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[edit] Happy New Year!
[edit] E-petition to the PM
I'm inviting you, as a fellow British Wikipedian, to sign the following e-petition to the Prime Minister.PJHaseldine 18:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Welcome back
Happy new year. --Dweller 11:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- Happy new year - may your turkey be eaten and your presents requiring new batteries..... --Mcginnly | Natter 14:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
- Re a post you made about an evening's festivities, my email is enabled should you wish to enquire. KillerChihuahua?!? 17:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Redlinks
Ah, well I hadn't hit anything your list for a while (although looking at it now there's at least one common one left, Sophie Blanchard, and if The Lawyer in your list is the The Jurist (painting) I got that too). Welcome back, by the way. Yomanganitalk 20:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] FAR Henry VIII of England
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[edit] Summer of four captains
Hi ALoan. Some time ago, you were kind enough to prompt for this article to be a DYK. User:Budgiekiller and I are now working to promote the article to GA status. This is a first for both of us and I'd appreciate it if you gave us guidance (I'm not looking for you to do all the work, just keep an eye and be the generally useful chap you normally are). Also, please take a look at my talk page, where Tintin has raised concerns about the article name. I think it would be a great shame if we need to change it to something more mundane, so I've posted at the WP:CRIC talk page asking for help. Cheers, --Dweller 09:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Unwritten list?!?
I have enough trouble trying not to step on your toes with the written one! Four Times of the Day is on my list, and I was considering adding Before and After as that is a great set. I don't want to get in a Hogarth rut though, so I won't come back to them for a while. I don't know why I moved The Four Stages of Cruelty away from The...one of those things when you get a mistake fixed in your mind as the right title - I'll move it back. Hogarth's own book which is available on Google Books is very complete with commentries from both him and others - it gives alternatives for the figure of John Gourlay in Harlot (whom I saw was on your list) - John Gover, or Anthony Henley. Help yourself from my list (I haven't got much on any of those you picked out, apart from Torrey scale which needs a lot of work to pull out an article from all the technical bunk). Yomanganitalk 15:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- Heh - that got you worrying :)
- I have "done" a few of the Hogarth series before (Industry and Idleness, Marriage à-la-mode, A Rake's Progress, A Harlot's Progress) but I have to say that you have done Cruelty very well. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- Now we really are clashing - James Maclane :( - I'll merge my bit to yours. Yomanganitalk 17:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject British crime
{{WP British Crime Invitation}}
[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Tremayne Rodd, 3rd Baron Rennell, was selected for DYK!
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On January 14, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tremayne Rodd, 3rd Baron Rennell, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 00:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Mandy Mitchell-Innes, was selected for DYK!
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Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 15:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
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Many thanks again ALoan. I also brought some spam for you. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 FA appeal for articles related to the 2007 Cricket World Cup
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[edit] Bill O'Reilly
Even though you're a meatpuppet trying to build a false consensus, I will address you as well. The sheer magnitude of the commentator's notability over the cricketeer's notability means that it is more convenient overall for everyone to have the commentator own the primary article "Bill O'Reilly". The practice of giving one person who is much more notable than everyone else ownership to the article name is common in every other situation. I guess you also believe that George Washington should redirect to George Washington (disambiguation)? Fistful of Questions 15:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- Gosh! As far as I am aware, that is the first time I have been called a meatpuppet. Our definition of "meatpuppet" (see Sockpuppet (Internet)#Meatpuppet) is
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- While not the oldest account on the block, you might observe that I have been around for some time. I even participated in the previous discussion about disambiguation and redirects on Talk:Bill O'Reilly, well before your recent intervention. So please lay off the personal attacks.
- Rather than asserting that everyone who disagrees with you is somehow "false", it would be more productive if you could please demonstrate consensus for your proposed changes. It should be relatively easy to do so, if you are right to say that the "sheer magnitude" of the commentator's notability makes him "infinitely more notable" than the cricketer.
- For what it is worth, I am not sure that "more notable" is the relevant test here: notability is relevant to whether a topic is encyclopedic (and thus eligible to have a Wikipedia article) or not (and thus liable to be deleted). In this case, both are clearly notable. The question is whether one is clearly the "primary topic" (as it is called in Wikipedia:Disambiguation). Many people outside the US have not heard of the commentator, but have heard of the cricketer; in the US, I understand that the position is the opposite way around. On that basis, neither person is the "primary topic", so a disambiguation page is the right result.
- Your question may just be rhetorical, but I would say that the first US president is clearly the primary topic for George Washington, so I would not quibble there. But what about John Smith or Mercury - would you agree that both are pretty clear cases for disambiguation on the main page? -- ALoan (Talk) 16:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] DYK!
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On January 15, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Colin Figures, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
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On January 15, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Arthur McIntyre, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 16:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Ken Cranston, was selected for DYK!
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On January 15, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ken Cranston, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 23:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Joyanne Bracewell, was selected for DYK!
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On January 16, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Joyanne Bracewell, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 23:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] DYK!
