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Levelland== One of the changes I made was to add the word "the" between "Among the witnesses". However, that edit continues to be eliminated.

The reason is that "the" is not required. Incidentally, when you post a new message to a user's talk page it goes at the bottom, not the top. Cheers. Moriori 05:24, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Earth(Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy)

I made the short article the first time as a joke. The second time I actually wrote content. If you think that was trash, you should have seen what happened to the Colina Middle School article. Now that was worse and it wasn't changed until about a week later. ( I admit I changed it back to its vandalized state for comic purposes)

I did not make that picture. That only reverted it back to its comic state. Plus, did you even read the Earth article the second time I wrote it? Plus, that is the exact difinition for Earth used in Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.

I didn't take the whole article. Just the original two words were from the book.Ajaxrools 00:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of comment

Sure buddy, all done. Let's hope you remove this comment from your talk page aswell.. it might embarrass you as much as the last one did. Love you :) --Javsav 10:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tui picture

Hi there, I have reuploaded my tui photo, after increasing the brightness and contrast. --Rixth 04:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hello

i was wondering if i could have your input on this article?--64.12.116.11 02:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea, that is the link to block your username, it makes no sense to me -- Tawker 06:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I would say somebody is making a joke or even a hoax. As you are not a sysop so you cannot block anybody. -jkb- 11:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
P.S. see the notice at the user's page User:64.12.116.11, -jkb- 11:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] this edit

I don't see how the neutrality of that article is disputed. It's not written in an NPOV-ish manner. It's written in a, which is wholly different. Not to mention the talk page is empty. 69.124.143.230 19:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, you do have a point, so I will remove the POV about "fought very valiantly" and remove the tag. I'm not sure what you mean by 'fictitiously ambiguous manner' which I guess justifies the other tag that someone else put on the page, so I won't remove that one. I am replying here because your talk page is empty. Cheers. Moriori 21:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, I didn't know a better term, I'm not exactly an English scholar, or whatnot. =) But basically what i meant is, I'm not sure if the article itself made clear distinctions between Gao Gan the Romance of the Three Kingdoms character, or Gao Gan the historical person. Not being a scholar of early Chinese history myself, I felt incapable of expanding the text myself, but also thought the text was not worthy of an NPOV tag, either. It's probably not a big deal, I was just slightly irked that my edit was reverted after only two minutes consideration. But being an anonymous, I guess I should be used to that by now. Anyways, thank you for your cooperation and assistance. =) 69.124.143.230 21:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NZSL

NZSL in action is discussed at [1] In particular, public interpretation is only the tip of the iceberg - it's like calling the simultaneous translation of a conference "English in action". --Hugh7 23:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

You should continue that discussion in Talk:New_Zealand_Sign_Language where other interested people can take part. Such a section would need to be about how NZSL in action differs from other SLs in action, otherwise it should be on a more general SL page.--Hugh7 06:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Curly one for ya

Your next move? Google. Proof of copyvio is irrefutable. Go from there. :) RadioKirk talk to me 03:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bethells / Te Henga

Thanks for fixing some of that stuff, the name is bound to be a sticky point though, but maybe you can help with that.moza 10:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dissimilar

Maori chief/Maori cod. Will fix tonight (am in UK) it's a case issue. There are 2 diff fish. However, I have noticed I've used the same illustration for both articles. Thanks for pointing out the error of my ways. GrahamBould 07:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Have fixed the case issue, & the wrong illustration, I think. Could you give it a test drive & confirm OK please? Thanks GrahamBould 15:59, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Vic Cross

Thanks for cleaning up the annuities bit! Ekrub-ntyh 00:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Moriori. has been cretaed.

Have a look: [2] -- Kim van der Linde at venus 04:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC) Ahhhh, juvenile vandal at work. Had already noticed, but tks. Moriori 05:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

And another. User:Hurricane Moriori. Regards, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 06:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC).

And a category: Category:Wikipedia:Suspected sockpuppets of Moriori and User:PS2pcGAMER! created it. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 06:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please be careful when blocking

Please be careful not to block proxy IPs for more than a few minutes. You blocked a AOL IP. (152.163.100.136) I'm intermittently assigned that IP, along with the vandal you apparently blocked. Please unblock it. Brentt 22:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Huh? I haven't ever blocked IP 152.163.100.136, unless a registered user I blocked is at that IP (which I wouldn't know about). If you tell me how you connect me with the block on that IP address I can obviously learn something useful today. And if I can, I will certainly rectify the problem. Cheers. Moriori 23:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA Notification

Hello! I noticed that you have interacted with User:MJCdetroit who is currently undergoing an RfA and thought that you might be interested in participating at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/MJCdetroit. You have received this message without the endorsement of the candidate involved, and this is not a solicitation of support, it is only an effort to make RfA discussions better (for more information see user:ShortJason/Publicity). Thank you in advance for your participation. ShortJason 22:12, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Suggestions for patrollers"

Earlier this evening I posted my first article, a very short article on cluster genealogy, which you deleted 60 seconds later. I'll take the hint, and log out of Wikipedia permanently. However, before you drive off any other new editors, you ought to read Suggestions for patrollers. NextExit 09:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bangladeshi PM

Could you please note the title of the article and then revert your last edit. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, there can only be one first female Prime Minister of Bangladesh. SP-KP 22:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Also, note that you should generally only mark a change as minor is it is for example a formatting change - changes to content, even if small, should not be marked as minor. All the best SP-KP 22:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Raimond Spekking

You deleted the article Raimond Spekking while it was still at the stub stage. I was planning to come back later and add to it. Could you please undelete it? Eastmain 04:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

If you think it justifies an article, then that's OK, re-create the page. It would be helpful if you created more than a stub before posting an article. It might still be tagged by someone else as it originally was in this case.Moriori 06:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re:Tks for revert

No problem. I picked up on it because an anti-vandalism tool I have installed. It picked up on the word "----" and sent off my alarms. ;-) My safest bet as to why it was left was because you edited something in relation to that article, like you reveted vandalism or something and the user got angry and started to attack you. It's not that big a deal when you think about it. I've had my page vandalized 140 times and don't see the threats ending anytime soon. The guy who vandalized your page has been blocked indefinantly. Cheers! The King of Kings 23:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] T-51

Thank you for adding the T-51 article. For future reference, please check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft/page content for recommended layout of aircraft pages. There are templates to help standardize specs and a small header infobox. - Emt147 Burninate! 17:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Thanks for removing the wikilinks

Hello Moriori, I'm pretty much a newbie here. Perhaps a week old :-). Thank you for checking things out and reverting. I guess I must read the MoS more carefully. Happy editing! --anirudh 02:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

No probs. You have been here less than two weeks and have two usernames. I'm intrigued. Moriori 06:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
2 user names???? me? anirudh 15:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Anyone reading that line there would think it was posted by User:anirudh, but you are User:Gingerjoos. Moriori 21:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)


err...that would be because I have set my nickname as "Anirudh" in my prefernces page. :D anirudh 06:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tim Selwyn

Why did you remove the text? That is what he was charged over! It is not "extraneous, irrelevant info", it is the basis of the Crown's case. I am going to restore it, as it is a key piece of evidence. --Midnighttonight 08:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Again, why did you remove it? --Midnighttonight 08:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Because this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a soapbox.
In which case a {{NPOV}} or a {{cleanup}} tag would be more appropiate than just deleting the info. How about trying to make more info than less, compare with the Peter Hugh McGregor Ellis article for instance. --Midnighttonight 08:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
If people kept adding tags to articles, instead of editing unnecessary text, Wiki would be zillions of times bigger than it is and full of incomprehensible, stupefying articles. I haven't the time or inclination to get into an ongoing debate over this, but I will say that trimming verbosity is much more beneficial for Wikipedia than piling on the cruft. IMMHO Moriori 08:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I've restored some of the background information, but I agree with Moriori that the text of the pamphlet isn't appropriate, nor is citing a blog to indicate the degree of controversy this case may have engendered. Can I suggest that further comment about the article take place at Talk:Tim Selwyn.-gadfium 08:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] God's Own Country

