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Contents 1 Huh? 2 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hannah Hobley 3 NHL Hockey Hall of Fame 4 Summer camps 5 Your real name Traynor? 5.1 Red Mile 6 World Hockey Association (proposed) 7 This user thinks that registration should be required to edit articles. 8 Pittsburgh Penguin HOFs 9 Well, this is amusing 10 List of NHL players 11 Jean Pronovost 12 World Hockey Association (proposed) 13 Merge and naming proposal for world junior championships 14 Junior B Teams 15 NHL featured? 16 English vs non english names for cities 17 Edits 18 I have removed the merge tag from Thunder Bay Northern Hawks 19 Article Deletion 20 I find it hard to believe... 21 Bio Box move 22 ECHL Wheeling affiliation 23 Captain (Ice Hockey) 24 Black Hawks 25 Western Massachusetts 26 Non-notable collectible card game players 27 World Hockey Association 28 About Niklas Bäckström 29 Admin 30 Ray Bourque 31 Bobby Orr 32 Wal-Mart in Plymouth 33 1966-67 NHL season 34 Mary Garden Unsourced Tag 35 Winnipeg Jets: Return to Winnipeg POV 36 1966-67 season NHL at wikipedia 37 Antero Nittymaki 38 New Jersey Devils 39 Philadelphia Flyers

[edit] Huh?

What for? CJ DUB 19:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

You are kidding, aren't you? Why you have a mad on for the Senators I've no idea, but your unconstructive edits, from "choker" jerseys to parodies, are unwelcome, constitute vandalism, and are soaking up the time and trouble of other editors to fix; this is a neutral, serious encyclopedia, not a partisan blog. I suggest WP:VANDAL if you're unfamiliar with Wikipedia's rules on the same. RGTraynor 19:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Well re: Sens thing. I say we put it to a vote. I noticed some people reverted that choker thing before I even did. Haha. They must be looking at the history list, which by itself is pretty funny. CJ DUB 19:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there are many blogs and bulletin boards out there where you can frolic to your heart's content. Wikipedia isn't the place for it. RGTraynor 19:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Would it be appropriate to include a Team Parody section on team sites to the page to categorically archive the many creative statements that fans and rivals have put together over the years. It would spur on original thinking for future endeavors at being the ultimate fan or ultimate rival. This would embiggen the overall history of the encyclopedia. These sorts of things are very cromulent.Djjtox 19:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah! Exactly what I've been saying all along. The image is a legitmate Wiki entry. Accoridng to wiki rules we should discuss the relative merits, of including peripheral stuff to the team (Sens); such as mascots, team myths and legends, famous fans like Mike Myers, the kinds of drinks they serve in the concessions and how much the cost to buy. I think it would improve the page. CJ DUB 19:43, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

• I've started a new discussion forum to deal with this sort of thing for the OTT SENS site hopefully it will end up on other teams discussion pages and ultimately on the team page in some form. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ottawa_Senators#Team_Ultimate_Fan_and_Rival_Section

Djjtox 20:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

• I'll double post it there, but basically, no, it would not be appropriate per WP:NOT, WP:NOR. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan forum or a blog. To quote: "Wikipedia is first and foremost an online encyclopedia and, as a means to that end, an online community. Please avoid the temptation to use Wikipedia for other purposes, or to treat it as something it is not." RGTraynor 20:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hannah Hobley

Please do not use AfD to make disparaging comments about the subject of the article, it disrupts the discussion (as you can see). 68.166.50.142 16:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

As it happens, the disruption was caused by an anonymous user and serial vandal who chose to launch personal attacks in violation of WP:CIVIL before vandalizing the AfD discussion archive itself. Perhaps you could save some ire for that user, something I note you have not yet done; for my part, I'd prefer to blame the arsonist rather than the fellow who dared to build a house which he might have predicted could possibly be set ablaze by vandals. That being said, noting that a 17-year-old wannabe actress has failed to perform at a level higher than local community theatre (which is true) and that she's willing to perform in the nude for money (which she indeed stated on the bio link) might be "disparaging," but certainly factual. RGTraynor 16:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NHL Hockey Hall of Fame

