Talk:Blogger (service)

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Does anybody know where the money for this comes? Is it just the redirects to google news and google adsense?

1 Blogger Features
2 Etymology
- 2.1 It comes from
3 Copyright Violation
4 Blogger Logo Problem
5 blog publishing service != blog hosting service
6 Creator
7 Trivia
8 Blogger membership figures
9 Proposed move to Blogger
10 Blogger redirect, again
11 SPAM
12 Neutrality
13 Picasa?

[edit] Blogger Features

"Direct posting to a Blogger site from Microsoft Word 2007."

Microsoft just seems to use the Blogger API, so I don't think this is a major Blogger feature. There are 100s of other tools that do the same, but they haven't been included have they ? Also wasn't it supposed to be a "Other Features" (of Blogger) section. So removing it.--Milki 00:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology

Does anybody know about the etymology of blogger? Is it indeed "a coined word created by Pyra Labs"? --Christopherlin 07:30, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Ev coined the name for the Pyra service. For a while Pyra was all about "Pyra the app" and Blogger was just a little proof of concept thing they threw together. But the word "blogger" was probably in existence--I was around then but don't remember the chronology. "(We)blog" was a recent coinage; I don't remember if anyone extended it to "blogger" before Blogger but I suspect so. · rodii · 03:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I think blog is a short form of weblog. And from there derived “blogger”.

I believe the primary understanding of the word blogger is someone who maintains a blog, the service provided by Pyra Labs is not that important. In my opinion this should be reflected in the article.

But this article is about blogger.com the web publishing service founded by Pyra labs. If you want to start an article about "the concept of blogger" you could do that--but I suspect it will end up merged with Blog. · rodii ·

[edit] It comes from

blog comes from weblog which comes from web log which comes from a ship captain logging every where they went. 24.184.34.58 04:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC) - and I know what i am talking about.

[edit] Copyright Violation

The last two paragraphs under "History" are virtually identical to those found on the Blogger website. I would fix them were it not for my relative inexperience with these features. Those paragraphs were added August 19th by MySchizoBuddy.

Ocean57 04:05, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blogger Logo Problem

The Blogger logo (the thumbnail) is not working. Somebody please fix it. :)

Fixed --bdud e Talk 07:48, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] blog publishing service != blog hosting service

Am I mistaken in thinking that blogger is not a blog hosting service, but blogspot is? Blogger is the publishing software, and it doesn't care where the hosting service is. I think these should be un-conflated, but I'm not sure exactly how to characterize blogger itself, as opposed to blogspot. --rodii 22:06, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, blogspot redirects to Blogger.com, so clarification could go to that. --Christopherlin 23:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Not sure exactly what you mean by that, but interesting. Will think about it. rodii 02:32, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Right, so blogspot doesn't (yet) have its own article, just a redirect. Blogspot is the hosting service affiliated with blogger.com, so I'm thinking something along the lines of a mention of blogspot in the lead. It's kind of not like how Wordpress.com has a separate article from WordPress, and TypePad from Movable Type. Should blogspot have a separate article, then? --Christopherlin 03:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Blogspot.com is a way for Blogger to distinguish againsts its own sub-domains, such as help.blogger.com etc. --> it's instead of having it like blogger.com/blogspot/username. So, Blogger is web logging system - publishing and hosting. --joec89

We're aware of what blogspot.com is. But since you can use Blogger to publish on non-blogspot sites, they are distinct services. · rodii · 18:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Creator

In the facts and figures box on the left, it says that Blogger was created by Google Inc. Considering that Google only bought the service, doesn't this mean someone else actually created it? Like... blogger?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.131.151.229 (talk • contribs).

No, Blogger was the product, the company was Pyra Labs. · rodii · 11:58, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, fixed--good catch. · rodii · 14:51, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

The Trivia section sounds like an advertisement for Firefox. If it is important to note that Blogger.com is optimized for Firefox, then that should be mentioned somewhere above. But this entire section should be deleted as POV. --mtz206 20:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Be bold! I deleted it. · rodii · 22:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blogger membership figures

Does anyone know how many users Blogger has? --J.L.W.S. The Special One 02:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd love to know. --Scotteh 18:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was do not move. Consensus is to move somewhere besides Blogger. Since that would not require administrator assistance, I am simply closing this. Feel free to continue the discussion as to the correct final location. —Wknight94 (talk) 23:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move to Blogger

[edit] Requested Move

Blogger.com → Blogger … Rationale: All websites are referred to without the ".com" suffix, as is Xanga, MySpace, and Google. The company themselves refer to the company as "Blogger" and never as "Blogger.com". —–- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 09:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

Support Make article "Blogger" with a redirect from "Blogger.com" --mtz206 (talk) 11:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Oppose, In this case, the more common definition of "blogger" (for which there is no current article, but could and probably should be) should take precedence over a website called Blogger. HGB 00:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Oppose, "Blogger" could easily refer to a person who blogs... no necessarily a website called blogger.com. --Pjvpjv 03:02, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment If so, then Blogger should be a disambig for Blogger (person) and Blogger.com or something like that. --mtz206 (talk) 03:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment Not as "Blogger.com", but maybe as Blogger (website)? ALso, please keep in mind that the current "Blogger" link directs to this article.–- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 05:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment I agree - it shouldn't go to "Blogger" but to "Blogger (website)" Alternatively, it could be moved to "Blogspot" as that's how it's refered to by many people (to avoid confusion, and because that's where the actual blogs exist.) --Tim4christ17 09:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