"God's own country" (or rather its Malayalam translation) has been in use in Kerala to descibe the state for a long time. And it is not just natural beauty that gained it the name. You will find that Kerala is demographically different from the rest of India in many ways (There is lesser poverty, almost cent percent literacy, better life standards, health, life expectancy, et al). Several factors which (probably) resulted as a consequence of the so called Kerala model of development, has gained it this name. The state is quite unique among third world countries. The tourism department just translated the slogan and used it for promotions. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK 05:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I am aware of what you are saying. You actually make my point for me. The Kerala tourism dept adopted this slogan in very recent times, so it was correct for me to edit the article to read "The Kerala tourism industry has adopted the slogan "God's own country".' Also, I really don't think that God's Own Country should be included in a section that discusses the historic name/s of Kerala. Further down the article perhaps? Moriori 05:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
My point here, is that it is not the tourism department that gave the title to the state. Lets take an example: Kochi has for centuries been known by the sobriquet — "Queen of the Arabian Sea". The same title is used to promote the city in tourism ads. In such a case, saying "The tourism industry of Kochi uses the slogan 'queen of the arabian sea'" in an article about Kochi,would be misleading; because it is a sobriquet that has been in existence even before a tourism industy was set up. I hope you get the idea more or less. And that is the reason I reworded it as "Kerala is often described as God's own country". -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK 09:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I think you are still skeptical about this. Please let me know. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK04:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MY ERIC SCHULZETENBERG ARTICLE WAS REAL!! LOOK IT UP

you should not have deleted it...are you some kind of fascist?

This dashing young Scottish rogue..... is often compared with William Wallace, Rob Roy, and Robert the Bruce.....and the world may never be the same because of this brave young man! What!!?? That's nonsense. He wore a kilt to a prom and was refused entry. So what!!?? If he had been Prince Charles or someone notable, then ok. Only a true man may wear one (a kilt). Oh really!!?? Even girls wear kilts. You may have had the makings of an article, but you sure didn't make it. Also, his name is Eric Schulzetenberg with a capital S, but you created an article with a lower case S. Also, you should sign your posts on talk pages.Moriori 04:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zbtb7

Just a note, Moriori. I noticed that you had deleted Zbtb7 earlier because it looked like a simple vandal article. As one admin to another, I want to remind you that you should remember to look at the edit history, where you'd see that it was simply a vandal. I've already restored it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey Ricky. The Zbtb7 that I deleted came up in New Pages. In the space of six minutes I deleted six articles from the New Pages list, Zbtb7 being the fourth of the sixth. Beats me. How could this appear in the new list? Moriori 07:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] George Cross

Well done on creating the bios, am enjoying reading them :) Brian | (Talk) 02:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alan Deere

Thanks for your work on this. A minor a point about the last RAF biplane fighter, that I deeply deeply don't care about, but add for the love of trivia: in mainland U.K. active service, I had been told the Gloster Gauntlet actually outlasted it's successor (though only because it's shorter take off run let it into some strips), and I suspect that a captured CR42 outlasted the last RAF Gladiators. :-)

[edit] Native Hawaiians

  • Just to clarify the reason for my use of the term in the James Cook article, it was merely meant to clear up the fact that his death was caused by the people that lived there, i.e. the native population and not the British or other members of the crew. I would argue your amendment is not necessary. Am not trying deliberatley to antagonise polynesia! Dick G 08:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
There was NO OTHER population in Hawaii. The residents were Hawaiians. Correctly calling them Hawaiians clearly eliminates possible involvement of Cook's crew/colleagues. You argue that my amendment was not necessary. It was YOU who amended the article to remove the word Hawaiians and replace it with the word native, a totally unwarranted edit which I then amended. Two hundred and twenty something years after Cook the mindset prevails.Moriori 09:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
  • It's obviously a big deal for you, but it really was not intended to make any sort of a statement about indigenous peoples, colonialism or any much wider and far-reaching debates - it was a question of writing style. I have read extensively on Cook and polynesia and do not consider myself anything other than entirely objective - see also my historical edits in the section regarding the third voyage and the role of the festival of Lono etc. (via IP 213.120.81.205), in no way do these disparage or denigrate Hawaiian society at the promotion of the British, which you seem to accept as you have not amended them. As an administrator I would respectfully suggest you really should view edits with perspective, not invective Dick G 09:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Your other entries are irrelevant because I didn't address them. Even admins get pissed off sometimes -- they shouldn't but they are only human too. Moriori 09:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
  • No worries. And admit the "my other entries" thing was a bit tenuous! Dick G 10:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] user 202.49.41.253

You have blocked this person after racist remarks on the page on New Zealand. This person has also been vandalizing the page on Sinking of the Rainbow Warrior. You have threatened that this person was going to blocked permanently, if the vandalism would continue. Could you?? FroS 00:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Have blocked him indefinitely. Some people seem to have a death wish. Moriori 00:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good on ya!

Dare I say it, but good decision and job in the week long block of that Shared IP address at that college. Few other Wikipedia admins will take down IP addresses, even if they are continuous streams of vandals (Dare I say it, but some school IP addresses and, from time to time, AOL). Your comment was one that is pretty much indicative of how most editors think these IP address blocks should be rectified, rather than an "Unblock" method, especially in the case of this severe, repetitive vandalism.

However, has a semi-protection on the talkpage been deemed appropriate? Some vandals feel the need to continue to disrupt Wikipedia even after their blockage.

Sincerely, Logical2u (Wikibreak) 00:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edit to Talk:Main Page

Please do not remove content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. joshbuddy, talk 20:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Look before you leap. I removed nothing from the talk page. I noted vandalism on the page and intended to revert to the last good edit made at 09:16 by User:Malo. However, it reverted to the last version by User:67.101.36.212. As soon as I noticed this, I again tried to revert to the Malo edit, and got an edit conflict which was obviously User: Punctured Bicycle cleaning up. Moriori 20:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, whoops. I saw what happened. Sorry bout that :) joshbuddy, talk 21:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Racehorse categories

As a contributor to racehorse articles I would appreciate you taking a look at Category_talk:Racehorses and expressing any views you have regarding Racehorse categories. - Cuddy Wifter 06:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deanna Wright cleanup

Gah! I could've sworn I did. I was editing several articles at once, so I probably remembered to mark the others and overlooked that one. Thanks for catching it and letting me know! Beginning 21:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD for Guitar solo page

I listed it correctly for you. You should voice your opinions at the AfD now (you are free to change my comments to reflect it). Ryulong 01:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

(It is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guitar World's 100 greatest guitar solos) Ryulong 01:45, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MYOB

The MYOB people are writing to us complaining about the article. I note you've contributed there. Please be sure to maintain due regard for WP:NOR. In particular, any conclusions you've drawn, even if valid or obvious to you, should remain out of the article unless they have been published in reliable sources. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

What conclusions have I drawn? Moriori 05:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

A general question - I have created a page for Tohu Kakahi of Parihaka. He is often referred to as Tohu (as on the Parihaka page) but Tohu on search leads you to a page on Tofu...How do you go about fixing that - by changing redirection or a disambiguation?

Hey User:Steerpikenz, can you create your user page? Then you can sign your comments with four tildes to leave your sig. Anyway, I am about to fix that curious Tohu redirect. Have you read the stuff on your talk page? Cheers. Moriori 08:17, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Armstrong is an atheist (regretfully)

Why do you want to deny it?