I reverted your edtis that reverted my edits, the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto is the NHL Hockey Hall of Fame. It was established by the NHL in 1961 not 1943, it has been to this day operated by the NHL. I see you are a member of the Society for International Hockey Research. You can check with them. --JohnnyCanuck 15:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I am a hockey historian myself. I reviewed JohnnyCanucks edits as well as yours. His edits appear to be correct although not popular with the NHL, (some edits is new info to me but most I knew about like dates and NHL seizing support to establish there own Hall) the edits that are new to me appear to be correct based on that the are inline with the facts I do know about. As he mentioned this could be confirmed with the Society for International Hockey Research. All his edits about the Hockey Hall of Fame’s appear to be correct. How many NHL books mention about the 1970’s NHL European team London Lions? This is another thing the NHL just wanted to sweep under the rug and hope it is forgotten. --69.156.148.239 09:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Summer camps

RGTraynor, I've asked a question on the Camp Miriam AfD, specifically, what are the "guidelines for notability" regarding summer camps? Where are they found? Jayjg ^(talk) 21:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I take it you went ahead and posted here without reading the blurb on top of the page, huh? RGTraynor 02:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your real name Traynor?

Hello: Just discovered your user page. Out of curiosity, are you related to Roger J. Traynor by any chance? That would be really cool if you were. Then perhaps you could grant permission on behalf of the Traynor family to release photographs of the famous Chief Justice under the GFDL! --Coolcaesar 04:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

It's likely, but the connections would go back to Ireland, in any event, and since my own branch of the Traynors weren't from Ulster, at least five generations. Of course I've heard of the great jurist -- considering I'm a paralegal -- but he would be the first to say that the only people who were legally entitled to execute any such release would be his heirs-at-law, which I'm not. RGTraynor 19:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red Mile

May I make an edit to the article about the Red Mile about how the local Police would like to put a complete end to the Red Mile and have it exist no more? Let me know if this is suitable. Max.pwnage 22:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

You sure can; that's what Wikipedia is for! Your best bet, though, is to provide a source for the assertion, either by footnoting it to a newspaper article quote or to an external link to a local Calgary paper online. The source must be credible -- in other words, a newspaper or TV article, not some forum or blog post. Go for it! RGTraynor 20:45, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World Hockey Association (proposed)

I was thinking of doing some major cleanup on World Hockey Association (proposed) but I figured I better ask before doing so so is it ok to clean up the site? John R G 05:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you seldom need to ask, per se; we're all editors together. Your work may be ruthlessly scrutinized and changed, of course, but that's par for the course. Go for it. RGTraynor 13:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This user thinks that registration should be required to edit articles.

This user thinks that registration should be required to edit articles.

I like that idea it should be made into a category. Alot of people would join that category including me. Go ahead and make it a category. John R G 19:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

It already is: RGTraynor 19:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pittsburgh Penguin HOFs

I realize Horton and Kelly only spent fractions of their careers with the Penguins, but even their media guides list them as Penguin Hall of Famers. If it's good enough for the Pens themselves, it should be good enough for this forum.SportsEditor 02:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

You're certainly welcome to make the argument over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey/Team_pages_format and see if you can win a consensus for your POV. The current governing consensus is, however, that despite feelgood efforts by NHL teams to plump up their totals, no one (for example) looks at Tim Horton or Red Kelly as HHOFers and think anything other than Toronto Maple Leafs. The governing criteria is that to be listed under a particular team, an Honoured Member must have played several seasons and/or otherwise had impact seasons that materially affected his election to the Hall. This certainly wasn't the case for either Horton or Kelly. RGTraynor 05:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Well, this is amusing

I don't think I've ever stumbled across someone online whom I already knew in real life. Any articles you think I should be helping with? Ladlergo 12:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Why, hello there! How goes it with you? Hm ... truth be told, our areas of expertise are likely divergent, and you don't look like you just stumbled across Wikipedia last week or anything, so I bet your judgment is trustable. (grins) RGTraynor 19:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

If you were online when I was, we wouldn't have to exchange pleasantries here. ;) I hit WP during work, although I'm shortly to become unemployed again.