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On 17 January 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James MacLaine, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
--Savidan 01:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Thank you
Sorry to spam you like this but I want to thanks for all your support. I'm planning to say little more on the subject unless I'm attacked again. I have proved my point about the IRC admin channel, and many people (whose opinion matters to me) now seem to believe all I have ben saying was true. The channel is now thoroughly discredited and will never be a source of power again, and used by anyone of Wikipedian value - it is now basically finished - no one will ever believe a word that emanates from it again, no doubt a few little firecrackers will continue to pop on admins notice boards and such places but I think people can now evaluate such comments for themselves and see them for what they are dying embers of a former power base. Once again thanks for your support in this. I have appreciated it. Giano 10:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Creds
Please, don't forget to credit contributors to DYK? cheers, Camptown 21:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WikiProject British crime
{{WP British Crime Invitation}}
Yes, thanks for inviting me, again, anonymous person, but no thanks. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Award
Dear ALoan - Regarding the notes on my talk page - can you please help Giano to see the picture I placed as an award for him? Did I mess up the formatting? Please feel free to improve it. I have let him know that I have requested your help; please could you check and sort this? (When you say, "Works for me - do you mean you can see it on his user page? And what does your Seven Subarus reference mean?) Thanks and Happy New Year. -- FClef (talk) 18:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, just me being elliptical/obscure. Pleiades = (in Japanese) Subaru = Seven Sisters ↔ Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
ALoan, thank you for choosing Sharon Belton for DYK today. The blue artwork is by User:AdiJapan and it might look something like a George Braque. Best wishes. -Susanlesch 23:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- No problem - it was on the suggestions page, I couldn't see any problems with it, so I selected it for the next updates page. It was Nishkid64 who copied it over to the Main Page template -- ALoan (Talk) 10:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] First Flagraising picture
ALoan... Hi, I noticed that you put up a pic of the first Suribachi flagraising. I added some names to the ones you had. Here is an interesting site I think you should see. This guy has some pretty good proof that some of the men in the picture are not who they were identified as. I'll let you look at it and perhaps we can decide if we should edit the article (Louis Charlo was not there) and the pic's caption. This site has a slightly wider version of the picture that perhaps should be put on the page in the place of the one there now. Let me know at my talk page what you think.
http://carol_fus.tripod.com/marines_hero_ray_jacobs.html
Sir Rhosis 22:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, already took care of this. See new pic and captions by Raul654. Sir Rhosis 23:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I just noticed that photo on an article for one of the Marines involved, and thought it should be used more widely. I can't identify any of them myself, I am afraid, but I thought Raul654 would have a point of view :) -- ALoan (Talk) 10:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Elisabeth Rivers-Bulkeley on DYK
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Thank you for your contributions. — ERcheck (talk) 15:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Late Night...
...why did you make 'Maudlin' redirect to 'sentimentalism'? Moz fan much? :) --Soonlaypale 07:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Um, because "maudlin" means something like "[excessively and tearfully] sentimental"[1] and I can't see how you would write an sensible article for the term on its own. Feel free to prove me wrong. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Nelson (cricket)
I wondered if you thought this had the makings of a DYK? --Dweller 09:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hi - yes, potentially, but it is desperately short at the moment. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
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On 23 January 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Peter Prendergast (artist), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
--Yomanganitalk 10:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
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On 23 January 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Opus Majus, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
--Yomanganitalk 18:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Harold G. Schrier, was selected for DYK!
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On January 24, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Harold G. Schrier, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 15:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Alfred Mynn
Thanks for expanding the article. Just one thing that I would query: He was a very large man by any standard, bearing comparison with WG Grace. This suggests that they were of comparable size, but I suspect that Mynn was considerably the heavier. I don't know how much Grace weighed at his heaviest, but I'd guess it was in the region of 250 pounds. How about saying "even larger than WG Grace"? (In my initial draft, I put in a comparison of Mynn with Botham but - as you might have gussed - BlackJack soon whipped that out. :) JH 18:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- No problem - the article just caught my eye. I interpreted "very large" not just as a reference to physical size, but also to impact on the game. I added the comparison because Mynn dominated cricket in the mid-1800s like Grace did later. Both were also tall and heavy (admittedly Mynn was taller and heavier than Grace). The wording could be made more explicit.
- I don't think Ian Botham is really a valid comparison either way, to be honest - neither as large nor as dominant. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- This article has Mynn at 18-20 stone and The Doctor at 14-18. Tintin 19:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Crossword
Like it. Is it tloaf? Yomanganitalk 23:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
- Close - Tbuns, actually. (I wonder if Terry Pratchett's dwarfs speak Klingon...) -- ALoan (Talk) 23:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
I've made my first ever nom. Please take a look ([2])... I found the instructions quite bureaucratic and may have screwed up! The article is older than 5 days, but I expanded it from stub during that time, so think it qualifies on that score. --Dweller 10:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- To be honest, it is a little short for my taste, but I see it has already been on the Main Page, so well done :) To nominate, just add the suggested DYK text underneath the heading for the date when the article was created/expanded. Someone will probably move it or copyedit it if it is not quite right. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Thanks. Do you mean the article from which the DYK derived was a little short? --Dweller 12:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] flypast
Dear ALoan - you'll remember me as the creator of this. RJASE1 has nominated it as a Good Article and put it up for peer review. He also placed it on the Military History Project in Start Class (on their assessment scale) and then raised it to Class B.
That's all well and good. However Looper 5920 has reversed the second move and attacked what he perceives as a UK bias in the article. I worry that the article will lose its character and original focus. I am particularly upset because it had an ENTIRE section on internationality and I did struggle to incorporate everything I could find.
