Talk:Lilburn Boggs
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[edit] Name - Lilliburn W. Boggs
Isn't his name 'Lilliburn W. Boggs'? I have seen more references to that name than the one currently posted. Jgardner 20:56, 2004 Oct 18 (UTC)
- You have? Where? The History of the Church and D. Michael Quinn (Origins of Power) use this spelling. If you're refering to this link, that's clearly a typo. saintswithouthalos has 7 other pages with this spelling in it. According to google, there are over 1800 examples of Lilburn W. Boggs online, but only two Lilliburn. It is a common-enough typo to merit redirect though. Cool Hand Luke (Communicate!) 21:14, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
There are two Lilburn Boggs. One is Gov. Lilburn Wycliff Boggs and the other is his Great Grandson, Lilburn F. Boggs, born to one of the son's of William Montgomery and Sonora Hicklin in Sonoma, California. Dr. Thomas Jefferson Boggs was the only brother of Gov. Lilburn Wycliff Boggs. Dr. Thomas Jefferson Boggs was my Great, Great Grandfather. Gov. Boggs and Panthea Grant Boone had 10 children, 7 boys and 3 girls. Panthea Grant Boone was the Granddaughter of Daniel and Rebecca Bryan Boone. Daniel Boones son Jesse Bryan Boone is the father of Panthea Grant Boone. This information is from family history I have aquired. DRCook, West Jordan, Utah.
- Actually, there were at least five Lilburn Boggses -- the governor and three grandsons (by three different sons, distinguished from one another by their middle names), and the great grandson mentioned. Several sources give Boggs' middle name as Williams, not Wycliff. Does anybody have a good 19th century source to verify what the W really stood for? --Reader
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- A recent anon is asserting that Williams is the appropriate name, citing his gravestone as documentation. I have nothing personally invested in Wycliffe, as it was used here before I began editing the page. All but one secondary source that I personally have to hand simply uses W., the other uses Wycliffe. But as Wikipedia practice encourages the documentation of significant changes to a page (Wikipedia:Verifiability), whether from a written source or an online link, other sources would be important before such a change is made. I will not revert again right away, but would like to see source material in the near future. Perhaps one that refers to a primary document from Boggs' time? WBardwin 06:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Why not just leave it at "Lilburn W. Boggs" until somebody can offer definitive proof one way or the other? I haven't seen any documentation whatsoever that it was "Wycliffe," but I have seen photos of the gravestone with "Williams."
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- Photo of Boggs' grave with "Williams" clearly visible at http://www.jwha.info/mmff/boggs.htm
[edit] 'Legal to "exterminate" Mormons in Missouri'
This language is absurd, paranoid, PoV, and inflammatory:
- For over 130 years it was legal to "exterminate" Mormons in Missouri until ...
On the other hand,
- If it is verifiable that that is what Mormons are taught, we should state that.
- If that's what Bond said in his apology, we should state that.
- And no doubt there were anti-Mormon Missourians who thot an executive order could suspend the homicide laws (perhaps despite, besides before, the "due process" amendments). If any of them can be verified to have acted upon that belief those could even be events worthy not only of mention here but of individual articles. But even instances of such a belief or defense would have to be distinguished from crimes committed in the atmosphere that at least the decade or so that included such an order would stem from and perpetuate; probably many (and perhaps most) went unpunished because of something entirely different from it being legal, or even being believed legal. For example, false claims of self-defense or of accidental deaths, that produced reasonable doubt or jury nullification, may be an aspect of the religion-based parallel of genocide (
[wink]credocide, 2 of about 7? credicide, 37 of about 320? ), but they are not instances of acts of "extermination" being legal.
--Jerzy•t 21:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, Jerzy, for injecting a note of reason!
[edit] Boggs bullet comes out in meeting
I recall in History class hearing that one of the BB's from assassination attempt came through Boggs nose while he was speaking before the State Senate, to which he replied something along the lines of "I told you there were a few things loose" Can anyone verify this 71.213.75.114 00:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)