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Contents 1 Fleet Issuses 2 Ownership outdated 3 Terrorist Attack 4 Logo 5 Destinatons 6 Missile Countermeasures? 7 Swiss don't allow El Al? 8 July 27, 1955 - El Al Constellation shot down over Bulgaria 9 All pilots ex-IAF? 10 Hardened Unit Load Devices 11 Flying on jewish sabbath 12 New Logo 13 El Al at Heathrow 14 Security 15 Controversy Section 16 Merge 17 El Al + O'Hare = ???

[edit] Fleet Issuses

I am not a regular author at WIkipedia, but this should be fixed: As of 02/2007, Israir owns 2 A320, YL-LCB and YL-LCA and returned 4X-EBM to El AL. 4X-EBI never belonged to El Al, it is owned by ILFC who simply gave it first to El Al, then it was some months at ILFC and then ISRAIR leased it. Please update!!! Leo :D

Updated!!!

[edit] Ownership outdated

The ownership listed in the History chapter is outdated, as the state sold it's shares in the company.brozen 05:59, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Terrorist Attack

It says that the 2002 shooting incident at LAX was "one of the few on U.S. soil" since 9/11. Does this include only so-called Islamic extremism? If so, what other actual attacks (not foiled plots) have occured that were considered "terrorist acts". There's the anthrax and Richard Reid (not exactly "U.S. soil" but not so much foiled as failed). Any others? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.165.87.40 (talk • contribs) 20:45, March 2, 2006 (UTC)

See List of terrorist attacks. 68.32.48.42 15:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Logo

I'm not sure which logo is best, however the current one is very blurred Flymeoutofhere 17:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I tried uploading a better version of the logo, since the other one isn't showing the two-tone name (should be both light and dark blue). However, the new one isn't either for some reason and just looks crappy, so I reverted. Dbinder 18:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

What about this one? Image:El-al logo.gif DeepSpace 19:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that one's much better Flymeoutofhere 17:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok so I'll edit the article. DeepSpace 18:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I've got the real logo in SVG, so I changed it. --Keeleysam 13:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Destinatons

I think we should make a seperate page for the destination. What do you think?

El Al doesn't fly to Montreal. Sun D'Or, El Al's charter subsidiary, uses El Al's aircraft to fly to various cities around the world, from Montreal to Osaka and many other cities in between. For proof, go to elal.com and look at the route map. Montreal is not listed!

"all El Al flight crew members are trained in hand to hand combat". Well... I am ElAl crew member and i didn't know that.... Were did you get it from?

El Al does not fly to Atlanta either. I have flew to Atlanta many times and neglected to see any El Al planes there. I have removed Atlanta from the list. Bucs2004 03:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missile Countermeasures?

This has never been proven. Does anybody have evidence to cite this? Win101 16:56, June 20, 2006 (UTC)

http://www.iai.co.il/Default.aspx?docID=25873&FolderID=28973&lang=en&PageNum=3 DeepSpace

[edit] Swiss don't allow El Al?

Since when? As per this article, http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull&cid=1145961375334 , it seems that El Al is flying in Switzerland.

True, I've flown El Al to Zurich several times the past year. Whoever wrote this - can you give a reference? --ShaharEvron 19:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] July 27, 1955 - El Al Constellation shot down over Bulgaria

All the crew and passengers? I know a survivor.

[edit] All pilots ex-IAF?

As far as I'm aware, the claim that all El-Al pilots are ex-IAF fighter pilots is a myth. El-Al conducts training for non-ex-military pilots to join its ranks. Penedo 05:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hardened Unit Load Devices

I remember watching a TV program over the last year or two where they demonstrated how a Hardened ULD (Unit_Load_Device) can be effective in order to contain explosives in the cargo area. The program claimed that El-Al is the only company to deploy these ULD's because its security expenses is financed by the Israeli government. Sorry - no reference available. Maybe the program was talking about the HULD in this link: http://www.jaycor.com/jaycor_main/web-content/set_huld_desc.html

Penedo 05:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flying on jewish sabbath

How about the following for the Jewish aspects of El Al? Vonfraginoff 15:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

El Al has had success in the past serving the needs of the religious Jewish clientele who fly to and from Israel: It serves only kosher food (by some definitions), long-haul flights typically feature passenger-led prayer-services, and, as a rule, El Al does not fly on Shabbat. Following an Israeli civil-services strike which shut down the airport, El Al scheduled take-offs after sundown on Friday, raising the ire of religious jewish groups.