Would you please support the article as a Good Article candidate and join the discussion at talk:flypast and lend whatever support and muscle you can.
Thanks. --FClef (talk) 02:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well, good luck, but I don't really believe in the WP:GA process, nor to I care too much about article assessment. I would have suggested that you try to reach consensus on the contents of the article on its talk page, but you seem to be doing that already. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Baron Sinha
I noticed that you created the article for Satyendra Prasanno Sinha, 1st Baron Sinha. I believe his middle name is actually Prasanna. Can you pls confirm this? Thx Stephennt 22:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- Gosh! That was just over 2 years ago! I think I just followed and filled a redlink. I don't have a definitive source for his name, but the NPG, DNB and EB call him "Satyendra Prassano Sinha, 1st Baron Sinha of Raipur".[3] [4] [5] Other sources call him "Prasanna"[6] [7] Probably due to transliteration, but the double S, double N and final letter(A or O) seem uncertain. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] So, my next DYK project...
I've just created and am working to develop Cartago delenda est.
I've dropped a line to the appropriate Wikiproject, so hope for some more expert help.
My question is how large I should aim to get the (currently stub) article before it's DYK material. I appreciate it's still too short to be anything but a promising stub. --Dweller 16:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- Well, to get well over 1,000 characters, you should aim for a lead plus at least three nice paragraphs. Well-sourced and referenced, of course, and well-illustrated, if possible. I'm not sure whether there is enough to write about Cartago delenda est, but just prove me wrong!
- Perhaps the best thing to do it look through some of the recent successful ones in the DYK archives for the past few weeks. Of my own recent ones, Opus Majus is arguably on the short side, Peter Prendergast (artist) is just about over the break point, and Harold G. Schrier is fine. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Michael Nolan, Baron Nolan, was selected for DYK!
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On January 29, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Michael Nolan, Baron Nolan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 19:05, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Jack Sheppard
It seemed a little light on images (I can't read, ooh, pretty picture!) I added a fairly ropey pic which looks OK as a thumb. There's this one too, but I can't see an obvious place to add it Image:Jack sheppard.jpg. Yomanganitalk 12:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- ...and a couple more Image:Jacksheppard-escape.jpg (escape route from Newgate) and Image:Jacksheppard-play.gif (picture of characters from one of the plays). Yomanganitalk 13:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Thanks - all contributions gratefullly received. One of the Cruikshanks would be particularly nice :) -- ALoan (Talk) 14:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- They seem mostly to be fuzzy thumbnails. This is the best I could find: Image:Jacksheppard-drunk.jpg Yomanganitalk 14:57, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks - all contributions gratefullly received. One of the Cruikshanks would be particularly nice :) -- ALoan (Talk) 14:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mary Seacole
Long list of articles? Lay it on me, baby, and I'll check out what we have. Victorian Studies is available from 1999. Bishonen | talk 17:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC).
- Sorry for not replying before. I have a long list (an electronic version with manuscript comments). Let me amend the electronic version and I will e-mail it.
- Thanks again for the JS article - interesting stuff. I had not previously realised quite how popular the Sheppard story became on the back of Ainsworth's novel. Newgate novel is still redlink. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dürer's Rhinoceros
As a reply to the message you left on my discussion page, you are welcome. If you had rather discuss in English here, no problem (except for MY English). :-) --Ginolerhino 19:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Road to Tyburn
I hope you got the e-mail with the full bibliographic information on the book. Had I known we were underway, and granted I should have, and if I had my mind right and properly tuned, I'd have done some scans. The Thornhill portrait, for example, is in the book, and it remains only for some clever Cletus like me to run a scanner on it. Geogre 22:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- Really, really, really: I will. I will bring the book to the scanner today/tomorrow morning. Geogre 11:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Belated thanks for the e-mail. I would be really really really grateful for some better images :) Even more so if you could add a few cites from your sources to satisfy the FAC crowd (for example, it has been suggested that Howson should be in further reading because there are no inline cites). qp10qp has added some nice quotes from contemporary sources. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, Howson... uh... could I now recall specific page numbers for specific references? I'm not so sure. I could give a page range, of course. If that satisfies, then fine. The Road to Tyburn not only has the Thornhill portrait (painted the month of his execution), but also... the George Cruikshanks! (No Isaac Cruikshanks, I'm afraid.) Geogre 14:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
- Hey! I finally got off my duff part way. I have more, more, more, like the upper and lower leads by Geo Cruikshanks, but this is one that I've done. The file name is J-Sheppard-Thornhill.png. Geogre 13:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Why isn't it an FA? Weird. I also have a picture of one of the criminal accomplices from The Road to Tyburn. The thing about that book is that it's... it's... well, it's scholarly, but it mainly draws from contemporary sources, so it's sort of the masterplot of all 1724-1729 accounts of Sheppard. Geogre 11:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Linkboy