I've been working on Wii recently, although I've also poked at a number of the Amber-related pages and some assorted anime pages. However, my most common edit seems to be "WP is not a crystal ball," followed by "PoV, no reference." I was appalled when I went to the page for minor dark wizards in HP. I'll be stripping out the speculation there, though I might have to remind people that what I'm doing is not vandalism, because "WP is not a CB." Sigh. Ladlergo 20:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

It could be worse; you could be an AfD frequent flyer like I am. (It's something I can do in five minute burst from work, away from my home library which I use for article creation) Just push my button and I spew out "Delete per nom, NN, fails WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:BALLS." Works like clockwork, I tell you! RGTraynor 20:44, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of NHL players

Hey RGTraynor, how are you? Long time no talk to. Anyways, i want to make you aware that the entire list of NHL players has been speedy deleted without discussion in a matter of hours. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NHL players A Wikipedia:Deletion review#National Hockey League player lists this is the guy that did it User:Pschemp. What are your thoughts on the matter? Masterhatch 07:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jean Pronovost

Sorry, i just thinking I'm in the french wiki... --Woww 02:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World Hockey Association (proposed)

I have been removing some information from World Hockey Association (proposed) but someone keeps putting it back on the site. I do not feel that you need to have the problems with the NHL lockout on the World Hockey Association (proposed) site. It is two seperate leagues. That is why I removed it. I think it is unnecessary. John R G 05:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I disagree. The whole notion behind WHA II was that they'd take advantage of the (then-potential) lockout to get some serious major league players and action, and that certainly was the thrust behind most of the press coverage at the time. RGTraynor 08:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

This is the World Hockey Association (proposed) site not the NHL site with its labor problems. The World Hockey Association (proposed) probably doesnt even have a union which is great. I really dont think they need the info about the NHL labor problems in this site. It is not related. John R G 17:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It's not the point; the point is that the proposed WHA never would have even been a pipe dream, nor received any serious coverage or interest at all, if it hadn't been for the impending lockout. That's a valid bit of information. RGTraynor 23:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I still dont understand this but im not mad at you. I hope you see my point. I will take this to the talk page of WHA proposed and see what happens. I just feel that the nhl is something different than the wha proposed. John R G 05:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge and naming proposal for world junior championships

Talk:World Junior Ice Hockey Championships If you're interested. Thanks.
D'oh! forgot to sign ... ColtsScore 09:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC) (not used to entry boxes soo fancy-schmancy). :)

[edit] Junior B Teams

Hello, a user has decided that he does not want us placing hockey stubs on Wikipedia to expand later into teams. In particular he doesn't like Junior teams... I was wondering if you could please voice your opinion. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thunder Bay Northern Hawks DMighton 03:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NHL featured?

Hey RGTraynor, I want to apply for featured article status for the NHL status, can you post any suggestions to improve the article on the talk page. Thanks, -- Jeff3000 03:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] English vs non english names for cities

Hello RGTraynor, i hope all is well with you. Right now there is a poll here Talk:Plzeň about whether to use the English name for the city or the czech name for the city. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks Masterhatch 02:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

I'd really like to know what your reasoning is for the edits you've made. I realize there's a rule that Hall of Famers should only be listed if their contributions to that team were significant, so that's why there was a secondary "also" list. Don't you think that some people might be interested to know that some Hall of Famers spent fractions of their careers with certain clubs? By that logic, you may as well delete Gordie Howe from the Hartford Whalers. Also, what's the sense in deleting Leo Boivin (who played two season with the Penguins), but keeping Andy Bathgate (who also spent two seasons with the Penguins) listed. Also, why delete the list of notable players? If it's good enough for the Pirates and Steelers to have such lists, let the third Pittsburgh team as well. I thought this whole Wikipedia thing was all about making these entries better and more comprehensive.SportsEditor 23:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

In WP:HOCKEY, our Wikiproject does things in a number of ways hammered out by consensus. A couple of those are how we handle Hall of Fame listings and that we don't have "not to be forgotten" sections. A secondary "also" list is a way to weasel around the former, and the latter we decided to delete because such lists are inherently POV, suffer from pervasive bloat, and get overloaded with the current favorites of individual editors. If you disagree with our policies, feel free to go over to the Team Pages Format talk page and try to change consensus to your own views. RGTraynor 00:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I have removed the merge tag from Thunder Bay Northern Hawks

Consensus has been reached. The only person post-AfD who wants a merge is Rob. It's gone on for five days, and the AfD was another five days previous. The matter is closed. If you feel that this is a horrible miscarriage of justice, go ahead and file an RFC. It's time to move on. I'm posting this to associated users' talk pages as well. you know, this has really torpedoed my wikibreak  RasputinAXP  c 15:59, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Traynor, I've sent you an e-mail. DMighton 05:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Deletion

Why has my article, List of NHL players who have scored 8 points in one game, been put up for deletion? I don't see what's wrong with it. If something needs to be fixed please tell me so I can change it because I had to do alot of work to make that.

