Talk:Aeneas

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I think this article could use a clean up and perhaps a combining of some information with that of Aeneid

The Dardains are in fact the troyans, Dardano is consideres the first father of the troyans sometimes greeks used the name of the founder to name the citicens, even tougth the founder's name is not the same as the city (for example Tebes wich founder is cadmus, people were often called cadmeus ot Atenas wich it's founder was cecrope)

Contents 1 removed material 2 Legendary rôle? 3 Relationship to Priam (vandalism?) 4 names of deities

[edit] removed material

I removed wife Creusa from the list of his companions because as I recall she never made it out of Troy alive.

I removed (because not about Aeneas except tangentially): On the coast of Lucania, Aeneas' helmsman, Palinurus, fell asleep and dropped into the water. He swam to shore but was killed by the Lucanians. Mt. Palinuro is named after him.

I removed that Mars was the father of Romulus and Remus (should be in their article).

RJFJR 03:05, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

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shouldnt somebody decide whether his mother is aphrodite or venus?

or are they the same person?

Venus is her Latin name, Aphrodite the Greek one.

[edit] Legendary rôle?

The article states that "[he] founded of the city that would one day become Rome". I thought he founded the Roman people, and that Romulus and Remus founded the city itself, or am I being silly? Are the two legends even compatable? --Oldak Quill 16:43, 1 Jun 2005 (UT

Aeneas merged with the Latin race and Romulus and Remus would later descend from him. --Must WIN 01:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The article cares a lot about the myths but not says the archeological findings of the story and the real sources. Enea was something more than the historians of the greek histroy wants to clame. The italian sources and many others try to explain in detals what enea did in after the fall of Troy.

If you have the "Italian sources," by all means, put the information in. That's what Wiki is for. WBardwin 23:33, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Relationship to Priam (vandalism?)

A vandal made this change to the article. The article now says Aeneas is the cousin of Priam (in the first paragraph) and the son of Priam (in the second paragraph). Interestingly, the Priam article makes no mention of Aeneas. Can someone resolve this? -- Cjensen 22:15, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] names of deities

This article mixes use of Greek and Roman names, even using multiple names for single deities(i.e. Venus and Aphrodite; Jupiter and Zeus). Someone should convert all the names to either Greek or Roman counterparts, preferably Roman since Aeneas is more important in their history. (unsigned contribution)

I vote for Greek names, as the story begins with the Iliad. WBardwin 00:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

But the Aeneid uses Roman deities, not Greek. Use whichever deity the original source of the myth used, be it Greek or Roman (or both); Greek and Roman deities are not completely synonymous, that's why the major ones have separate articles. -Silence 00:13, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

It should probably be using Greek names when refering to Aeneas written by the Greeks such as in the Iliad, and using the Latinized names when refering to Virgil or other Latin writers. Not much is written about Aeneas from the Greek perspective (though a lot more could be) in this article so most of the names should be Latinized. By the way shouldn't the accounts of the Greek myth Aeneas and the Latin myth Aeneas be seperated in different sections because they are two seperate mythologies? The stories were written centuries apart and in my opinion Greek Myth should not be thrown in together with Roman Myth as they are two seperate things.

My vote would be in for the Roman names. Certainly, Aeneas is first introduced as a character in The Iliad, but his subsequent exodus from Ilium and founding of a new city in Italy for which he is most famous were parts of Roman mythology. Our primary source for the Aeneas is the national epic of the Roman People, in Latin of course, by Publius Vergilius Maro, and much of what we consider essential parts of Aeneas's story such as his tryst with Dido or rivalry with Turnus were most probably inventions of Vergil himself. Thus, because Aeneas is much more an integral part of Roman mythology, and because our primary source for his story is in Latin, it would certainly make sense that the names the Gods should be in Latin.

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