Talk:Incidents at Disney parks
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[edit] Mission: SPACE
I don't understand why the information concerning the green and orange team for Mission: SPACE was moved from the main article. It is not an incident at Disney parks, nor was the concept originally instituted because of any such incident. --Comthought 11:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Body Wars
Body Wars I remember a few years ago in the mid-90s there was a little girl who died riding the Body Wars ride in Epcot.
[edit] Sherrill Anne Hoffman?
I have looked for information regarding the purported 1979 space mountain death but could not find any such account. As stated earlier on ths page, it is probably an urban legend. Anyone care to do more in-depth reasearch? Also, does anyone else find it coincidental that, in 1981, a second man name Guy Cleveland from Northridge, Ohio, died from being struck by a Monorail car? (The first death, in 1966, being of Thomas Guy Cleveland of Northridge, California.) I have also researched this death and found nothing on the second 1981 death. Sounds like vandalism to me. If no one cares to respond to these problems, I'll fix them myself later on when I have time. Feel free to comment Lue3378 09:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC) :I've done an internet search, and found several other sites with the same story on the Space Mountain death, however, if you want to find the truth of the matter, you'll probably have to check out the microfiche at your local library to see if it's true... Snopes doesn't mention it, or the 1981 death... I'm rather inclined to believe that it was an urban legend passed as fact, rather than an actual case of vandalism, or a case of mis-information with the case of the 1981 death..--Vercalos 04:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Can somebody dig up references for Sherrill Anne Hoffman's incident on Space Mountain? The only ones I have located all refer back to Wikipedia. SpikeJones 13:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Item removed from listing. After 4+ months from the request for more information, no citation was provided. SpikeJones 03:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Dead" in the park?
A few times the wording "died (or dead) in the park" is used. I'm curious what others think of that, being as no one has ever been pronounced dead on property. When we use that term, do we mean dead by assumption or certified/declared dead by a medical physician? --Comthought 22:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- It's an urban legend that 'nobody has ever been pronounced dead on property'. Ideally, the blurbs mentioned here need to stick solely to the facts AND include a reference to news reports that have the full details. SpikeJones 01:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Seven unsourced statements
I counted seven unsourced statements in this article. Get moving, people!--Desmond Hobson 22:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC) :technically, some of them come from the first footnote at Snopes, but we should dig up individual references if we can. SpikeJones 03:18, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Update: "six" unsourced statements. SpikeJones 15:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC) Update: "five" unsourced statements. SpikeJones 02:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Update: all listed items contain sources statements. SpikeJones 04:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Death of Javier Cruz
I was wondering if the death of Javier Cruz in 2004 (cast member run over by parade float) should be mentioned in the article? Here is a article that talks about the incident, [1] TheEnlightened 22:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
If you have a reference news article that is still online (instead of one of the many Disney-fan forum and/or blog commentaries about the accident), then please add the impartial, fact-oriented summary with the reference footnote.SpikeJones 03:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Here's one - http://www.wesh.com/news/2842575/detail.html Genevieve312 03:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Arrangement of page
I think the page would give future Disney guests a better impression that Disney's safety standards are very high (In my experience) if the incidents where guests were at fault - stealing, misadventure, trespass etc, were grouped together and another section for incidents where Disney practices or staff were directly at fault. I don't work for Disney, I just think the article gives the impression that deaths and injuries are common, whereas taken out of the millions of guests, the safety record is really very good.--81.105.251.160 15:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I do agree with the suggestion of differentiating (or making more clear) that there is a significant difference between guest negligence, company negligence, and health-related incidents. If you have a suggestion on how to do that, while still keeping the information summarized in a way that we wouldn't be repeating headers, that would be swell. (you can see that's how the article was originally laid out if you view the history list, but it led to an awkward read) SpikeJones 03:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- I also agree with the idea of pointing out that, no, injuries sustained on theme park rides are not always the park's fault. Take the example of the incident in Disney's Typhoon Lagoon. There is no way that that man would have been logically been able to go to a courthouse and win a settlement because Disney didn't tell him that chlorinated water is toxic and should not be drunk. On a different note, i have to speculate that during the part about other Florida parks' incidents, whether or not the author of that section was being one-sided against Disney, because it points out that Disney had such and such accidents, BUT THESE parks didn't! 21:48, 28 February 2007 Krafty 88