Also, if that article is deletion-worthy then I think this one certainly should be: MLB hitters with four home runs in one game This one too- National Hockey League goalies who have scored in a game

I refer you to the top of this page, where I state that discussions about my AfD activity belong in the deletion articles in question. RGTraynor 14:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I find it hard to believe...

...that you haven't received one of these yet!

		The Running Man Barnstar
		For your tireless contributions to the Hockey WikiProject, please accept this barnstar. BoojiBoy 20:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Aw! Now you're very gracious ... and I hadn't had one yet, no. Yer a pal! RGTraynor 00:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bio Box move

Thanks, I must have put it on the article page, not what I intended. Cheers. KenWalker | Talk 16:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ECHL Wheeling affiliation

I need your imput I have been putting an affiliation for Wheeling Nailers under the ECHL and someone keeps removing it. Now I am bringing this up to you for your decision on wheather or not to keep the affiliation or not. To be fair if you want it removed I will leave it alone I am not trying to be difficult. John R G 03:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Umm ... but that list is for NHL affiliates, not for teams in lower leagues than the ECHL itself. Certainly this is info worth putting in the Nailers article itself, though. RGTraynor 03:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Captain (Ice Hockey)

Thanks for adding the tag to the Captain (ice hockey) article, RG. If one more (usually an anon) user had listed Lidstrom as the Red Wings captain, I think I would have eaten a hockey puck. GoodDay 21:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, between that and listing Crosby as the Pens' captain or Jagr as the Rangers', I wouldn't wonder. I've no idea whether an edit tag will work, but it can't hurt. RGTraynor 04:18, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black Hawks

Hey RGTrayor! You were right I was wrong. Sorry about changing of Black Hawks to Blackhawks in the Vic Stasiuk article. Totally overlooked it. Also, I like your style of player pages and your dedication to NPOV and research. We'll have to work together sometime! --Schmackity 15:55, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, no problem; that's a common enough error. And thank you for the kind words! RGTraynor 20:46, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Western Massachusetts

To someone not familiar with US geography, it might seem as though the tunnel runs from the state of Florida to North Adams (hey, when I was young I didn't realize that Portland ME and Portland OR weren't right next to one another, and I'm American, so it's not that farfetched), so it might be a good idea to leave in the "MA" for Florida, at least. Septegram 15:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

And it looks like someone Bolder than I went ahead and did it.

Septegram 20:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-notable collectible card game players

I noticed that you recently participated in the discussion of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roy St. Clair (4th nomination). You may also be interested in the following discussions for the following collectible card game players:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darwin Kastle
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olivier and Antoine Ruel
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tommi Hovi
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Selden
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kai Budde (2nd nomination)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Long
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Magic: The Gathering people

Thank you. -- Malber (talk • contribs) 12:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World Hockey Association

Is the World Hockey Association and the World Hockey Association (proposed) two seprate companies or are they the same organization. I would appreciate your imput on that question. Thanks. John R G 19:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Niklas Bäckström

Hi, is there a specific reason why Niklas's surname should be written without the diacritics (ä and ö)? Thanks in advance & happy editings, –Mysid^(t) 10:39, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure is; English doesn't use such diacritics. Neither does the English-language media, the NHL website, the team websites, or any other English-language source. Nor does the Swedish Wikipedia conform to English-language usages, but has its own idea how such proper names should be rendered. RGTraynor 03:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Admin