- http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3334905,00.html

"El Al does not fly in principle on Shabbat but there have been instances that it is forced to move passengers and has done so." The spokesperson said the religious and haredi market made up approximately 20% of El Al's customer-base with the New York, London and Brussels routes dominating the market.

- http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881832548&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vonfraginoff (talk • contribs) 15:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

"El Al no longer has an official policy" - did El Al ever have an official policy? I thought that it was an unofficial agreement that was respected but was not signed by contract, etc. Sagtkd 22:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Logo

Does anyone have a copy of the new El Al logo? Flymeoutofhere 09:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Done! (truth be told, I like the old one better...) --DLand^TALK 14:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

True, the new one looks...tacky. Any chance of putting the old one back somewhere in the article? --Gunny01 05:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

OK - So how about we put in a brief history of the logo - how it has developed? Flymeoutofhere 09:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] El Al at Heathrow

Does anyone know what El Al's location at Heathrow will be next year after the opening of Terminal Five, and the movement of most airlines. Theoretically, all non-alligned carriers are going to Terminal Four, however, are El Al? This morning an article in Globes, [2] says that El Al is opening a new business lounge at Heathrow this year which seems odd if they are going to move just a few months later. Also, would El Al be alongside other carriers from countries such as Iran, Syria, Lebanon etc in T4? Flymeoutofhere 13:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Security

The assertion that El AL addresses potential threats on the three-tier basis of Jewish, Western, and Arab may be misleading. Having lived in Israel for more than six years, my understanding is that the three-tier system is as follows: Italic textIsraeli, non-Israeli, or Arab.

[edit] Controversy Section

This is getting ridiculous - we need to have a vote on whether it should or should not be included in the article:Flymeoutofhere 18:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

• Exclude-Irrelevant , adding a political aspect to a non-political article.Flymeoutofhere 18:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
• Exclude-Per above. --יהושועEric 21:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
• Exclude-Per above.S234 06:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
• Exclude-Per above.87.68.229.69 16:32, 23 March 2007 (IST)
• Exclude-Per above.194.153.102.240 16:33, 23 March 2007 (IST)

OK - I think we've reached a consensus - if it is added again, I think we should go through the vandalism procedure because this comes under the definition of vandalism given by WP:Vandalism as "any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia." Flymeoutofhere 10:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I absolutely disagree - I think that a controversy section provides a neutral point of view to this article. There is no political aspect at all, rather, this article is incredibly biased because a section about non-Jews' views is not accepted, especially given that there are credible sources cited (ABC Asia Pacific [which is the national Australian network], Arab Association for Human Rights [funded by the European Union i.e. not 'terrorist-linked', and The Center Against Racism). It is absolutely absurd that one tries to use the excuse that because this is a company's article page, passengers' comments should not be added. This is just as stupid as not allowing there to be comments on a tobacco company's article about protests by anti-smoking groups against the company. This is also definitely NOT vandalism, rather an unfair manipulation of this page by very biased people. 218.102.175.204 05:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

218.102.175.204, I totally agree with you. There is sufficient evidence that there is indeed racist passenger profiling taking place against Arab passengers about to travel on El Al flights. I think that it is totally unfair that this article has been manipulated to give an unfair, one-sided view. With every hope that a fair article can be made, Ghfj007 05:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It is and will remain a non-political article. Get over it.

[edit] Merge

Support - --יהושועEric 00:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] El Al + O'Hare = ???

Is it true that El Al will no longer be serving O'Hare after sometime in April this year? G-d forbid that happens!

P.S. I don't live in Chicago, but this sounds like relatively big news!

I LOVE AIRPLANES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 23:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It is true.