I don't react nicely to threats

My only response to anonymous messages left here is that I make no more response than this one.Moriori 01:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Zealand People cat

Why are you putting so many people in this category? They are already listing in subcats of it. Please discuss at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand. - SimonLyall 11:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I am putting New Zealand people in the New Zealand people cat because they are New Zealand people. It is illogical and unhelpful to Wikipedia visitors to not do so. Why do you oppose putting New Zealand people in a New Zealand people cat, and then having sub categories? What is wrong with having all New Zealanders in the one category? How does that hurt Wikipedia? How does it confuse readers? How much space does it take? Why does it bother you? Is the New Zealand people cat only for people like Anita McNaught, a Pom who came here as an adult and who left NZ yonks ago? Go on, check her out. Do you object to Alan MacDiarmid who is in List of New Zealanders having the New Zealand people cat plus three NZ sub categories? Why are there people in List of New Zealanders who do not have a New Zealand people category, such as Christine Fletcher? Isn't she a New Zealander? Why are there people in that article who are not New Zealanders no matter how far you stretch your imagination, like Nancy Wake who wasn't even two years old when her family left this country? Why has she got a New Zealand military people category when she was never a member of a NZ military service? What a hell of a mess these cats are. And you ask me why I put New Zealand people in the New Zealand people cat? Geez Simon, I would have thought it was obvious. Moriori 21:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I am not objecting to who you are putting in the category (or not) just that you are putting them into the top level category rather than a subcategory. Categorys with hundreds (or thousands) of people directly in the category have various problems. One specific problem is that in the New Zealand people category is that if you go there now you only see the Fictional New Zealanders subcategory. You then have to go to the next 200 to see New Zealand Victoria Cross recipients and other subcats. If we have several thousand NZ biography's directly in New Zealand people then subcats will be scattered all though 50 pages. I have checked other countries in Category:People by nationality and even ones like Category:American people don't appear to have more than 150 or so listed directly in the cat. Exactly what is the use of a category with 10,000 (say) people in it rather than subcats? How does Wikipedia gain by having say Lance Cairns in Category:New Zealand people as well as Category:New Zealand cricketers (and the others he is in)? - SimonLyall 09:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes Simon, I am putting them into the top level category, deliberately. First and foremost, they are New Zealand people which is why I put them in New Zealand people. What are you on about when you saty that "One specific problem is that in the New Zealand people category is that if you go there now you only see the Fictional New Zealanders subcategory."? What!? It takes you to a page where the very first line clearly states This category lists famous people from New Zealand. There are 200+ entries there for surnames A - M, none of which are fictional. I thought it would be obvious why it would be an advantage to have New Zealand people in a New Zealand people cat. Ask yourself what the adavantage is in having Lance Cairns in New Zealand cricketers. The same rationale applies. Moriori 21:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Simon here. It's an established principle that articles don't go into parent categories when they are already in a subcategory. See Wikipedia:Categorization/Categories and subcategories. There are always going to be exceptions to this guideline, but you seem to be arguing that the guideline should not apply at all.-gadfium 20:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
When we first started cats in Wiki the proposal looked reasonable. The problem is that since then Uncle Tom Cobbleigh and all have continually created meaningless sub cats which then take precedence over meaningful cats. Example - Bruno Lawrence has New Zealand people and English-New Zealanders. Using your reasoning we should remove New Zealand people and leave the sub cat. I'd do it the other way round, to get rid of the farcical English-New Zealanders nonsense. However, if you and Simon are insisting on sticking to a policy that has long passed its use by date, then have at it. I trust someone is going to go through the entire list of New Zealand people on Wikipedia with more than one cat and remove the New Zealand people cats. Moriori 21:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I tend to agree with you that the "English-New Zealander"-type category isn't very useful, but it doesn't hurt either. The appropriate cats for Lawrence are surely Category:New Zealand musicians and Category:New Zealand actors, since that's what he's known for.
When categories were first established, I believe there was a software problem with putting very large numbers of articles in a single category, and this was overcome by displaying only 200 names at a time. It's probably a bug in this feature of splitting a category into multiple pages that causes some subcategories not to be displayed on the first page of the category, but while this bug exists I think we should avoid categories which have both sub-categories and more than 200 articles.
Rather than trying to reform Category:New Zealand people by itself, you really need to propose a change to the Wikipedia:Categorization/Categories and subcategories guideline and get some consensus on it.
I'm happy to go through Category:New Zealand people over the next few days and try to move most people out of it into subcats, but I won't do so if you are moving more names in there.
I've fixed the link at the top of this section to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand. There were some non-printing characters at the end of the link.-gadfium 00:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
No, I won't be moving more names in there. Go for it. Moriori 01:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page accidentally created.

I think you just created Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject New Zealand‎ when you went to edit: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand. - SimonLyall 10:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I clicked on the link when you invited me to "Please discuss at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject New Zealand‎". As it is also here, I'll delete it. Moriori 22:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, guess I probably did it. - SimonLyall 09:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scott Dixon

Category:New Zealand people is a great-grandparent category of the more accurate Category:New Zealand racecar drivers. Generally, an article is not listed in both a parent and child category of the same tree. In this cares, New Zealand racecar drivers shows that Dixon is both a New Zealander and a race car driver. -Drdisque 22:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

So when readers browse through the articles in the New Zealand people cat they will never be able to find Scott Dixon. Highlights exactly what I was saying above. Totally illogical. Moriori 22:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
From New Zealand people they will be able to navigate to New Zealand Racecar Drivers through: People -> People by Occupation -> Sportspeople -> racecar drivers. Imagine if every New Zealander was listed in Category:New Zealand people. There would be thousands upon thousands and the category would be completely impossible to navigate. For a more formal explanation of how this works, please see WP:CAT. -Drdisque 02:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
What!? How can anyone possibly navigate from People -> Occupation -> Sportspeople IF the subject is not in the People cat? They can't. My point exactly. Anyway, forget it. I've finished with cats. Moriori 03:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Not quite - a parting shot. Drdisque, as numbers seem to bother you, please check out the People from New York category. Less than 1300 of them, for a State with four times the population of NZ so there goes your thousands upon thousands theory. Check out Lou Gehrig. He's got 23 cats, including People from New York, Major league players from New York and New York Yankees players. To be consistent with what you have written here, you should remove the People from New York cat from the Gehrig article, and in every other article about people from New York similarly categorised Moriori 04:03, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hill tribes

What's up with the smoking hill tribe kids thing? I've worked in a few different villages over the past year and a half and never saw a hill tribe kid smoking. I've been in a few different Lahu and Lisu tribes... along with a Palong village (although, the latter is not typically classified as a hill tribe.

- Kiladin 11:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indef block of 202.154.147.135

Since when is one vandalism edit enough to indef block an ip? IPs are only indef blocked for being open proxies. Kotepho 07:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello! Kotepho? Are you 202.154.147.135? Moriori 08:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
No. Kotepho 08:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
According to whois, this IP belongs to ITNET Ltd, Wellington, and it's a portable address belonging to actrix.gen.nz. Accordingly, the person it's assigned to tomorrow is probably not the person it's assigned to today. If you can track down the original racist, feel free to blast them into oblivion, but the IP address shouldn't be blocked for very long.-gadfium 08:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
OK. I will unblock tomorrow a.m.. Moriori 09:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
No i don't think you understand what he meant. The next person to come along after the vandal has disconnected may well be assigned that IP. That could be minutes later. Indefiniate blocks are only to be applied in very unusual circumstances. Long term blocks in extreme circumstances. This is a mild circumstance, our policies dictate that they get a warning first then we only block of the vandalise again. Thwe first and formost way to deal with vandalism is reveting it. Blocks are for cases where reverting doesn't do the trick. As it's been several hours, the vandal has probably gone away, so I've undone the block. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 10:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I misinterpreted. Tks for unblocking already. Moriori 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Thanks re Tohunga Suppression Act

Thanks for removing my work on 1907. I am not sure I agree that it should have been pared that much. I have left the literary reference as it is still valid.