Hey its been a few months, would you like another crack at RFA? I'd be willing to nominate you a second time if your willing to try again. Methinks you'll do better this time, but then again i don't know as much what you've been up to recently. So what do you say? Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 02:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Mm, thanks for thinking about me, but no. I'm sure the bashers would likewise pore over everything I've done to come up with the one phrase in a hundred proving I'm not as touchy-feely as they claim they want (but somehow never themselves manage to be). The previous experience was discouraging enough. I also haven't been doing AfD nearly as often as I had been ... a bit of burnout, I guess. I hope all is well with you? RGTraynor 03:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, yeah everything's going well with me, hence the reason I'm not at my old editing pace, i've got myself a job that keeps me busy, and a few other endeavours that are taking up my time. I did hardly anything on Wikipedia over the summer. But I've been coming back a little more over the last month, because i still want to help out on Wikipedia, even if its in a more minor role. I'll be sticking around still, just not at 50 or more edits per day clip... Yeah i went off the wiki-bottle for awhile and now i just enjoy it in moderation, ha ha. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 03:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

RGTRAYNOR!!!

Long time no hear! I miss the old Hockey Pub days and I especially miss your postings. Go Sabres!

SabreSword

[edit] Ray Bourque

Hi, I'm sorry, I'm new to this Wikipedia thing. I mean, I used it but never edited it properly I guess, with a log name. I never was aware that I should consult other Wikipedia user to change an article neither was I aware of how I can do it. And why did you change the Raymond Bourque's article back to "Ray" Bourque if you care so much about precision? I don't think he should have a French and an English name. Raymond is his first name as he was once baptised.

It's quite simple: Ray Bourque is the name by which he is known to the English-speaking world, in the same fashion that the name of the article for the 42nd President is not "William J. Blythe," the name by which Bill Clinton was baptized. "Ray Bourque" returns over 156,000 Google hits, while "Raymond Bourque" returns 14,000. Since this is the English Wikipedia, I'm quite comfortable with the way he's generally known in the English language to prevail here. I'm sure the Francophones can tend to their own knitting over on the French Wikipedia. RGTraynor 12:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bobby Orr

I could ask the same of you, quite frankly. The particular edit you have tagged stood unchallenged for many, many months - until you decided to resurrect the debate. Your Gretzky edits are weak and still not justified in my - and many others' - opinions. Referring to past debates on my talk page as a justification for your position is weak, as most of that occurred early in my Wikipedia days, and in most of the cases I was personally attacked first. Additionally, any conflict I have found myself in with other editors has been over their lack of knowledge on subjects they claim to master, and over their tendency to rely on their own POV as truth and/or fact. Don't you find your behaviour in light of all of this thus ironic? Many of us out here sure do ... Your behaviour continually indicates that you consider yourself some kind of superior resource, when in fact all you are is a pervasive editor and dogged edit warrior. You can wear others out over time, but you will not do so with me. If you wish to play semantic games, then let it continue. Oh yes, I also see that you did not win election to Administrator around here, so perhaps you could consider ceasing to act like one? TrulyTory 14:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Riiiiight ... so all the fights you've been in have always been the other guys' faults, I see. As far as your purported legions of supporters, we'll let that one go as well despite the lack of evidence they exist; that's irrelevant as well. There isn't likewise any point to belabor the breathtaking nature of "you will not do so with me," as if you thought Wikipedia was some strange kind of boxing match, or the irony in you claiming that your past behavior on Wikipedia isn't pertinent but that a debate on an unrelated article is. Nor will I dwell on the fact that the first citation didn't arrive until precisely seven days ago, or that the edit to which you refer wasn't made until an anon IP did on October 9th, scarcely "many, many months."

The simple fact is that the cite doesn't say what you claim it said. "One of the greatest hockey players of all time fought back tears on Friday as his old jersey was hung up in a new museum showcasing his career," it says. Not "the greatest." "One of the greatest." Where I confess fault is not watching the article like a hawk, but then again I have a real life. Now as of today there's a proper statement to match with the cite. If you just can't wrap your head around that, then I'm quite content with having arbitrators decide.

