upmerge suggestion may now be moot, but for clarity: it means having a duplicate template feeding into a parent category: for example, the French départmental template {{Orne-geo-stub}} feeds into its regional parent category. Typically this is done when a type in sensible in theory, but too small in practice. I should probably add something to WP:STUB on upmerged templates, though you always have the option of asking someone for a gloss of unfathomable jargon. (It's not necessarily practical to do so unsolicitedly on every occasion, without any notion of whether it's required.) My final comment has nothing to do with the original issue: it has to do with the "inexperienced editors" observation you made in reply. Alai 02:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pocklington - tidying up my entries

thanks! Only just signed up and added a whole raft more info to the page of my hometown, Pocklington, which was in a bit of a state - very disorganised and tatty. Thanks for catching a few typos etc for me, and I hope posting here like this is the correct/acceptable thing to do :-) PocklingtonDan 18:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cornwall stub

Good work - I will try and have a look through this drekkly but am rather snowed under at work at the moment (well I have to finace my Wikipedia habit somehow!) Take care Mammal4 08:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Well done - I believe this was suggested before but dismissed because off an alleged lack of stubs - there are now over 200 and growing ! Gulval 14:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Davies Gilbert and John Davies Gilbert (his Son)

Can't find what science JDG did to justify his fellowship of the Royal Society. Maybe I can ask the Librarian of the Royal Society.

JDG seem to have been a successful property developer (Eastbourne)and garden designer (Trelissick Garden).

== Vernon White (talk) 09:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Yes Davies Gilbert was a great encourager. He encouraged engineers as well as scientists. See Beyond the Blaze. I'll see if I can get a response from the R.S. Library about his son John. === Vernon White (talk) 16:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of closed railway stations in Britain

Thanks for fixing. I was copy & pasting from a similar list breakup I did to List of homesteads in Western Australia. Apparently I forgot to change one of the links, but I was somewhat in a hurry as my Environmental Management course was coming to a close within minutes of my last edit. I found the page on Special:Longpages, just in case you're interested — this article was the longest listed on the page. Again, thanks. thadius856_talk 00:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cornish language text

Hi, you asked me why Cornish language text had been left in an English language article. Very simple, some of it was left in by accident, and some of the rest consisted of book titles etc. It was mainly in order to expand an article which existed in Cornish, but didn't exist in an English version at all, until recently. --MacRusgail 15:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Terrorist organizations

The objective was not to found an Israeli state, but to found a Jewish state in Palestine. The name of the state was not clear at the time, and the organizations were dissolved when the state was founded. Before the state was founded, Jews in Palestine were known as Palestinians, the Jerusalem Post was the Palestine Post, etc. Describing these groups as "Israeli" is an anachronism; it's like stating that the Roanoke colony was founded in the United States, when it actually pre-dated the United States by centuries. Jayjg ^(talk) 03:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Munich

Would you be interested in helping out atWikiProject Munich? And you don't have to know anything about Munich. Maybe you could help out on bringing Munich-related articles up to Wikipedia Policies and guidlines standards or maybe another area where you could help improve Munich-related articles. Kingjeff 22:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment left on my User page

Hello Duncan, I'm that guy who you praised for adding stuff about geology! Thank you!! I see you are from Cornwall - I'm from Wales, so were both from Celtic nations!! I've written a response to your kind words earlier, hope you like it! I've got an interest in geology, because, in Wales, like Cornwall and Devon, geology has influenced our great lands (tin mining in Cornwall was possible because the granite of Cornwall sweated out lodes of tin) - as well as our Celtic cousins in Ireland and Brittany. See you soon, write a response if you like!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.62.42.132 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Evighet and Cornwall

Thank you for the definition of Evighet. I noly thought it was Elivghet, because the website I get everything abotu Eurovision from (Devoted.to/eurovision) spelt it like that. Keith must have had a typo.

Okay and Cornwall. I see you're a Cornwall Project member. I hope I created the North Cornwall Box alright. Here it is Click Here. Tell me if there is anything wrong with it. Peterwill 21:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Have noted it on your talk page!DuncanHill 21:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay I have seen your comment. It is not presented correctly and it was still listed in the to do list. Also it should have been copied on to all of the pages that it relates to. It wasn't on any, and my version is already on all of them up to St. Mabyn. Peterwill 21:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fox family of Falmouth

Brighton Libraries have both Caroline and Barclay Fox's journals. === Vernon White (talk) 00:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

here's another, notable enough for an ODNB entry

Fox, Charles (1740?–1809), poet and orientalist, is of uncertain parentage and upbringing. It is most likely that he was the son of Joseph Fox, a Quaker grocer from Falmouth, though it is elsewhere suggested that he was the child of a John Fox and Rebecca, née Steevens, of High Wycombe. He kept a bookseller's shop and house in Falmouth, the latter being destroyed by fire. . .

+++ Vernon White (talk) 13:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stephen Davies

Hi Duncan. I did redirect 'Stephen Davies' to 'Davies', but then reconsidered and made 'Stephen Davies' a disambig page, though with only two links so far. I presume you are asking about the Stephen Davies mentioned on the 'Institute of Economic Studies' (?) page. I have no idea who this is - probably a third party but pageless so far. Maybe it needs to be unlinked. Maias 11:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sabu

Appreciate the dab. Have more than a few to fix myself! Mattbwn 01:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

I pinged all the IPs and they're all registered to the same US address - I have no doubt that they're all from the same user rotating his IP to make them look like legitimate edits. Unfortunately, blocking the 172 IP would also block a lot of legitimate editors on the same ISP so is not desirable. There were only a few edits, and we both spotted them (even though I'm technically on a wikibreak!) so I don't think its a big problem. If it escalates them we could consider getting some pages blocked to unregistered editors, but I think its probably best to wait and see Mammal4 15:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please revisit and consider

Thanks for your endorsement on the Category:Categories for deletion proposal, but be advised per User:Tim! and User:Submillimeter's point, I've modified my proposal.
re: See this summary, and my comments on clear documentation all along our project pages. This alternative is more consistent with normal category practices. For your convienience this is a direct link back into the discussion. Thanks // FrankB 21:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)