Well, I suppose you had to knock one off my list sooner or later. Amazingly scant information on them though isn't there? Moon curser may have been a generic term for them, as the appearance of the moon meant their services weren't required. Yomanganitalk 17:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- And penny lick too. Sorry, could not resist. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Right, I'm definitely doing Newgate novel now. Yomanganitalk 18:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- ...and Tomlin order, I'll have to start one of those unwritten lists. Yomanganitalk 18:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Bleak House, an example of early detective fiction? It has a detective in it, but wouldn't The Moonstone be a better example? (not that Cuff is particularly impressive as detectives go, mind) Yomanganitalk 15:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, nice. I am led to believe that Signore Gatti was the first street vendor of ice cream in London, and thus notable. I wonder if Mr Whippy gives American viewers entirely the wrong impression of British ice cream... -- ALoan (Talk) 11:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
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I am not sure if I should mention it in this context, but Blair babe / Blair babes / Blair Babe / Blair Babes are all redlinked... -- ALoan (Talk) 17:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] RBPs - FFas
Left you a note on the talk page; don't want to keep working if I'm doing it wrong - let me know if I'm on the right track. [8] SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- In case I'm not making sense, my brain is toast from these templates - let me know where we stand. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] A. E. J. Collins
No problem. It's an interesting article, and I have access to that source, so I thought I'd do a quick search and see what came up. Angmering 13:16, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] West Indian cricket team in England in 1988
Now, aren't you a lovely man? --Dweller 17:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. :) Finding out interesting snippets to add to articles the only really justification for WP:CRIQ. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Hi ALoan. We're still waiting for the editors at GA to approve or otherwise. In your experience, do you think the article's a long way short of FA? My hunch is images would become a big problem for FA. --Dweller 09:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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Hi. I wonder if you'd consider re-rating the article for WP:CRIC? Rambling Man gave it his initial view, but a) I think he'll happily admit to not being a cricket expert b) the article is much improved since then and c) it would be somewhat immodest for him to give it a super rating, having contributed so much to it :-) Cheers --Dweller 10:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Not an expert? How dare you! I'm a qualified cricket scorer! The Rambling Man 11:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- Just seen this. lol. --Dweller 11:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- Not an expert? How dare you! I'm a qualified cricket scorer! The Rambling Man 11:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Cricket World Cup
Hey, can you please copyedit this article? It is up for FA nomination. It has went through some changes and now the only issue that it might face is the language. So can you please have a look at the article? Thank you--Thugchildz
Thank you--Thugchildz
- You are welcome - it is quite good.
- BTW - best practice is to sign with four tildes, thus: ~~~~, so the date and time of your comment are added too. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't know, fairly new to wiki but it's proabably like your situation though--Thugchildz
Eh? -- ALoan (Talk) 23:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] DYK and FLC
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Hello ALoan. A last hurrah before the new rules take effect! Anyway, could you please take a look at WT:FLC? I think it might be time to get a bit tougher on the promoting procedures, since I think there may be issues coming up in the future, with the apparent increase in group voting and also socks being used to promote dubious nominations etc. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
- Shame - I will have to make do with boring pages, like Fiona Jones, Bryan Pearce and Jane Bolin. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Coadulations!
Congratulations, ALoan. I'm sure Jack the Lad is free at last. Geogre 03:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty ... oh, that is something different, isn't it... Barack Obama for President? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:25, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Late reply
Thanks for the note on my talk page, ALoan; sorry for the late reply. I was determined to get through the old FAC archives and finish the articlehistory conversion work Gimmetrow and I started—but, not to be; I called it quits when I finished 2006. Seems I was interrupted a gazillion times today while I was up to my eyeballs in archives and templates, and that chore stretched my focus. Anyway, no, I've never thought of you as a "poker" at all; besides, you've always been involved at FAC and FAR. In matters such as these, I care much less about who started what or who did what or said what to whom, and much more about who Just Stops It. I simply fail to grasp the value in obsessing over ASCII characters. You were a stopper—that's A Good Thing :-) Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, Sandy. In my view, there is a time for starting and a time for stopping. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- Some of us used to be involved at FAC every single day, until it became "have you fulfilled form 3b subhash 9 for footnote citational format? have you had someone else copy edit? we must reject without reading until our requirements are met." Once indefatiguable-because-incurious people took up residence, trying to substitute blind templates for sense and education, we decided that what they were interested in was their own power, not quality. Well footnoted Half Life 2 was an FA with the following in the lead, "it was released to near unanimous praise." That glares. Reading is time consuming, but it's important. Geogre 14:23, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Oh, the odd prose people? Yes. The "this adverb formation should never be employed according to my teacher" folks miss the point, if the not the boat. When you look at a bridge under a microscope, you'll think it can't hold your weight. Geogre 12:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
And now the stub people have driven off BlackJack (one of Wikipedia's best cricket contributers) after chastising him for taking the bull by the horns and trying to organise the cricket stubs without their prior approval. Honestly - all these petty satrapies. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] The C word
Some interesting speculation on Geogre's page; partly explains why I don't usually engage, as people generally have a tendency to form their own ideas regardless of the truth.
