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"Stefanie Reines of Drive-Thru Records heard the album from the band Midtown and later re-released the album in 1999" Could someone please rewrite that sentance to be less confusing. Did the band Midtown pass a copy of NFG's album on to Stefanie? Or what else was it that happened?

Can we please stop putting James down for a current member? The band already announced that he is not part of the band anymore. New Found Glory only has five members. Source: [1] --Sharpdust 22:25, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Future of Article 2 Genre 3 Change to Article 4 Singles 5 Members section

[edit] Future of Article

Does anybody have any suggestions as to what is necessary for this article as well as New Found Glory-related articles.

The singles chart has been added, the "This Disaster" article has been created, what else? More singles articles? I made the "All Downhill From Here" one but the only other one that I feel needs creation is "My Friends Over You".

Maybe a category for New Found Glory albums? I don't think that "The Story So Far" DVD warrants an article, if somebody feels differently go for it.

But anyways, if anybody's got some good suggestions, post them, there surprisingly is not a lot of discussion on this band. Sharpdust 07:32, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

There is a Category:New Found Glory albums. And I really don't like the seperate articles for the band members. I think the little information they provide might be better suited in more detailed subsections of the "Members" section on the NFG article page. They would have to be completely re-written, as most of them are POV, unreferenced and contain sentences like "Pundik also possesses one of the most unique voices among all other pop-punk vocalists in the US." (from the Jordan Pundik article) which make absolutely no sense.

I also think the article needs more substance in general, as it's basically nothing more than a rundown of chart positions of their albums. I will have some free time on my hands in the coming weeks, so I might do a little work on the article. -HarryCane 11:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genre

Isn't 1 of their genres 'Emo' or something? Another genre debate.. but I gotta know. I mean, I was told they're Emo, and they even appeared on MTV2 on "So Emo-Tional"... Just need to know.. -Dor—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.178.208.233 (talk • contribs) .

They are labeled emo by various (so-called professional) sources, yes. But the term is tossed around way too haphazardly nowadays, and attached to a very broad spectrum of bands (some of which have very little in common besides maybe their fanbase). It has become more of a description for a "scene" rather than a musical genre. NFG's music, however, is hardly to be considered emo-influenced, but largely hardcore punk and punk rock-influenced, hence the genres on this page. --HarryCane 18:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

How are to you say that your opinion is better than a "so called professional"? "Melodic hardcore" does not sound like the correct genre because when I look in the bands section of Melodic hardcore, I see bands like Rise Against and Strike Anywhere. Neither of these bands' sound anything like New Found Glory. On the bands purevolume page [2] it says they are labeled as emo and pop-punk. As far as I'm concerned, I think an official website promoted by the band is concerned more appropriate than your opinion. This definitely needs further discussion, so please reply back. 69.142.32.146 14:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Just a couple of things to clear up first — I'd like to keep this as civil as possible, so please excuse me if I sound too much like a smartass, I really don't mean to. Please let me know if you disagree with me on any of this. I've said it often and I'll gladly say it again: What a band (or the label intern that runs the respective site) writes on their homepage/PureVolume/MySpace profile is not always a correct classification of a band's genre. For an artists it is very hard to label one's own music, because it is impossible to look at it objectively. Also, I have never said my opinion is better than the one of a so-called professional in any way. I am not the one who listed melodic hardcore in the genres, so please don't try and make it look like I'm forcing my opinion on anybody. Sorry if that wasn't your intention, but people tend to attack me because I express my opinion in these genre discussions.

Anyway, back to the topic. Please keep in mind that genres do not only apply to one or two bands. If you look at other bands on that list, not all of them have the exact same sound. It is not uncommon that two bands affiliated to the same musical style or genre sound nothing alike, yet they are tagged the same solely for their shared roots and influences (or other factors that amount to a certain classification). In the case of New Found Glory, they have often stated that they were largely influenced by local Hardcore punk bands (which is fairly obvious given Chad's previous band Shai Hulud, as well as his backing vocals since Sticks and Stones), hence some derivative form of harcore punk should definitively be mentioned in the genre column. Also, it is paired with pop punk, to take away a little emphasis from the melodic hardcore-part. Here's a good quote from Chad concerning this (I am aware that it stands in direct contrast to what I wrote about a band not being able to classify their own music properly):

"We have the energy of a hardcore band, but it's a little bit more melodic." [3]