Your suggestion of a stand-alone page was a bleeding good prompt. I have done so and; made with as many references as I could conjure up without appearing defensive of my mahi. I still want help on this subject though, so please see the discussion page. You do realise this is ALL your fault! Ha!! L-Bit 12:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice one. I have given it a little tidy, and asked User:Kahuroa for input. Cheers. Moriori 21:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
With the addition of Kahuroa's valuable addition of the Tohunga page and his/her futher edits to this page, the article feels much more complete. I wonder though if we could revisit some of the changes you made to the Suppression Act page? I initially thought that it was appropriate to give Sir Maui's full name and title, however on reflection, it would be unnecessary on any other page than his own (which I have done). It is correct practice though, to refer to a knighted person by Sir/Dame FirstName. We do not refer to Dame Catherine Tizard as Dame Tizard, but Dame Cath. I therefore think that it is appropriate and correct to keep 2nd and later references as Sir Maui as opposed to "Pomare"('s). True, this may seem odd to non-Commonwealth readers, but nevertheless, it is the correct methodology. The disturbing feature of this to me is that this format does not seem to be used at all. Sir Maui's own page is a classic example.
The other matter is more minor, I am sure that practises is the correct usage in this instance, not practices. I can never really get my head around this, and have the same problem with affect and effect.
Also, I'd like to add that I am glad you have watched this space and grateful to you, Kahuroa, and Gadfium for your help in this article. This is a subject I have a keen interest in. L-Bit 06:03, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi L-Bit, I am afraid what you find disturbing has been accepted writing style for decades, and it is Wikipedia's style also. Check out Edmund Hillary and Judi Dench. Sir Edmund Hillary and Dame Judi Dench respectively when first mentioned, but then Hillary and Dench from then on. Practice v practise can be a can of worms I know. In the sense it is used, it is generally describing the methods used by tohungas. Like, their usual practice was to employ medicinal plants, while the practice of Doctor Fixit is to use acupuncture in his practice. Only problem, if he wants to bone up on his ability and sticks a few dozen needles into his nurse, is he practicing or practising. I give up. Cheers. Moriori 08:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you are right. I do accept what you say despite the irritation it causes. It's the same irritation I get when ppl txt me in txt spek... grrrr. Cheers. And again, as others have said, thanks for your good works. L-Bit 06:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Thoroughbred racing

I notice you are a contributor to racehorse articles, if you are interested there is a new project underway on the topic. Have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Thoroughbred racing and feel free to join up, im sure your contributions would be worthwhile! (dark horse 01:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] AGS

Hi, I noticed that you reverted my edits to Auckland Grammar School. I will explain here:

  • Image removal due to uncertain copyright status.
  • Extraneous information was deleted. What I mean by "extraneous information" is information that is only useful for people related to the school---year 9 tests are not exclusive to AGS (even though it never explicitly said that its inclusion was pretty useless). AGS's notoriety wrt curriculum largely stems from its NCEA/GCE argument, and streaming etc are secondary in terms of public recognition.
  • Buildings. Its a pretty small area compared to the independent schools AGS aspires to be compared to. Hence I edited the buildings section to describe those independently described as notable (Historic Places Trust). The boarding house is not unique as far as wooden buildings go---you can find a colonial wooden building in almost any NZ town...
  • TV show was moved to the general info section since its pretty ridiculous having a one-sentence section for a non-series show (see the edit summary+hist diff).

I won't reinsert the changes without your comment, except for the image/copyright thing which I believe is pretty clear-cut. 202.89.159.112 07:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Definition Removed

Will you please explain why you removed my updated definition of incarceration, which is straight from its Latin origins? Aeh4543 17:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, because I reverted to Wikipedia style. The first word of the article should (generally) be the same word/words as the heading. Secondly, as this article is called Incarceration the object is to explain Incarceration, and definitely not to start with an explanation of where the "The term incarcerate" comes from, as you did. Note our Main Page article today, "Cryptography". We say what it is, not where the name comes from. Cheers. Moriori 23:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] do not meet WP:POV

OK then. I must say you are biased. Taoc 02:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Did you actually read WP:POV? Those guidelines were formulated by editors over the years.. I happen to agree with them, but I didn't write them. Moriori 03:01, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Óscar Pereiro claims??

[3] You say that Óscar Pereiro claimed he was the winner. However, the clip i saw in the news he said that now the 99% probabilites, he felt like he was the winner. The same say other media [4].

Translating the quote: I consider me the winner but, until being named so, i won't be. I wouldn't want to say teh word winner. I am the cyclist which is pending to be named Tour winner in an official way

Before the second drug test, Pereiro declared several times at the media he wanted Landis to be innocent. So claim seems incorrect to me.

Platonides 13:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Quote from BBC - "I am the Tour champion - Pereiro. Spaniard Oscar Pereiro declared himself the true Tour de France champion after confirmation of a positive dope test for yellow jersey winner Floyd Landis." To me, that sounds very much like claiming he is the winner. Moriori 22:22, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] vand on my homepage.

Thanks for reverting that. A very strange thing for somebody to change - SimonLyall 03:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Why?

Why did you delete my bio on Adam Fein? I am the second person to write a bio on him with materials available on the internet... why dont u read what it actually said instead of stating it was "nonsense" it was well-written and there are thousands of people in the University of Texas school systems who know of his work. I do agree that the previous bio was immature and should have been deleted due to it having no significance. However, I am hoping that mine will be accepted. Please tell me what I can do differently, for I am trying to create a serious entry - CollegeExpress 03:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Huh? I am not sure what has happened here. This article appeared in the New Pages list. It contained nonsense so I deleted it, on the first occasion. My edit summary said " (nonsense. content was: 'David Porto, born August 13th 1985, of italian ancestry, is a professional bowler and full time stud. He enjoys travelling Australia beating people in...' (and the only contributor was '[[Special:Contributions/SchmickitySchmack|S) . When I saw it was recreated, I deleted again. OK. I have restored the article, but it is not as well written (encyclopedic) as you claim. Perhaps you could do a bit more work on it before it comes to the attention of someone else. What do you think? Moriori 20:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I will go over everything in the next few days. Thank you for your patience. Also, if there are any other questionable items, please contact me first, and I'll be more than happy to make necessary changes. Once again, I will work on creating more topical and relevant information. Thanks again.-

CollegeExpress 05:09PM, 8 August 2006 (CCT)

[edit] Labisi

Why I can't publish an article about the story of an Italian company? There are lot of italians from sicily in the world that search informations about their roots. Please answer me.

Because the only content on the page was in Italian, namely "Labisi Carlo s.r.l. è un azienda di autotrasporti turistici fondata nel 1954 da Carlo Labisi (a.n.-a.m.)"!!!!! When you recreated the page, it was a virtual ad, the reason I called it spam. Moriori 09:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rugby link in King Country and Wanganui

Hi Moriori,

I thought that the rugby links for the Provincial All Blacks were quite good. But saddly you chopped them. Only Colin Meads has his own wikipedia page, so I am thinking that until more of the lesser known players have a wikipedia page, then maybe I could put the link to the local unions page.

What are your reasons/thoughts?

Maybe I can have a link for each specific player that has a web page dedicated to them elsewhere?

NevilleDNZ 09:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC) (You can reply here, I will watch your talk page)

Hello Neville. References/external links mostly go at the bottom of articles. An external link to a source corroborating a statement made in an article is often appended just at the end of the statement, but that is an entirely different situation. Apart from that tho, the external link you gave went to nothing more than a list of the same names, so it wasn't really helpful. Regarding your last sentence, external links on pages such as Colin Meads are fine. But, you couldn't create Peter Henderson and have the external link as the only content. Hope this helps. Moriori 21:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe - not today - we could create wikipedia stubs for each player. ITMT: I have added links to each All Black from Wanganui, rather then point to a summary page.

NevilleDNZ 22:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] R%e Wanganui all blacks

Neville, I replied to your query on my talk page. You cannot create an article which contains only a link to external information. That's why I reverted. Moriori 22:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Moriori, Now I confess I am confused... I linked each player to their own unique entry at the www.RugbyMuseum.co.nz. When one clicks on a player one will get their background. Much better then leaving a red-link.

Check it out: (e.g. Click on Mona Thomson)

* Wanganui

Please unrevert my contribution as a click on the individual names functions correctly.