Anyway, I saw your mention of the "copyright" issue there. I'm here to offer my help, since my writing on multiple articles has been lifted by for-profit websites, giving no credit or mention to Wikipedia. Wiki has a page for reporting this type of violation, standardized form letters that can be sent, and its usual inability to really do anything about it—it's up to us as volunteers to do all the letter writing and followup, of course. If you're interested, I'll have to go back in history to dig up the pieces and places. I gave up, and decided it went with the territory, since I don't have time to deal with it. Considering that the articles I wrote were lifted for blatant profit motives, and are still live on the 'net, I wouldn't hold out much hope that anything will be done when it's a newspaper, which is arguably at least "educational". On the other hand, it may make you feel better to write the letters; perhaps the newspaper doesn't know it has a plagiarizing writer on staff. Let me know if you want me to dig into history to find all the pieces and places. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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- That's good, because the prospects aren't promising. Ping me if you want me to dig up the info. I should probably go do it anyway, and see if any progress has been made on my cases (<ugh>). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Giano - I have said several times that I think Sandy could have handled it better. None of us gets to declare what is or is not the truth, although we all have opinions. I think we all have the right to disenage, whenever we want to. One of the behaviours that makes this process work is knowning when to give up and compromise. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
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- I guess you are right ALoan <nod head wisely> writing the encyclopedia is paramount importance above all else - I have no time <sigh> for your red list <yawn> too drowning in my own list <gulp>. I'm not going to engage with you on why prolific editors leave, as you know quite well why that is <firm look in the eye> and you are just going to have to stand up and be counted and shout about it - or put up and shut up - Now sorry, I must get back to my work <sigh> Giano 14:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Jack
Here's one of these. (But I once committed the faux-pas of giving a Christmas card to a Jehovah's Witness, so if this falls into that category, please crumple discreetly behind one's back.)
By the way, I notice you are into new-article stubs, etc., so what do you think about one on John (Jack) Hall? I came across him when looking into A Just View of the British Stage. Jenny Uglow says, "Hogarth showed Booth dangling a little figure down a hole—a puppet of John Hall, the 'Chimney Sweeper', hanged in 1707 and famous for escaping from Newgate by squeezing into the sewers through the privies". If that's not notable, I don't know what is. qp10qp 09:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Cricket Quiz
As it was Thoms and McDonald, please sooth the savage beasts at the Quiz page by asking one of your famous curly questions. --Roisterer 22:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Ann Ebsworth, was selected for DYK!
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[edit] Image
I saw it wasn't there so I uploaded it and now I see why it wasn't there (so there is now an uppercase and lowercase copy). Yomanganitalk 13:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I could have unprotected it, moved it, and reprotected it, but it was easier to change JPG to jpg. I've changed DYK back to rely on the JPG one. No need for two. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] DYK addition
Thanks for adding Aerotel v Telco and Macrossan's application to the DYK. Must say that came as a surprise following the negative feedback. GDallimore 13:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- :) you going to have the chance to help expand it as per the talk page's to do list? The more people with familiarity the better and it's one of the few articles I've worked on that I feel has a chance of getting to FA status since there's a clear beginning middle and end to it all (except for the ongoing EP prosecution). GDallimore 09:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Marlborough
Hi, Would you believe adding the death of John was on my list to-do but forgot all about it. I'm currnetly making some ammendments (hopefully improvements) to the article.
Thanks for converting all those curly apostrophes - that looked exhausting.
Anyway I'll get back to you at/by the weekend and you can assess the changes. However, I fear it will be impossible to please everyone with this article. As you know the subject matter is just too BIG - maybe too big to do him justice in an encyclopedia article - but I thought it worth the attempt.
Others will decide if i pull it off - although the article seams to have attracted little attention. Oh well. Thanks for your help anyway. Talk to you soon. Raymond Palmer 16:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- It is a massive topic, but the article is really very good, I think, and quite well balanced in its coverage of his life. Sorry for bombarding the FAC with queries, but they are just questions or comments that leap out from my reading :) If it can be tidied up, I am sure it will pass FAC. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
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- The other changes are in the last section.Raymond Palmer 20:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Colin McDonald and George Thoms
One of the articles was a bit stubby and the other one was borderline. Come on, the article was <2KB if you removed the infobox. When we have double-headers, both articles should be non-stubby, not just one. Nishkid64 20:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 3-in-1 DYK!
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- Oh! Just missed them on the Main Page :( Never mind. Thanks for the notification :) -- ALoan (Talk) 09:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
Hi ALoan,
Thanks for your help. I was about to rm those entries from the suggestions page when you did. I hadn't noticed the page move in the history of the Act of Independence of Lithuania and I've removed Lyman Reed Blake and replaced it with subtropical ridge, because its entry is older.
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[edit] Is Wikipedia yellow press?
Consider the proposed version of DYK fact from [13]:
- ...that original Act of Independence of Lithuania (pictured), which was sign in February 16, 1918, is not found till present day? Contributed by user:M.K, user:Novickas, user:Renata3. Moved from sandbox to main space today. Alternatives are welcome. M.K. 17:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- ...that the original document of the Act of Independence of Lithuania (pictured), which was signed on February 16, 1918, is still being searched for by historians? -- I think this rephrase sounds better. The older one was filled with a few grammatical errors, and it gave the impression that the document was found recently. Nishkid64 22:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
- Much better, but maybe we should drop document, because Act=document. M.K. 21:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)"
- ...that the original document of the Act of Independence of Lithuania (pictured), which was signed on February 16, 1918, is still being searched for by historians? -- I think this rephrase sounds better. The older one was filled with a few grammatical errors, and it gave the impression that the document was found recently. Nishkid64 22:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
This was OK in my opinion. However, your update of DYK template, for some reason was very much different:
"...that the original Act of Independence of Lithuania (pictured), signed on February 16, 1918, has been lost since the Soviet Union invaded Lithuania in 1940?"