Lastly, emo (as I already stated) is more of a term used for a scene, rather than a musical genre. If you like, you can read the Emo (music) article on the whole history — the gist however is that Jimmy Eat World was the last band to be considered emo when the genre died down, they changed their style and every band that sounded similar to their new 'alienated' form of emo was automatically, and most importantly, incorrectly labelled "emo" — a common mistake made by many "so-called professional" music journalists, who IMO should know better. Nowadays, "emo" has become more of an insult (as in "You stupid emo!") and it is often used with negative connotations. The original, musical form of emo (the basis for the term) has little to do with New Found Glory's music, despite being another sub-genre of hardcore punk. --HarryCane 16:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Change to Article

Alright, well I removed their genre Melodic Hardcore because the band is definitely the farthest thing from it. They have soft melodies, and sing extremely high-pitched. If you want to hear Melodic Hardcore try looking up some bands that are mentioned on the Melodic Hardcore wikipedia page, you’ll notice they sound nothing at all like New Found Glory. As much as it seems some of you would like this band to be hardcore and all that, they are not. Please just accept they are nothing more than a Pop-punk band and stop changing their genre. leave it the way it is. Thank you.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.184.10 (talk • contribs).

Well, they are definitely (melodic) hardcore-influenced, and simply labelling them "pop" instead of "rock" is a little general (and above all, incorrect). Maybe not on their most recent work, but most definitely on anything prior to that. Please look into the power pop article as they are a hell of a lot more melodic hardcore than they are power pop. Also, take in consideration the introduction of the section "List of melodic hardcore bands" in the melodic hardcore article, which very well applies to New Found Glory. Lastly, please only change such things as genre and musical styles if you can provide sources stating that the band is not harcore-influenced, but power pop-influenced (which should be impossible), per WP:V. --HarryCane 12:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Alright I agree that they have some hardcore influence BUT since when does a band's genre come from what they're influenced by? If a band is influenced by Classical music does that put them in the classical genre? I don't think so, so why would the fact that a band is influenced by hardcore music doesn't set thim in the Melodic Hardcore genre?Scubster 03:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Genres are all about influences. They're about shared patterns, rhythms, sounds, influences and chord progressions with other acts. If it wasn't, we would need a single genre for each and every band, because two bands will never sound exactly the same. --HarryCane 16:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

so basically you're telling me that every band in the world should be put in the same genre because if you go by influence everyone is influenced by a band who was influenced by another band who was influenced by another band so then wouldn't the genre of every band be the same cause if you going by influence you have to include the enfluence of the other bands cause they technically are influencing the band that is influencing the first said band. basically what I'm saying is genres aren't about influence it's about the music your playing it's classiflying and categorizing the current style of music cause if you put your influences genres in your genre then you might have a really long list of genres heading all the back to pretty much classical music. I vote take out Melodic Hardcore cause it doens't belong with New Found Glory they're a Pop Punk/Rock band and nothing more.Scubster 14:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I really don't know how you got all that from what I wrote earlier. Where exactly did I say that every band should be labelled "classical music"? Whatever, if the melodic hardcore label is taken out, it should at least be mentioned that they are hardcore-influenced, because it shows in their music (except for maybe on their latest effort) that their roots lie within the hardcore genre. --HarryCane 19:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

You didn't diectly, but what you did say is that genres are influence and everyone is influenced by classical music.Scubster 02:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't say that (that everyone is influenced by classical music). And I certainly don't believe that. --HarryCane 12:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I know you didn't say that everyone is influenced by classical music, I said that because you said that genres are about influence but ever type of music dates back to classical. So, technically everyone is influenced by classical music (like it or not they are.) We could date it back even further but I'm too lazy to do that.Scubster 19:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Singles

I have created an article for my friends over you, mainly because this is their breakthrough song, at least onto the commercial scene, feel free to add or takeaway as long as it improves the article01:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)Titch31

[edit] Members section

I think the members' seperate articles have been tagged "merge into New Found Glory" long enough (a Grushka article doesn't even exist) and there were mostly no opposing arguments against a move. I still don't think what little information is there on each member warrants an article on its own, so a merge would in my opinion be appropriate. I put a little temp page together at User:HarryCane/New_Found_Glory_members. I'm going to do my best and reference what's there, and I'd love it if we could somehow get a license-free headshot of each member (preferrably cropped from one photograph) to accompany their subsection. Let me know what you think. --HarryCane 10:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

No one's got an opinion on this?`--HarryCane 17:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

'My friends over you' was the last video ever played on Much Music before it changed its name to Fuse. We should add that to there somewhere.The Clydelishes Clyde 21:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)