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Contents 1 archive 2 Possessive 's 3 sexist 4 Something I've noticed 5 Tense 6 Metroid DNA 7 Possesives (again) 8 About "Physical Characteristics" secton removal. 9 Theories 10 Prime 2 Timeline? 11 Merge Discussion ("Samus Aran's gunship" into "Samus Aran") 12 Plot Summaries

[edit] archive

I archived it. It got way too big.--Atomic-Super-Suit^{What Have I Done?!} 04:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possessive 's

I see that this article has been changed and even all of the old discussion is gone. Anyways, please make sure to use the possive 's correctly. This is the correct way: Samus's arm cannon is so cool. Note that there is an apostrophe and then an additional s. This is correct. See Saxon genitive for the correct way to show possession in English writing.

Anyways, I went ahead and fixed all of the possessive 's errors. I hope I didn't mess anything up. --olanmills 19:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

So... do you mean "possessive errors" or possessives' errors?" "Rule 1369 of interweb grammar correction: Any time you try to correct someone else, you will make a mistake yourself."

No, I meant what I said. I guess it wasn't clear. I meant possessive " 's" errors. Anyways, see the second entry below for a more thorough explanation--olanmills 03:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] sexist

no i am not a girl but saying that most female humans do not weigh 90kg is a bit sexist, dont you think. perhaps it could be changed to say something like according to images, it apears to be with power suit insted of saying with because she is a female. just a little sugestion, but i will change it in 24 hours... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikiencyclopedia.com (talk • contribs).

Or we could just remove that bit. If it wasn't specified, it wasn't specified. I say we let the readers decide for themselves; we're just here to report. Heck, for all we know those are perfectly sensible measurements for a part-Chozo human female in the far-future setting of the Metroid reality. --Sparky Lurkdragon 07:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Well she's an in-shape human/Chozo who probably has a fair bit of muscle. And not amount of high tech gadgetry can fit less than 50 pounds of tech into he suit. 200lbs isn't too much, considering she's 6'3" and at least decently muscular.

There's actually an equation for calculating a person's "ideal" weight based on their height. For women the formula is 100 pounds for the first five feet, and six pounds for every inch above that. For Samus, that would give us an ideal weight of 190 pounds, though she would likely weigh a bit more than that due to the fact that she's fairly athletic, so 198 pounds is a very plausible weight for her without the suit.Tpkc klick 20:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

At any rate, I'm getting kind of sick of removing speculation on this in the article. Personally, I think it's probably her in the suit, but the fact is we don't know. --Sparky Lurkdragon 02:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Something I've noticed

Samus is typically portrayed in her suit--the only time she's seen outside of her suit in the games is during select ending sequences and the end part of Zero Mission. However, the page seems to give a different image of Samus--one of Samus outside her suit. The percentage of the pictures of Samus unsuited is too large (four out of nine counting only the ones from Metroid games). Is having a picture of the ending sequences from every single game necessary?

They're basically progression photos to show how she looks in the different games. I'm guessing. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 09:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I must say I agree with the fact that there's way too many Samus pictures of her outside her suit. This is not the way she is generally shown; a blonde happy chick. It would be more interesting to see more of the different suits she wore over the years.Mansize 15:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tense

This article needs a serious tense cleanup. Are we using the past, present, or furutre tense here? I see them all at once and am confused as to how to go about editing.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.196.169.10 (talk • contribs).

All the in-universe history stuff is supposed to be present tense, except possibly when discussing Samus's childhood before the games begin. Real-world stuff (i.e. "the game led players to believe she was male") should be past tense. Future tense is used when talking about Metroid Prime 3, because it's not out yet, but I'm not sure it should be. --Herald Alberich 13:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Metroid DNA

The way the article is put makes it look like Samus has metroid DNA in Metroid Prime: Hunters. Unless I'm mistaken, the only game she has metroid DNA is Fusion. Someone fix this, I'm too lazy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Da p3n6u1n (talk • contribs) 21:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

Good eye, fixed. --Herald Alberich 22:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possesives (again)

Why does some one keep changing it back? Look it's just English grammar. It's either right or it's wrong. It's not a matter of preference.

See Saxon genitive for the correct way to show possession in English writing.

To show that Samus has possession of something, you have to use an apostrophe plus an additional s. It's a common misconception that you omit the s when the word already ends in s. That is done for pluralized words that end in s. Here are some examples:

Correct: Samus's ship is fast.
Correct: The witness's testimony is solid.