NevilleDNZ 06:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Summary

I request you stop using patronising edit summaries like this one. I will assume good faith and deem it to be a strange kind of humour, but I ask you stop using edit summaries which contain statements of ambiguity which could be (wrongly) interpreted as a personal attack. Daniel.Bryant 07:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daniel.Bryant's RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA! I withdrew at (2/7/2) because I realised that I made a misjudged action by accepting the nomination so soon after a couple of edits which I whole-heartedly regret. I invite you to take the opportunity to read an explanation I gave for those diffs. In no way am I defending my actions, as I now realise they were wrong, but I still feel that if you understand the reasons I have given both with my withdrawal statement, as well as my RfA talk page, we may be able to travel the path of understanding. Daniel.Bryant

[edit] Xcellent up for deletion

The New Zealand racehorse Xcellent has been listed for deletion. Some informed comments from thoroughbred enthusiasts would seem to be needed. - Cuddy Wifter 06:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Zealand infobox tweaks

I think you are mistaken in reverting Polarion's changes in New Zealand. It looks to me like he/she has gone through all country articles to bring them up to date with various articles such as List of countries and outlying territories by total area. Also, the area in square miles was adjusted along with the area in square kilometres, not removed, so WP:MOSNUM is not an objection to the edit.-gadfium 21:51, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

If Polarion has changed them because they were inaccurate, OK, that's fine, I'm all for accuracy. However, I'm also all for knowing the edits were justified, by being advised why in an edit summary. Moriori 22:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mind giving an explanation?

Why you reverted my edits on Auckland? MadMaxDog 07:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

No. I mistakenly thought I was reverting an edit, not edits. The edit was "New Zealand For further information on New Zealand", because New Zealand is actually already linked in the very first sentence of the article. Moriori 08:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Miss World 1985

I didn't create that file. I just moved the text from its original article, 35th Miss World Pageant to Miss World 1985 since you are more likely to search using the latter (use year as reference) than the former (using the edition number). So better forward your inquiry to that article's editor/s. Joey80 12:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Right. I see it was User:Raymarcbadz [5]. I'll leave a message on his talk page to hopefully nip him in the bud before he creates any articles with similar layout. Moriori 22:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GIen's RfA: Thank you!

Image:Glen thankyou.gif
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Moriori for your Support!
I I feel truly humbled & honored by your support in my RfA, which closed at 90 / 5 / 0. Thank you! If you need me for anything, just say the word. For now however, just like Mr Potter here:
My mop & I shall thwart all evil :)
IThank you once again my friend. GIen

PS: YES YOU'RE RIGHT HARRY POTTER USES A BROOM! (BUT GOOD MOPS ARE HARD TO FIND!!)

Meant a lot when to see a Kiwi supporting, and, a Kiwi sysop, well, the ultimate compliment. Thank you :) - GIen 05:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daphiner

Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:67.150.254.222

You're welcome! (But what for?) Moriori 04:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reasoning with 150.176.202.5

There's no point. If you look at what this user is doing[6] you'll see. Paul Beardsell 06:49, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] vanity bio - removal

sorry Moriori for posting that since it was considered a vanity bio. i am embarrased by it being catigorized as vein. i apologize. i guess i didn't understand what you could create here or not create. i'm really sorry about that! thank you for your time and for watching over things!


[edit] Photo

The photo of the sunset on your page was infact great
www.geocities.com/berniethomas68 15:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bigfoot opening sentence

Hi. I kind of liked my opening sentence. Is it really necasary to mention that some people don't believe in the first sentence? I think that comes out well in the article. Cheers. Steve Dufour 13:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. I posted a proposed opening sentence on Talk:Bigfoot. Please check it out and let me know what you think. Steve Dufour 02:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bay of Islands

Image:Bay of Islands.jpg - If memory serves, you are in the Bay of Is. Could you take a look at this image on Commons and identify any of the islands involved - is it taken from Urupukapuka for instance? Can you let me know - or just edit the commons description directly. Cheers - need a pic for an article on miWiki. Kahuroa 06:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Oke Bay in there somewhere, I think. I'm not exactly sure, but have a friend who can identify it precisely. Back tomorrow. Ka kite. Moriori 06:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Hey Kahuroa. The photo is taken from Motukiekie Island, looking nor-sou-east-ish. Piercy Island (Motukokako) with its Hole in the Rock, and Cape Brett, and are way out there in the right far distance. The island mid centre is Waewaetoria (torea?). The Okahu Passage is on the left and the Waewaetoria Passage is to the right but mainly obscured. The little island nearer camera, a bunch of rocks really, is a favourite cray diving spot. Anyone wanting to dive there gets permission from me conditional on delivering a couple of packies to me before they go home ):-. Moriori 00:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Cheers! Excellento! Waewaetorea. Mucho appreciado Kahuroa 05:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taranaki vs Egmont

Egmont Volcano I chose that link because the title is 'VOLCANIC HAZARDS AT EGMONT VOLCANO'. Maybe it wasn't the clearest choice. However, Egmont Volcano is the name taught in Universities and used in research papers . I haven't heard it being used outside of a scientific context for several years, but it is the official term in the geological community. Efil's god 03:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A1GP Photo

Can you please confirm that you have permission to upload Image:GBR_A1GP-racecar.png, as it was taken at Brands Hatch? MSV (circuit owners) do have a restrictive policy on photos taken at their cicuits - to quote from a recent programme at Oulton Park: "It is a condition of admission to these premises that photography ... causing or permitting it to be seen in public .. is strictly forbidden... Furthermore, the Promoters reserve the right to confiscate and retain possession of any photographs or films made in break of this condition, andwithout its express consent in writing."

I cannot be sure, but it is worth checking the event programme or ticket for a similar condition at the A1GP meeting. I am only flagging this via your user page at the moment to give you chance to check this yourself, and also as I am not sure if a breach of this condition would be a copyright infringement or just a breach of your personal contract with the circuit when you bought your ticket.Asp 13:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

As you are in England and I am 12,000 miles away, how about you pick up your phone and call Brands Hatch yourself. Direct them to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1_Grand_Prix, and ask if they want the image withdrawn. I can't check the ticket because I haven't got one, and never had one. It's a few years since I went to Brands Hatch. When you post a message to someone's talk page it goes at the bottom of the page, not the top. Moriori 21:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dihydrogen Monoxide

I removed Dihydrogen Monoxide from the List of hoaxes because it's already there; go check Hoaxes of Exposure. It wasn't a hoax in the sense that you seem to be saying it is.

[edit] Birthdates on living persons articles?

Hi. I thought that there was a policy not to give the exact date of a living person's birth since that information could be used by identity thieves. I don't remember where I read it however. Is there a general policy on this? Steve Dufour 03:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Check out the Serena Williams example at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates of birth and death. You would probably benefit from reading the whole style manual. Moriori 03:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Block of 84.58.210.250

Hey, I just noticed that you blocked this guy indefinitely. I thought we didn't indef block IPs? Please get back to me when you have the chance. Thanks, --Mr. Lefty Talk to me! 21:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
thanks for rv the vandalism on my userpage Jeffklib 05:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


Hope you like the barnstar

[edit] Amish school shooting

Re In the news, thanks for agreeing that the significant news should lead, in this particular case, five students being killed.

I thought that the wording was fine either way. I reverted not because I objected to the change in question, but because your specific formatting contained problems that took time and effort to resolve. I was hoping that you would do this yourself before reordering again, but you simply reverted back. Therefore, I did it for you.

Also, thanks for deleting the figure 10 but I notice you nevertheless still insisted in the edit summary 10 "*is* the total number of victims". In the interests of accuracy, let me point out that our article says five died and five were critical. Right, but that does not mean 10 were shot. In fact, the article says three were admitted to Penn State Milton S. Hershey Medical Center, four to Children's Hospital in Philadelphia and one to Christiana Hospital in Delaware. Add the three who died at the school, and that doesn't equal 10.

1. Technically, all of the people present could be considered "victims," but our article and others clearly state that ten were killed or seriously injured.
2. The Patriot News article cited in our article is the only one that turns up in a Google News search that reports this information—in part because it erroneously refers to Children's Hospital of Philadelphia as "Children's Hospital in Philadelphia." (I've corrected this in our article.)
Among other sources, some report the number shot/wounded as eleven, but most report it as ten. Therefore, ten is the number that we can confirm. Either way, we know that only ten were killed or seriously injured. (It's possible that an eleventh student was hospitalized due to a relatively minor issue stemming from the incident.)