According to the article, the duplicate disappeared after 1940, while nothing is known on the original - it might had disappeared in the period 1918-1940. I really don't want to think, that such admin's actions were just to "make hot news"... Cmapm 22:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- I saw this, and I fixed up the entry. It seems it was just a minor misinterpretation. No harm intended by ALoan. Nishkid64 22:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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Oh dear - sorry, my mistake. I thought the original wording was a little loose and was trying to tighten it up a little. I looked through for the last date when its location was known (clearly everyone knew where it was in 1918!) and saw the mention of the Soviet invasion in 1940. I did not read carefully enough to see that there were two copies, and one disappeared before 1940. If I have spotted that, I would have amended it to say:
- ...that the two original copies of the Act of Independence of Lithuania (pictured), signed on February 16, 1918, have not been seen since the Soviet Union invaded Lithuania in 1940?
It is a lovely article, by the way, so well done. And what is a yellow press? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:15, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, "scandal-mongering, sensationalism, jingoism or other unethical or unprofessional practices by news media organizations or individual journalists"! Well, I am not a journalist or media organisation; and the idea of a hook is that it should be interesting! -- ALoan (Talk) 12:10, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] A mention in dispatches...
See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/West Indian cricket team in England in 1988 --Dweller 10:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tintin's question
Please see Tintin's question at Wikipedia:Peer review/West Indian cricket team in England in 1988. Thanks --Dweller 11:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ah. I see you've fixed this. Thanks. --Dweller 11:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Moider
If you have a spare few minutes could you look over Red Barn Murder, (peer review request). I'm sure you can uncover some hitherto hidden source of information, as you normally do in about 10 minutes after I've spent weeks searching. (Jack Sheppard gets a mention near the end...and before you grab that juicy redlink, I've already started in on penny gaff). Cheers, Yomanganitalk 13:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- Care to swap with the Towpath murder?
- Hardly of the highest qualify, but this is interesting, and there is the Newgate Calendar, not to mention a portrait of Corder at the NPG. And here is a ballad. And an image of Maria's ghost showing where the body is hidden here. And this in The Independent about Curtis. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:39, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- I like the constructive use of evidence in the towpath murder case! The Curtis article in the Independent caused me problems as it is half-fiction half-report, so in the end I left it out. There are so many images available that I didn't bother with the ghost one, though it might make a nice addition ( what I really want is a photo of the death mask from the museum in Bury St. Edmunds but I can't see that qualifying under fair use). Yomanganitalk 13:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Never mind - your new penny gaff sent me on a merry trail.
We have no article for the Rotunda Assembly Room, on Blackfriars Road in Southwark, posssibly the first music hall (later the Britannia music hall or Bijou music hall, I think).[14]
There is an extant Rotunda in Woolwich, now part of the Royal Artillery Museum.[15]
Now, Carlo Gatti, you may remember, was a Swiss immigrant and ice cream purveyor, but it turns out that he sold his ice cream at Hungerford Market, built in 1833, which damaged when the adjoining Hungerford Hall burned down in 1857; surprisingly, Gatti was insured (coincidence?) and used the monies to build a music hall on the site, then later sold it to South Eastern Railway in 1862, and it became Charing Cross station.[16] -- ALoan (Talk) 15:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, glad I wasn't the only one who couldn't find it (I spent 20 mins on Harris' Lists the other day before discovering we already had an article hidden away..which reminds me I must make a redirect for that). There was a rotunda at Ranelagh Gardens (painted twice by Canaletto), but it would have been too expensive for penny gaffs otherwise I would have added the picture to the article. Gatti had a licence to take ice from the Thames, and if I find the page where I read that I'll post it. Yomanganitalk 16:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Ah - built for James Parkinson in Albion Place[17] in 1788 to hold Sir Ashton Lever's collection from the Holophusikon until the collection was sold at auction in 1806 - "circular brick building with a conical slated roof";[18] then occupied by the Surrey Institution from 1808 until 1823; then the Rotunda Wine and Concert Rooms from 1826; lectures by the blasphemous Rev Robert Taylor in 1830;[19]; penny ("gaff") exhibitions of waxworks, etc, from 1831-2; then called the Globe Theatre from September 1833 to 1838,[20] and then Britannia Music Hall until 1886.[21] Then a sale rooms or warehouse (?); then demolished in 1945[22] (or 1959 and replaced by United Africa House.[23])
Not to be confused with "Surrey Chapel" built across the road by Rev Rowland Hill, which became a boxing venue known as "The Ring". (this one seems to be doing that) -- ALoan (Talk) 16:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
The London Canal Museum is in the ice house of "famous ice cream maker" Carlo Gatti, near King's Cross....! -- ALoan (Talk) 16:43, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- The rotunda seems to have also been a meeting place of the uppity National Union of the Working Classes whose only "object was by any and every means to possess themselves of the property of others, & to produce general confusion". [24]. I think I might have confused Regent's Canal with the Thames in regards to Signor Gatti before. I can't find any reference to it now. Yomanganitalk 17:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Heiress apparent
The reason I changed the text in John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough is because the Convention Parliament settled the throne on William III and Mary II, then to their heirs, then to Anne. I was under the impression that this included any possible heirs William would father with another wife, should Mary predecease him. If this was so, Anne's place in the succession could have been displaced, though it in fact was not, since William never remarried.
