Talk:History of Zambia

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Contents 1 Noref deleted 2 Early history 3 Post independense history 4 Split?

[edit] Noref deleted

I have added references to this page, so the noref tag is deleted. The earlier version seems to have been a cut and paste from the US Department of State, so ive added them to the reference list. --Screensaver 19:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early history

I have added some information in this section. I have problems finding any good sources on the period 1500-1800, wich deals with the formation of iron age kingdoms and immigration of different people. Can anyone help? --Screensaver 19:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Post independense history

This section realy needs some development, it leavs out many vital facts. Ive noticed that the article on Kenneth Kaunda is very extensive, and gives a better image of Zambias history than this article. It might be a good starting point to develop this page. --Screensaver 19:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split?

I suggest that we split this articla into seperate parts for different parts of Zambias history, in the same way as most countries history pages (i.e. History of USA). Ive created a suggestion for a template for this, Template:History of Zambia. One important question is where we should split it. My suggestion is:

Early history of Zambia (beggninning of times until Cecil Rhodes) History of Northern Rhodesia (Cecil Rhodes until independence) History of Zambia since Independence (Independence 1964 to present)

Another article of value is History of the Federation of Rfodesia and Nyasaland, wich is not only about Zambia, but of relevance for this topic. My suggestion is that History of Northern RHodesia should cover Northerns Rhodesias history within the union, but the history of the union should be included in the template as well.

To do this, we also need to split the Northern Rhodesia and Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland pages, so they have one page to deal with their history, to be included in this serie, and one page to deal with everything else, as it is with most existing countries.

Suggestions? Ideas? Pro or con? Have your say!

--Screensaver 09:31, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm currently writing the history section on Northern Rhodesia - it may make sense to compare notes. Personally I would say report all discussions on Federation at Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland, together with the history of Federal government; but all territorial history should be with the territories concerned Southern Rhodesia, Northern Rhodesia and Nyasaland. History of Zambia, History of Zimbabwe etc should concentrate on the post-independence history. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 09:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I feel Fys idea is very good: keep the federal history at the CAF article, while territorial history should go to the three components.

Let me add that, as a person with a considerable interest in Zambia, especially its history, I'm very happy to see all this interest for the topic by dedicated editors. If you two have a long term interest in developing the subject, we could create a WikiProject Zambia, and contact Chifumbe and Mungomba, who have written very good stuff, especially the latter, with his fantastic work on Kaunda and Nkumbula.--Aldux 15:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the Kaunda article it really good. A wikiproject Zambia would be interesting - I would surely like to take part in one. My activities on wikipedia are quite unregular, sometimes Im editing a lot, and sometimes Im not doing anything, due too much work with my studies. But when I do something, its mostly related to Africa-topics. Im on!

--Screensaver 08:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Great! I'll ask Fys, Chifumbe and Mungomba what they think of the idea.--Aldux 16:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the plan, I've written a few Zambian articles including a bit on the BSA Company's North-Western Rhodesia and North-Eastern Rhodesia territories, because they were redirecting to Zambia which I thought wasn't helpful. It might be better if you delete the material on these NWR and NER pages and replace with a redirect to NR where the info can be put in its history section.
There is also an article on the Luapula Province border dispute which includes some useful NR history which might be better in an NR page where not specifically on the border issue.
Incidentally I found the distinction between the protectorate status in BSAC days before 1924 and protectorate status after that date to be confused; for instance the article said NR was both a protectorate in 1911 and was made a protectorate in 1924. My understanding is that BSAC protectorate status was legally dubious but official UK government protectorate status had stronger foundations. Rexparry sydney 01:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)