I am puzzled why you would think it illogical to mention students and hostages when students were in a hostage situation, but never mind, it reads ok now. Moriori 07:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

It wouldn't be illogical to mention the fact that students were held hostage, but it is illogical to reference them as independent nouns twice in the same sentence.
"Five students die when gunman Charles Carl Roberts shoots hostages..." = "Five people die when gunman Charles Carl Roberts shoots people..." That's awkward and unnatural. "Five students are killed...by gunman Charles Carl Roberts" is vastly preferable, despite the passive voice. ("Gunman Charles Carl Roberts kills five students..." would provide active voice, but you don't want the gunman's name to come first.)
As I mentioned in my edit summary, you neglected to display the main article link in bold text. You also included a superfluous comma near the end of the sentence. —David Levy 12:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Wheeeeeee. Looks like I should move on. Moriori 23:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] HFAC

With all due respect, why did you delete "Hfac" so quickly? It is a non-profit organization of some significance and the article was in store for more expansion as soon as possible. Please respond with a reasonable explaination. --HFAC 08:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I noted this while patrolling New Pages . The heading was "Hfac", not "HFAC" as you have headed your comment here. I saw the {{db-a7}} tag placed there a few minutes earlier by another editor, basically saying the page qualified for speedy deletion because it was about a group of people but did not assert the importance or significance of the subject. I read the article, agreed with that assertion, and deleted the page. I don't doubt you can expand on it, but that alone wouldn't justify its inclusion. It would need to demonstrate why it was notable. Moriori 01:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions and we would all appreciate some help trying to get the article back on. In the future, please notify us if we are in for a deletion. Is there anything we should know before meeting your criteria in a new article? --HFAC 10:47, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you refusing to answer me? --HFAC 10:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sorry

Hi! I'm new in this game. I hope I did right this time. Janeabao 07 Oct 06

[edit] He's back!

Aidan Work, banned from Wikipedia in January, is now posting as Paisleyite1976 (talk) and 202.180.98.82 (talk) (New Zealand IP). The Paisleyite connection is the same as Work's politics. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British Commonwealth Numismatic Project where he writes his name. Hu 05:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missile Dressed as News!

How could you have so much faith in this source (ABS-CBN Interactive) when it only presented a missile dressed as news? It will only pull Wikipedia down!

This topic is being discussed in a Writers’ forum. It is the top story now.

Please give time to read.

Is ABS-CBN Interactive a legitimate media group? http://www.italknews.com/index.php Janeabao 10:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Jane, I took time to visit that link which of course simply reproduces your blog (http://concerna.blogspot.com/) and in my humble opinion is a bit of a beatup. Your heading asks "Is ABS-CBN Interactive a legitimate media group?". I think most people would say yes. You then ask (1) "Why do they have for their “news,” Eli Soriano facing rape charges as their perpetual feed? (2) Is news supposed to be like that – that day in day out, the so-called rape case is THE NEWS?". The answers are (1) they don't, and (2) it isn't. Their site had no mention of Eli Soriano when I looked a few minutes ago. He's not their perpetual feed, and day in and day out the rape case is not "THE NEWS". When someone follows this reference in the article they are taken to http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=37521link at ABS-CBN Interactive where the date is today's but the article is from the archive. Maybe you'd like to correct your postings at italknews, and your blog? You say at both that the rape mention is "freshly inserted" into Wiki's article as the second paragraph. The rape mention has been in this article for five months, and was moved up to be the second par six weeks ago. Maybe you could mention that in your blog too? The rape mention fully justifies its positioning in an article which in the very first sentence correctly says the person "is a controversial religious personality". Wikipedia deals with facts Jane, not opinion. If there are relevant facts you can add to the Soriano article, then please add them. But you need to cite references. Moriori 21:55, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ABS-CBN Interactive FINALLY DELETED YOUR REFERENCE

Finally, ABS-CBN Interactive deleted the reference you were using for paragraph 2 in Eliseo Soriano's page. If we did not fight against it, perhaps it would still be up there. You should have noted the lack of pertinent information, the play of data like changing the name of Daniel Veridiano to Daniel Peridiano, the dropping of his alias which was there before. The contents were made to appear that it was the first time the case was filed, supressing the data that the Department of justice was re-filing a dismissed fraudulent rape case. You didn't know that behind this all was the arc enemy of Soriano's group, the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC)where Daniel Veridiano, aka Puto, a dismissed member of Soriano's group, went to.

We now have the right to delete that second paragraph about the alleged rape case. If you didn't know, this INC group had been filing case after fraudulent case against Soriano. They have several websites, in fact, intended to destroy him. Janeabao 06:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I have included a new reference. There are others. Have you corrected your blog? Moriori 08:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Placed a Note, But....

Yes, I placed a note. Here it is: "Note: 10/17/2006 04:34 Today, ABS-CBN Interactive deleted their page about Soriano. It is not there anymore. Wikipedia was duly notified through Moriori about this. However, Wikipedia placed another reference. That shall be treated in another forum."

However, we have to correct the clause, "but it is not known when Soriano will appear in court." This is not legal language. Janeabao 17:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sunrise

Honestly, I don't know. I could guess, (I've been playing with a globe for the past 20 minutes), but I'm no expert in the subject. My opinion is that the statement garners significant doubt and, as it is not sourced, should be removed until a source can be found to confirm it. Hope this helps! -- Rmrfstar 00:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello RJH, in light of your interest in astronomy, can you take a look at the sixth paragraph in Sunrise, namely "Due to Earth's axial tilt, the direction of sunrise is always to the northeast from the March equinox to the September equinox and to the southeast from the September equinox to the March equinox." Sure there's a tilt but not so much to apply that statement to the southern hemisphere as well. Is it? Cheers. Moriori 20:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Okay I'll take a shot at it. I think I would probably say north of due east, rather than "northeast", and I do believe the offset is both true north and south of the equator. But it wouldn't apply north of the arctic circle (or south of the antarctic circle). The analemma article covers the topic of the Sun's angular offset fairly well. I believe the Sun only comes up due east on an equinox. — RJH (talk) 20:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Papakura

I think what you reverted to is worse than what was there. You could remove the entire section if you want, but I asked about this on the talk page hoping to get the author to clean it up, and they did to some extent.- gadfium 07:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

You are right. I thought I was taking it back to Dramatic's version, the one before the curious additions by 202.150.114.47. Have done so now. Moriori 07:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Victoria Cross

Thanks for the note. If you follow the reference that I provided, 1/3 of the way down the page in the 'Awards for Gallantry' section, you will find the text I quoted. It's a pretty confident assertion, on an MoD information page, so I'm inclined to accept it as being fairly authoritative. Having said that, it is vaguely unsatisfactory to rely on a secondary source like this - ideally we should take a look as the Royal warrant, reference directly from that. I'll see if I can find a copy over the next day or so.

Best wishes, Xdamrtalk 01:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Paranormal

It was alphabetized to bring it in line with the precedent set by the largest wikiproject on the site. --InShaneee 19:57, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It most certainly was not. I alphabetised it, yesterday, because that is a neutral way to present such a list. IMMHO it currently looks sophomoric, but that's the price we pay for "anyone can edit". Being alphabetically ranked below a certain Wiki loonytune is enough of a cross to bear, without a numerical list suggesting lower ranking adding insult to injury. You didn't remove my name as requested, so I have done so. Moriori 20:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
It isn't my job to take care of your editing. If you want to leave because you can't have your way, that's not my problem. I'm the organizer of the project, and I'm 12th, if you haven't noticed. That's how alphabetical order works. The numbers are there so we can track how many members we have. This isn't MySpace; if you don't like having your name on the same page as other people, you're going to have a very, very unpleasant time here. --InShaneee 20:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Please explain how any editor can have "a very, very unpleasant time here" simply because they choose not to have their name on a list. Moriori 22:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
This is a public project. My name's on your talk page now, and yours is on mine. "Yahoos" are going to edit the things you write, and their names will appear right next to, and eventually above, your in the history. People are going to draw associations about you simply by being here; I'm just saying that if you're uncomfortable not having the correct number in front of your name on a page that less than 2 dozen people see, then I firmly believe that you're going to find things getting far worse as you go on. --InShaneee 23:01, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I've been around here long enough to recognise bullying when I see it. Your subsequent attempt to sidetrack says volumes about you. I mentioned only a particular list, nothjng more, and certainly none of the irrelevancies you have replied with. A simple "gee, I shouldn't have said that" would have been a principled response, but no, you tried to sidetrack. I expected much more of an admin. Incidentally, I left the same query on your talk page, so am copying your response, and mine, over there. Moriori 23:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm just trying to explain to you that you left for very vain reasons that won't serve you at all here. And be careful how you throw around accusations like that. --InShaneee 23:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Vain? Oh my! Are you the guy who said "I'm the organiser of the project"? Now that's vanity. Remember -- anyone can edit Wikipedia. Hey, you're pretty good at veiled threats, aren't you!. Yet another one, I see. Anyway, I'm big enough to forget that, and will help you out with "your" project. I just don't see a need to be on that list anymore. Moriori 23:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geller as a self-proclaimed psychic