I can't find that in any of the articles, but I'll try to look it up when I get home. Have you read anything that supports this or refutes it? As I said, none of the articles on Wikipedia speak directly to the point, so I may be wrong. Coemgenus 22:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 00:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
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On 18 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tom Cartwright, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
--Carabinieri 07:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
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On 18 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Steven Pimlott, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
--Majorly (o rly?) 20:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- Have you added the changes to Recent additions? And I don't think the image is protected... --Majorly (o rly?) 13:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Chicago Lawn, Chicago
Thanks for the note. I'd been surprised when I couldn't find it anywhere, but did some detective work to figure out what happened. No problem, mate.--Eva bd 16:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Just noticed - your biscuits should go well with Badlydrawnjeff 's Cheshire Mammoth Cheese :) -- ALoan (Talk) 16:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Paul Collingwood
Hi ALoan. Mostly due to User:The Rambling Man's work (not bad for someone who doesn't know a cricket ball from a Space hopper) we're just about ready to nom Paul Collingwood for FA. TRMan has handled everything the peer review threw up and now I'm just slotting in the last bits and pieces of his domestic career to flesh out an important lacuna. Otherwise the biggest obstacle is that the piece desperately needs a copy edit and I hoped you might be able to do that for us, please, pretty please, you're very good at it. --Dweller 09:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Verily, thou art a collossus among copy editors. --Dweller 13:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Flattery will get you everywhere :)
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- I have left some comments in the text. Obviously the "{{fact}}" templates need fixing. The "Early and personal life" piece is rather brief - parents? siblings? Did he play school or club cricket? The "caught sub" thing would be nice to include, if we can find a reference. A brief mention of the 3rd and 4th Tests in Australia in 2007 would be good, as it currently leaps from the 2nd to the 5th. And I would swap the World Cup infoboxes for categories - did he actually play in 2003? Otherwise, very nice. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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There seems to have been a monstrous edit conflict when you edited the article, much of which you've now fixed. However, there's still some outstanding. I'd do it myself, but I don't want to create another conflict... are you still on it? Also, some specific issues:
- I don't understand the template comment, but assume TRMan does.
- I'll work on the personal life. Tintin found some useful snippets.
- I disagree with the need for the sub catches issue. As my edit summary said, with lots of official uns, wickets and catches in the bag, he's no Gary Pratt, so there's no real need to go searching for a cite on a minor accomplishment. Happy to be convinced otherwise...
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- World Cup boxes have been applied to all of those players by another editor, who seemed reluctant to make them consistent (2003 is captain, vice captain, alpha order. 2007 is by "batting order" apparently)
- Thanks for the compliment!
Cheers, --Dweller 14:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, I thought I had caught all the conflicts - sorry. I am out of the article now. I see what you mean about my template reference - I meant the "{{fact}}" things! And the inconsistency is even more reason to delete those ugly templates. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
No worries, I'll start on the conflicts and then pick up on numbers 2 and 4. Any thoughts on number 3? I'm not sure about the templates - TRMan, what do you think? --Dweller 15:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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On 21 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Eric Jansson, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
--Yomanganitalk 13:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Paul Collingwood
Thank you for your detailed and expert contributions to this article. As ever, you're a star. --Dweller 13:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] DYK
I had little problems following the instructions although someone partly informing the authors threw me off. I think that if it is done, you should inform all of them and not jump to editing something else first. Unfortunately, the computer I'm using at the moment is terribly slow, so popups weren't much help. But I see how the whole process improved. Now I'll go and see about preparing the next update. - Mgm|(talk) 10:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- Could you do the next update? Unless we get another update in today, the item about the saint, a pretty good article too, will expire which would be a shame. - Mgm|(talk) 10:20, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- My problem was mainly getting used to the changed method since I last did it. The method itself posed no problems. I do wonder if images still need protection as the DYK template states since we now have cascading protection. Anyway, I want to do the next update thing to get a feel for it so nothing to worry about. - Mgm|(talk) 10:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
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Did you know? was updated. On 22 February 2007, a fact from the article Robert Adler, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
--ALoan (Talk) 17:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WP:FLC archives
No worries about the re-ordering... I've added a note on the main log pages so that everyone's clear. Tompw (talk) 18:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Dad's Army episodes
I've done what you've requested - can you take another look? I can't find anything about the Christmas Night with teh Stars inserts, but I have referenced them and added an explanation - it might be in one of the books, of which I have only the McCann. RHB Talk - Edits 18:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Gold star
- I thought astronomy had hit the doldrums after Worldtraveller went into retirement, but, gosh, your astronomy articles (and lists!) are a joy to behold.