- Thanks Krafty, for your input. The opening paragraph does state major reasons that these incidents occurred, but to keep this article encyclopedic in tone I feel that simply stating the facts for each incident without repeating "This one was Disney's fault" and "this one was Joe Blow's fault" over and over screams of POV (only from the aspect of the the writing/tone of the article, not that the information was false). It's not WP's place to judge whether the chlorine man would win or not, just to state that the incident did occur and this was the outcome. As to the paragraph comparing Disney to the other Florida parks, I considered moving the info to the Amusement park accidents page itself, but the statistic is very Florida-centric and should, at the very least, be referenced here. Feel free to rewrite it and/or move it so it's more generic if you'd like, but the statistics are important to retain at some level.SpikeJones 04:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Raymond Barlow
Does this custodian's death rate merit? It happened in 1999, but after-hours. http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/14933003.htm -- nae'blis (talk) 01:16, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- As long as you find legitimate references for it aside from the Disney chat boards and that summary article you mention, go ahead and add it. I know Snopes has a mention regarding the perceived (yet false) relationship between Mr Barlow's accident and the closing of the Skyway a few months later, and there's some other interesting related info that makes this one more interesting than somebody slipping as they climbed out of the Peter Pan ride. SpikeJones 03:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Narrow focus
Is it really true that only two of the Walt Disney Parks and Resorts have ever had a significant incident in their history? That strikes me as kind of unlikely, given the number listed here for just these two. If it's not, then the article is very incomplete. I'm not sure which'd be the better solution though: expanding or renaming. Adding more text to the article for every park/resort would make the list more comprehensive, but it'd probably bloat it well beyond the recommended size. On the other hand Incidents at Disney parks in the United States is a bit unwieldly as a title, but has the benefit of keeping the focus narrow. Opinions? GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 15:52, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
- It is a US-centric view, but not intentional. If you know of notable events at the other parks (key word being "notable") that have external news citations, then feel free to add them. I can't imagine that there will be so many notable events that they will cause the article to become bloated. And if it does, then we separate out each park into its own separate page. SpikeJones 16:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Just as a note, it wasn't my intention to accuse the page of a U.S. bias (I really do get sick of seeing such accusations over on Talk:Main Page.) It's just that I was thinking about nominating the article for Featured list candidacy when the gap struck me, and I figured it'd be one of the things brought up in any discussion there. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 16:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
- Well, that's very nice of you. Let's get all the (fact) items resolved first, and review to ensure that all items remain unbiased/unopinionated regarding who is at fault for each incident. There are a few Disney fans (and Six Flags fans and Cedar Point fans and Busch Gardens fans) that would prefer that the article explictly stated something along the lines of "the majority of accidents/deaths were NOT due to park negligence". My opinion is to state the facts and let the reader decide on an individual basis.SpikeJones 18:30, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tram
Some guy feel off a tram at the Magic Kingdom [2], must have been a slow news day. --blm07 09:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- I know for a fact that a similar incident happened at Epcot in August 1999. No fatality, but serious injuries. It was not considered newsworthy at the time. Doctorindy 21:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Mouse Orgy
With the recent edit stating the video was *shot* in Oct 2006 vs being shot in late 2005, can anyone find confirmation on this? The general consensus up to now has been that the video from Disneyland Paris was taken during the 2005 Christmas holiday season (hence, a snowman was present) but only showed up online in Oct 2006. Thoughts? SpikeJones 13:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