Also, it can be proven that Sagan was an astronomer. Geller hasn't proven that he has psychic abilities. (But it may depend on your definition of "psychic".) Bubba73 (talk), 21:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Revert

are you a member of INC? why do you keep putting the rape charge on top? it's not even proven yet. there have been plethora of cases filed by INC against soriano which have been proven to be false by the court. what's your reason for putting it on top of the article? you're abusing your power as an administrator. Pendulumswingsx 20:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I do not support any religious faction, in any religion. I am helping to construct an encyclopedia, to encyclopedic standards and style. This person is a prominent preacher, is controversial, and is accused of rape. He is getting no different treatment from others in Wikipedia, such as (examples) fellow churchmen Ted Haggard or Jim Bakker, or famous baseballer O. J. Simpson who is far from being a churchman which demonstrates the evenhandedness of Wiki. Moriori 21:24, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Further to this, I see you have again reverted to your sanitised version. I am changing it back to the format used in the examples given above. Now that the examples have been pointed out to you, if you revert again it will be considered to not be a good faith edit. In other words it will be vandalism for which you can be blocked from editing. I note that you have been editing Wiki as User:Pendulumswingsx for less than four hours , and in that time have made 18 edits, 14 of them to this Soriano article. Rather than you asking me if I am a member of a religious faction, the question might usefully be put to you. Moriori 21:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

you obviously don't know the whole story about the ongoing conflict between INC and Soriano's church. INC is doing everything to destroy Soriano's group because their followers have been leaving their church and moving to ADD due to the exposes of soriano on their churchs corruption. They're the ones proven by court with murder of students and roasting of people. Unfortunately, "excommunicated" ADD members who were infuriarted with Soriano joined INC to spite him. This is just one of the case that theyve filed against him to destroy him. They even accused him of murder which was proven untrue. INCs credibility and their members have been tarnished a long time ago and their statements, accusations against Soriano or his church should not be taken seriously.Pendulumswingsx 22:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Editors don't necessarily need to know the "whole story" about the subject of any article. Good editors regularly add value to Wikipedia by refining the writing and construction of articles outside their expertise, removing POV and obvious bias, and seeking citations for questionable statements. They work on what they see, without being influenced by biased followers or biased critics. In fact, the less an experienced editor knows about the content of some contentious articles, the more valuable his/her contribution may be. Moriori 07:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] It's 10pm where I live....

....so I'm off to bed. Anyone wants me, I will be back eightish tomorrow morning (Monday), 20:00 UTC (Sunday) . Daylight saving excepted. Moriori 09:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NC16002

The claim itself is speculative by another site, or in this case the specific report. Speculation is okay so long as it's by what Mr. Charles Fort alluded to as the scientific clergy, eh? There is no evidence he misidentified his position, especially as the ETA Linquist gave was how long it would take to get there after being blown off course that far. --Chr.K. 16:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Replied at the article's talk page. Moriori 20:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Basketdove

There is no need to warn the user after the user has already stopped and been warned by multiple people. JoshuaZ 21:16, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, you don't know if the user has completely stopped or intends to continue later. Secondly, he was asked to stop by others, but not warned. Thirdly, he ignored pleas to stop editing contrary to MOS, thereby justifying a warning. I see he has subsequently been warned by another editor too. Moriori 21:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] shaylee

Hi, You have recently deleted "Shaylee", while I was editing its talk page (questioning the validity of the page ), so we now have a talk page with no article. can you delete talk:Shaylee too please? Cheers--Bilbo B 08:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't aware we could get an edit conflict like that, but it's fixed now. Cheers Moriori 08:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. oh and good night:-)--Bilbo B 08:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Paranormal again

You don't have a 'right' to do anything here. Precident has said that Wikiprojects are allowed to administer their own spaces, and in general, ourselves included, do not like non-members editing our spaces. Do not do it again. --InShaneee 04:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Please see your talk page. I have blocked you from editing for 24 hours because of your deliberate breach of 3RR. As for your comments here, I have asked you to put them to the test. Moriori 08:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Moriori, please lift your block on InShaneee. While edit warring is undesirable, I see only three reverts, which is not a breach of 3RR, and you should not yourself block someone you are involved in a dispute with.-gadfium 08:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
In the interest of not crossposting, please read the message I have left at User talk:InShaneee#You've had your little bit of fun. Suffice it to say that neither of you acted in a particularly admirable manner. --tjstrf talk 09:16, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paranormal Vanishing

After having seen you're little set to with InShaneee (not a good way to make friends), may I suggest that it would be good politics if you made improving Paranormal vanishing your number 1 priority over the weekend.

A good rule of thumb for this kind of article would be to use the following format.

  1. Introduction paragraph explaining the phenomena
  2. Example's of relitively uncontentious vanishings listed in chronological order from early to modern times. With maybe one or two contentious examples thrown into the mix.
  3. Pro-anti statements from different authors including notable fake cases and hypothesis of what causes them if they ar real (Jerome Clark's unexplained has some good examples of hoaxes, and John A. Keel has some good stuff on te hypothesis that vanishings are the result of people dropping in/out of other dimensions).
  4. A see also section

don't forget to cite your sources.

Hope that this helps you to build a solid page that escapes deletion.

perfectblue 09:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I am sure you are well intentioned, but no. It's a neologism for one and therefore risks AfD listing, so I'd rather not spend any time on it. Moriori 01:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:In the news

I'm saying, the numbers are the same if they're comparing the same thing (gold medals.) 24 is his age. It looks very awkward the way it is now, but that's just me. Grandmasterka 07:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numbers as words in the MOS

Regarding [7], you may note that the relevant section of the Manual of Style rightly states that numbers above 10 may be spelled out in words, and that numbers in the same list or context should have the same form. —Centrx→talk • 07:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

That will be the reason then why 24 was changed to twenty four ):- Hey, I am really amused by someone saying they remember it from fourth grade grammar. Really made my day. Cheers. Moriori 07:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

In case you miss it, I've apologized here -sorry. << armon >> 13:13, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wtf

why did you delete that ???? you have no right to.

[edit] wtf

what is wrong with you??????????

Nothing, And I haven';t time to waste on vandals. Moriori 03:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JumpJet

Hardly "very dated" with a 2006 ref in it. Website is still running and has 2006 dates on it. Looks like it is still going to be set up. Happy for article to be updated when new info comes along, or for it to be moved to defunct airlines if it is never established. Ardfern 21:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] License tagging for Image:Mission House at Kerikeri.jpg

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[edit] Kemp House

Historical places trust are curently calling it Mission House - Kemp House [8], but I went with just Kemp house cause that's what the locals seemed to call it. On the other hand, sounds like you're local, so feel free to correct the Jafa :-).Winstonwolfe 23:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Politics at work. There were raised eyebrows when HPT said they would revert to the Mission House name because the Kemp family has had no connection with thre building for 30 something years. They compromised by using Mission House/Kemp House in literature/signage, but it is odds on Kemp will be dropped over time. In Kerikeri the old name seems to have caught on without too much fuss. Moriori 01:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, and incidentally good work on the Stone Store article :-). Winstonwolfe 06:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exactly how is an images size determined anyways?