- You are a fitting recipient this gold star (right) together with the title of my hero for the day, an occasional personal award. Well done. (And apologies if giving you an ex-Soviet honour causes any offence). -- ALoan (Talk) 18:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Never been a socialist, so the award is slightly ironic. ;-) — RJH (talk) 19:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sweet FA
Just wanted to let you know that West Indian cricket team in England in 1988 was promoted to featured article status today. Special thanks for everything you did to help get it there! Next up, Adam Gilchrist! The Rambling Man 20:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks :)
- I have just had to undelete one of User:BlackJack's stubby tour articles - I expanded it too - West Indian cricket team in England in 1980 - not the most exciting tour, but not a whitewash! -- ALoan (Talk) 21:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi ALoan and thanks for all your recent cricket work. I was wondering if you could take a look at Wikipedia:Peer review/Dinesh Karthik and Wikipedia:Peer review/Irfan Pathan. Unfortunately Karthik has no picture and Pathan a fairly useless one, but the information is there and they will be playing. Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi ALoan, can you check your recent cricket related DYK nomination - it says 88, and I think you mean 80. Can you clarify this on the page? Thanks - I wouldn't want you losing out on a DYK due to a typo. LuciferMorgan 03:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I did. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Thank you for the DYK
Thank you for the DYK on the Southern Pacific (band) article. I really appreciate it. Chris 21:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Gilly
Hey, I just wanted to let you know that Adam Gilchrist is currently up for peer review and anything you could do, add, remove, suggest to improve the article for (yet another) WP:FA drive would be very much appreciated. Cheers! The Rambling Man 18:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] West Indian cricket team in England in 1988
Congratulations on West Indian cricket team in England in 1988 becoming featured article and thank you for your hard work on that excellent article.-- Zleitzen(talk) 02:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 3 of your articles on DYK for 25 Feb 2007
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On 25 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Stephen Gardiner (architect), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
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On 25 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Charles Henry Pepys Harington, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
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On 25 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Stephen Gilbert, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thank you for your many contributions! — ERcheck (talk) 05:54, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey good work on the obituaries -gives them the respect they deserve by having quality new articles. Well done! Ernst Stavro Blofeld 16:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks! Obituaries in the "quality" newspapers are like gold-dust as a source, IMHO (I have direct links to the obit sections of the four UK ones on my user page so I can check them frequently). I wish some of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography people would use them to write up more biographical articles, rather than spending so much time tagging articles. Shrug. At least I get to read (and write) about interesting people. Unfortunately, having them all chosen at once meant that I missed seeing them all on the Main Page. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, West Indian cricket team in England in 1980, was selected for DYK!
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On February 26, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article West Indian cricket team in England in 1980, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 00:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Carlo Gatti, was selected for DYK!
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On February 26, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Carlo Gatti, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 18:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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On February 27, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Derek Gardner, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thanks again... there'll be no rest.. Harbhajan Singh will be ready for a copyedit by the time you read this message! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Confirmed. Ready for copyedit. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Whenever you are ready. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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On February 28, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Richard Gordon Wakeford, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
Thanks again ALoan. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll get to the Turbanator sooner or later (perhaps this evening or tomorrow). -- ALoan (Talk) 10:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Slowly but surely, a generation of knowledge is passing beyond our reach - Edward Gordon Jones. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] A comment was accidently removed
I noticed one of Deckiller's comments was removed during your edit here: [26], correct me if I'm wrong. — Indon (reply) — 11:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing it out - it was entirely inadvertant. A silent edit conflict, I am afraid. I have put it back. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The dead!
You will know the answer to this - is there a site somewhere that has all the London Times obits, I am after some-one who may have had one between 1913 and 1960 - probably about 1930. Giano 13:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- I believe there are paid-for sites that contain that sort of information, but I am not aware of a free resource. Who are you looking for? -- ALoan (Talk) 13:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
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On 28 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article West Indian cricket team in England in 1984, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page. |
I think maybe we should start crediting you when you don't have an article on DYK: it will be easier. Yomanganitalk 12:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks :) I only have one on the suggestions page now, actually: MP Norman Miscampbell - I think St Luke's Hospital for Lunatics, Theatres Act 1843, Mai Ghoussoub and Angela King are all a bit too short. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- And the Theatres Act has no references. Tsk Tsk. I've been wasting a lot of time recently trying to find out whether the Jack Hall escape through the privy actually happened: it seems it might have been a bit of wit by Hogarth directed at the state of the London Stage that got taken up as fact, but if true it is too good to write the article without including it (it appears that the Jack Hall in the Newgate calendar is that Jack Hall, and I even found a reference to him as a "cut-price Jack Sheppard"). Does Uglow have any more detail on him (if you still have it)? Yomanganitalk 13:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Our Jack Hall may be the one mentioned in the Newgate Calendar,[28] but there is no mention of the privy there. You might expect that such an exploit would have created a bigger splash. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- The Folklore article remains temptingly out of reach. I did track down a mention that Hogarth portrayed him disappearing down the privy as a comment on the tastes of the London theatre-goers rather than because he had genuinely escaped that way, but I seem to have mislaid it. Unfortunately the Ordinary's reports from the Old Bailey for his hanging, which normally give all the juicy details, aren't online. His moment of fame as an escape artist and wide boy seems to have be eclipsed by the exploits of Jack Sheppard, so there is rather less info on him than I would have hoped. Yomanganitalk 16:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- Our Jack Hall may be the one mentioned in the Newgate Calendar,[28] but there is no mention of the privy there. You might expect that such an exploit would have created a bigger splash. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
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