Whatever. Nice attempt at misdirection though. Here's a question for you that may or may not be relevant: Did you ever play competitive hockey? I eagerly wait on your reply ... TrulyTory 18:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

For fifteen years, and that you could remotely consider the question relevant to Wikipedia's policies, copyright law, your ongoing mistakes or the careers of professional hockey players says a great deal about your mindset. The "If you haven't played X sport you don't have any right to an opinion" malarkey -- it isn't as if there was any other place you were going there -- is one of the surest signs of someone lacking any real grounds upon which to stand. I've no further need to communicate directly with anyone going in that direction; kindly refrain from future forays onto my talk page. RGTraynor 18:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation. It proves my point. TrulyTory 18:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wal-Mart in Plymouth

No shit? You move away for a few years and everything changes. Stilgar135 19:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1966-67 NHL season

I will use whatever source I feel is available to use as a reference! You are not to interfere! I attempt to give the reading public the best and most complete source in which to reference from. Do not interfere with my attempts to do so!Corey Bryant 21:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Using sources as references are allowed ... especially (as you do not in fact do) when you credit and properly cite them. Copying them word-for-word is a violation of copyright law, never mind merely of Wikipedia policy. I strongly recommend you review both WP:COPYVIO, and, at this rate, WP:OWN. RGTraynor 12:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mary Garden Unsourced Tag

I see you have left an 'unsourced' tag on the Mary Garden article despite the fact there is a sources section with three references. I am puzzled. Can you tell me why you put the tag? - Kleinzach 11:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Winnipeg Jets: Return to Winnipeg POV

I don't agree with your characterization of certain elements as speculative POV. Your edit from 00:41 5 Dec 2006 eliminates objective fact rather than speculation:

• There is a new arena in Winnipeg;
• The Canadian dollar is much stronger; and
• Atlanta in Minneapolis have received replacement expansion teams.

mdk

216.163.247.1 18:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

... and none of those random facts have any direct link to expansion for Winnipeg. There are new arenas all over the continent, the Canadian dollar fluctuates like any other currency, and quite a few more cities have not received replacement expansion teams: the NHL doesn't seem to be breaking down the doors to site teams in Hartford, Quebec City, Cleveland or Oakland, all of which are larger metro areas than Winnipeg. But that's all pure speculation, and being speculation, is perfectly acceptable on a hockey (or Winnipeg-oriented) bulletin board or blog. RGTraynor 12:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1966-67 season NHL at wikipedia

You AND every other complainant are to cease at once calling what I have been submitting copyrighted material! The original submission might have been copyrighted, but NOTwhat I have been posting lately. You will cease from taking down my submitted material AT ONCE!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Corey Bryant (talk • contribs) 19:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

As long as you keep on posting the exact same entries you were earlier, which aside from being copyvios were often unencyclopedic trivia, myself and other editors will continue to revert them, and you backtracking on your previous heated assertions to admit that you have been violating copyright doesn't ring well. If you don't like that, you could engage us in discussion as to which news notes and recaps are pertinent to any given season article, and arrive at a consensus as to what entries are both newsworthy and encyclopedic. Strident shouting isn't likely to win many over to your POV. RGTraynor 15:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Antero Nittymaki

Hello, RG. I've offered a compromise to User: Hazelorb to remove diacritcs from the Title of Nittymaki page (leaving the diacritis in the article itself). However, I fear she's not open to compromise. Not to start up the diacritc war with her again, but could you restore the 'English' version to the Title. Though I've read the instruction (on Moving pages), I'm still not familliar enough with it.GoodDay 17:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that's where I wouldn't. I don't object to appropriate diacriticals in individual player articles, as long as they're kept out of articles pertaining to North American hockey at large: NHL and AHL team and season articles and the like. As long as User: Hazelorb isn't spamming the Flyers-related articles, my own inclination would be to let them have that one. RGTraynor 17:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeh, I see your point. But those diacritcs still bug me, oh well at least those diacritcs aren't on Nittymaki's Flyers jersey. GoodDay 18:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Jersey Devils

I'm afraid, my objections to the way the 'Famous Players' section was introduced, has been denied. Oh well, just felt peers should have had a say in format changes. I guess, can't win them all. GoodDay 20:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

See Devils 'talk page', I've got my consenses after all. Now I'm alright with the 'Famous Players' section. GoodDay 21:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Philadelphia Flyers

Hello RG, I've re-edited ALL 30 teams pages, listing team captains 'by players' as the consensus called for. However on the Flyers page, anon-user 'Darthflyer' continues to resist (choosing to copy off of list at Flyers official website, wich is 'by season') consensus. What do you think, I should do about it? GoodDay 19:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)