It was only a small increase. I guess I was being too ballsyJoanee Woolee 02:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

If the page looks unbalanced, it usually is. Large pics can overpower pages, especially where there is sparse text. That's why they are formatted to be smallish on the page but capable of being enlarged by the reader. Being ballsy is fine, but don't forget that page also says "be bold in updating pages" does not mean that you should make large changes ....... without carefully looking at your edit. Seems to me you missed seeing the pic was dominating the page. Cheers. Moriori 02:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pamir (ship)

Hi Moriori, I really liked the changes you did to the Pamir (ship) article. Just one question: Why did you delete the reasons for the shipwreck that were officially ruled to be decisive, leaving only one contented cause (the leak)? As I'm not very familiar with nautical vocabulary, I'd rather not just revert that paragraph to the prior version. At any rate, I think the current version is not only incomplete, it also lacks a NPOV.--Ibn Battuta 19:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello there. The bits I excised were not obviously sourced, such as "Too many sails were still set,......hatchways and other openings were not closed in time....... the loose grain in the cargo shifted......... the captain didn't order to flood the ballast tanks that would have helped the ship to right herself again". May all be true, but need cites, otherwise it is Wikipedia making these claims. Cheers. Moriori 21:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Relax, those are facts which are commonly not sourced. I'm actually kind of amused because you deleted all those facts, leaving only the one hypothetical reason (the leak), which is debated to this day. :o) But hey, I'm all on your side if you want to source even facts (I'm all for it on a project like Wikipedia because it facilitates figuring out where information comes from and whether it's credible etc. etc.) Sooo: Here are some sources, ranging from very detailed ship info to rather detailed info about the shipwreck, but not completely NPOV to very brief, but representing another source for the grain shift to another short one, just for the shifted cargo (even though the claim of "inadequately" stowing is debated) to general information (excluding the shipwreck). Let me know if you need more - or simply google yourself, e.g., "Pamir grain". (Other searches will probably provide further information...) Not surprisingly, however, most online and offline sources (including the ruling of the Maritime Board of Inquiry) are in German.
In other words: Before you just delete decent information, could you simply go next time and look up who added it, and send that person a friendly message that you want more sources? That would help Wikipedia much more to become a well-sourced, but comprehensive encyclopedia than will any deleting. --Ibn Battuta 22:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
PS: BTW, remember the nice little {{cn}} tag? ... --Ibn Battuta 22:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey. If you argue that certain info justifies inclusion in wiki, you provide sources for it. Moriori 23:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Don't get worked up, please. You deleted something, that's what I've criticized. In particular, you deleted something that 1) concerns facts and thus does not need sources according to Wikipedia standards (for example, we ordinarily don't cite sources for people's birthdates or for the fact that someone was President of the US; ask me for further examples if you wish), and it was 2) a part of an article that you thought was questionable because it did not cite its sources--but it's a fact that there are better ways to deal with this problem, and I've pointed them out to you--namely a) contacting people and b) the {{cn}} tag. If you didn't know about the tag, fine. Even though you could've contacted me nonetheless. If you want to have a fight instead, forget about it. Look for other users who're up for one.
Overall, then, your last response seems rather off-topic, but whatever. As a matter of fact: Yes, you required me (albeit unnecessarily) to justify my edits, and yes, I provided sources. So what's your problem? :o) But again, that's off-topic. I argued that you were wrong to delete, and I argued for that--not for the information in the article. Small differences make life beautiful. --Ibn Battuta 01:03, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
It's such a nice Saturday afternnoon, and I'm relaxing, sipping a coldie and swapping between live coverages of NZ open golf in Auckland and the second cricket test in Adelaide (c'mon the poms). So, you'll understand if I make only a couple of short comments, which are -- I removed claims that were not sourced. They may be accurate, but have to have cites/quotes/references to prove it. Feel free to restore the info, but if it lacks supportive cites it will again be deleted. It's three for 313 so I'm opening another stubbie. Moriori 01
38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay, let's call it a tie ;o) ... So I would just repeat my above request with all due respect and all the friendliness that you can imagine on a sunny day in Auckland (lucky you!): Next time you see lacking sources, please just think of the Auckland sun and your coldie, and be nice and 1) flag it with {{cn}}, and/or 2) contact the user who did it (if it wasn't an IP), and/or 3) differentiate whether speculation (need citations) or facts (don't need citations). Pleeease :o) ... ... ... And as for the article, I'll restore just that part, and we'll see if someone else has objections. Does that sound acceptable? --Ibn Battuta 03:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
~sigh~ Listen, could you please just reread the rules of what has and what doesn't have to be cited? This is getting slightly tiresome! --Ibn Battuta 00:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] ?Accidental deletion in error-

Hi Moriori: This my first encounter to use 'Talk' function. You had deleted 'Vinod B. Shidham ' article with the reason '(He may exist, but this article doesn't establish that. Or give necessary bio details.)'. What bio-details are needed? Plesae communicate, if there are specific guidelines. I had included some links. This was created with reference to a link with 'cytojournal'. Similarly Barbara F. Atkinson was also deleted- which was also created with refrence to link in 'cytojournal'. Please suggest proper way. December 9,2006, 3.45 am USA

[edit] Pamir (ship)

Hi Moriori, you haven't yet replied to my last post on the Pamir discussion page. Just to let you know that I responded to your concerns a few days ago. If I should not hear from you within a week, I will take that as your consent to re-include the debated sentence. If you have objections, however, please specify them (see the said last post), and I will try to address your concerns. Thanks.

BTW, I've seen that you've also taken out the reason why no life boats were deployed (impossible because Pamir listed too much already). As I read that you are concerned about keeping a NPOV and about not blaming the ship's captain, IMHO this change has actually not been for the better: There was actually a reason why no boats were deployed, but the article now deliberately keeps silent about it. Did you have a specific reason to take the sentence out despite the fact that this--like the other debated issue--1) is a fact, and 2) has a source that is already given on the WP article? Thanks in advance.--Ibn Battuta 01:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On holiday?

Hi Moriori, I notice you haven't edited for about four weeks. If you're on holiday, I hope you've had a good time. If there's a more serious reason for your absence, just want you to know that you're missed.gadfium

Welcome back.-gadfium 05:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, Welcome back :) Brian | (Talk) 05:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Tks to both. I really shouldn't have made these last couple of fleeting visits because of time constraints. I had a tour around and am appalled by some of the additions that have been made to various articles. I have been a Wiki supporter for many years, as well as contributing earlier for a long time before getting an account, and it pains me to see the unchallenged drivel in some areas. Wiki has some superb authoritative information, but it's being dragged down by crap, and we all know that the media will always concentrate on the lowest denominator rather than the topmost. OK, so I'm ranting, but I'm also tossing up whether I should ever bother coming back. Please don't be offended if you dion't see any response to any comments you might place here. I'm outta here again for a while. Cheers. Moriori 06:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Auckland Meetup 2 Scheduled - Feb 10 2007

You are invited to Auckland Meetup 2 on the afternoon of Saturday February 10th 2007 at Galbraith's Ale House in Mt Eden. Please see Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland 2 for details. You can also bookmark Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland to be informed of future NZ meetups. - SimonLyall 06:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Skyview High School (Thornton, Colorado)

I have added a "{{prod}}" template to the article Skyview High School (Thornton, Colorado), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at its talk page. Removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, but the article may still be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria. —Dgiest c 17:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey Invitation

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[edit] Re: Sunrise pics

I made that edit for the same reason I make all edits: to try to make the encyclopedia better. I saw a relatively lo-res picture on there, and replaced it with a more detailed one, that just happened to be orange instead of red. The article already mentions that there can be red sunrises, but if you really feel like it needs your red sunrise in the article then go ahead and re-add it. --Daniel Olsen 02:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello Daniel, I will, but not because I feel it needs MY pic there. I think the pic is marginally better than the pic that exists. I can also see why both should be featured, so I am adding it. Lo-res v detailed doesn't always apply when people visit an article, because what they see is what they see. If they click on image xxxx for a larger display, and consensus is that that display is too lo-res, then ok, image xxxx should be removed from Wikipedia.Moriori 05:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kaka

Hi. I was wondering why Kaka had these inflections all over it and I saw the talk page arguments and then a link that didn't work where the debate was supposed to continue. Was anything resolved? Can you point me in the direction of the debate? Cheers. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:55, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

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