So, are we arguing that Blogger should be an article about "one who blogs", with a {{For2}} tag pointing to Blogger (website)? I'd support that. (Blogspot.com should be a redirect, if anything) --mtz206 (talk) 11:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Three points: (1) I am not sure we have anything encyclopedic (i.e., more than a dicdef) to say about "one who blogs," so I don't see that being a main article. Am I wrong? What would the content of Blogger-the-person be like? (2) Not all Blogger blogs are hosted on Blogspot. (3) I think it should be Blogger (web application) or Blogger (company). Some Blogger users never actually visit the website after they sign up--it's the service that is important, not the site. Let's try to sort this out before we do any moves. · rodii · 14:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Oppose, As said, Blogger could define a person who blogs. --yongblood 17:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Further Comment: Then, I see, there is an overall consensus for changing the name of the article to Blogger (insert something here). I think maybe Blogger (service) is the best - it could then refer to the web service that allows one to make and publish blogs, or the service then the allows people to host their blogs on Blogspot. The problem is actually, I hear much more people say "go to my Blogger" than go to my Blogspot. We should address both of them in one article, -putting them in two seperate ones would be confusing. Also, as another side note, I believe Pyra Labs coined the term "Blogger" before the term came into widespread usage among speakers of the English language - correct me if I'm wrong. Pyra Labs was founded in 1999, and the term "blogger" began to be used widely starting from approximately 2003-2004.–- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 17:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Add any additional comments here:

Just be bold and move it, with an explanation in the edit summary and here. · rodii · 16:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I would move it myself, however there are problems when trying to move it. I believe that an administrator had to first delete the exisiting "Blogger" article, then move it. –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 23:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd say it should be moved to Blogger (website) because it does not have .com in its name and as mentioned above, 'blogger' is a general term for someone who blogs. Perhaps redirect 'blogger' to 'blog' with a 'Blogger redirects here...' top disambiguation on top of blog. In any case, this is a tough one. -newkai | talk | contribs 19:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Blogger redirect, again

Perhaps a better redirect for blogger would simply be to blog (rather than a stub "one who blogs"). Seems more links into blogger would actually want information on blogging in general, not Blogger.com. --MichaelZimmer (talk) 13:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

That's true, and it's a good idea - but here we're trying to determine the moving of the Blogger.com site itself, though the term "blogger" is now of importance as well. Blogging has received so much attention in recent times that any changes made will certainly be really big. Any more ideas? –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 06:16, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I think a dab page is the way to go instead of a redirect. Most people entering that search term will be looking for Blogger the app, I think, and be surprised when they go to blog. How about this as a dab page:

A blogger is someone who maintains a weblog.
Blogger is a weblog publishing service owned by Google.

Something like that. I used kungming's proposed Blogger (service)--makes sense to me. · rodii · 12:47, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, rodii! Blogger.com has now moved and a disambiguation page has been made for Blogger. –- kungming·2 | ^(Talk·^Contact) 16:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Looks sweet! I tweaked the dab page a bit. Thanks for taking the initative on this. · rodii · 17:46, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SPAM

Removed Spam from 74.244.172.242. He/She was trying to promote their own blog in the External Links Section.

Is it possible to protect the External Link Section Alone.--Milki 23:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Calm down, it's just spam; there's a lot of it, and you can't get upset about every instance you come across. Just remove it, warn the spammer, and move on. (No, it's not possible to protect part of a page.) · rodii · 16:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

This whole article seems to sound like a bit of an anti-Blogger tone. I've marked it for Neutrality, feel free to discuss any edits that you think should be made before anyone starts to clean up. P3net 17:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I went back and reread the article, and in retrospect just the short "Problems" section seems to be biased. I've marked just it. Anyone care to rewrite it? P3net 17:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I revised the article, deleted the part in parenthesis because I felt it did not strictly fall under the heading of "Problems", and improved sentences. Anbellofe 23:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Please, I not from yur country. But I know you talk like is big important this thing Blog, Blogger, Bloggiest, when's it going? Is not all same?

BPV786 06:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I concur. The "Problems" section does ring a little biased. The writing sounds puerile to my ears. For example:

"But soon enough, Blogger is working properly and bloggers can resume their blogging activities."

This is great for informal conversation, but writing like this has no business being here. It sounds like an excerpt from a 6th grade composition. I myself am a blogger, and have never heard "bloggered" applied to Blogger. Nor have I heard of stability problems beyond what is normal for a large website. It would be nice to have some kind of citation. At least a human being to say "Yeah, I've experienced this problem and think it's noteworthy."

Can someone please confirm this? If we can't get confirmation of "Problems", I move that the entire section be deleted.

sliver Mon Jan 22 03:54:10 UTC 2007

The "Problems" section is certainly amateurish. However, the use of the "bloggered" expression is easily confirmed by an internet search. A current problem is the "previous posts bug": users who migrate to the new version of Blogger find that the "previous posts" function on an item page lists the most recent ten posts, not the ten posts before the item in question. This can be worked around by changing to hierarchical archives, but only at the cost of losing one's template customizations.

I actually added the point of the new "problems" with Blogger, specifically with the change-over to Blogger Beta, which means that certain features that worked with Old Blogger don't quite work the same, especially when it comes to template editing, but got ditched alongside all the other problems (although it was probably my fault for not citing). Is this worthy? Toquinha 19:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picasa?

I don't see anything here on the integration of Picasa Web Albums. --69.136.111.100 18:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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