Correct: All four of my tires' treads are in good condition.
Correct: The boxes' lids are all different colors.

Incorrect: Samus' arm cannon can be upgraded.

See Saxon genitive for the correct way to show possession in English writing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Olanmills (talk • contribs) 05:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

Preach it!Xenongamer 22:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About "Physical Characteristics" secton removal.

A Man In Black has removed the physical characteristics section of this article twice now without a reason given nor a word about it on the talk page. I think it is a worthy part of the article and should be included, at the very least there should be some discussion about it before it is deleted outright. Maybe we could move some of the data (height, weight, age, etc) into the infobox and merge the remainder into another portion of the article? I don't know of an infobox template that covers all the info, the one used for pro wrestlers seems pretty close though. How hard would it be to cobble one together out of that and the one currently on the page? Until then I'm going to re-add the section. Lando242 18:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed this problem a bit but it still needs some corrections.Lokon40 04:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

It's unencyclopedic trivia, in greater detail than we go into for real people. It's all in-universe info, describing Samus as a real person instead of a part of a fictional story. It's just not what we do here. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

How do you know its describing her as a real person? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lokon40 (talk • contribs) 22:29, 15 March 2007.

The info should be worked into the article, not given its own template/list. Plenty of fictional characters are described in detail. Just make sure you specify which game provides this information, and in what format (in-game, instruction book, etc.) otherwise it's just cruft. Noclevername 00:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Theories

Might I add that this article is completely theories. It is impossible to tell how exactly Samus's life is laid out. All we can do is theorize untill Nintendo comes out with (god forbid) a guide to Samus's life. those who read this article may think that all this is true. BULL!!! Just a warning to all...Xenongamer 22:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not. We know the Metroid chronology, it's an established fact, and the e-manga provides details of Samus's childhood. --Herald Alberich 22:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the chronology shown in the article is wrong... Both Metroid Prime and Prime 2 take place after the NES game and before Return of Samus and all other games in the series. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Link floyd (talk • contribs) 05:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Prime 2 Timeline?

Doesn't Metroid Prime 2 take place after Super Metroid? One of the Federation Trooper logs in Prime 2 states that "there is no way a lone human could destroy Zebes."

[edit] Merge Discussion ("Samus Aran's gunship" into "Samus Aran")

Starting the discussion for merging Samus Aran's gunship into this article (Samus Aran). Reason being that there is a HUGE amount of unnecessary detail on the gunship article, mainly detailing the cosmetic differences between the ship's different incarnations in each game in the series. There are very few functional differences in the ship in each game - it pretty much always serves the same basic purpose, regardless of its appearance and method of propulsion.

The only major differences in terms of functionality that I'm aware of are:

• Metroid: Zero Mission: The original ship is destroyed in the game's ending, forcing Samus to steal a Pirate ship to get off-planet.
• Metroid Fusion: The ship contains a computerized commanding officer and can take multiple creatures aboard.
• Metroid Prime 3: Corruption: The ship is slated to have some automated air-strike capability, still yet to be finalized.

The remainder of the changes between games have to do with the ship's physical design (wings or lack thereof, method of propulsion, etc.), and these things do not need to be heavily detailed. Key features, like the front window's similarity to Samus's visor, seem to always stay the same, and those could also be called out in one or two sentences.

It was argued in Talk:Samus Aran's gunship that large portions of the article are fancruft. I think fancruft might be a bit too strong a term, but I do think there's a lot of redundant info that can be condensed into a section within this article, since Samus's gunship is an integral part of her presence in the series.

Okay, I'm done. :) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 19:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Since nobody came to discuss this issue, I have performed the merge, according to the rules in Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 19:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, that is a rediculously brief entry, with respect to the amount of information that was in the deleted page. What's this "no one came" rational for going ahead with a merge that was decided against a few months ago when the page was completely reworked to trim OUT the fancruft? Angel the Techrat 20:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I proposed a new merger a week ago. Aside from one person on the other page pointing out that a similar proposal had been made more than a YEAR ago before the page was reworked, NOBODY responded to this discussion or any discussion on the gunship page. According to the terms on the Wikipedia page, if there doesn't appear to be any controversy for at least 5 days (and pointing out a previous merge proposal more than a year in the past doesn't count, IMO), I can perform the merge and be bold.

In doing the merge, I kept information specific to the individual games in which the gunship has behavior that differs from "normal", but summarized information that is common to all games (such as the fact that the ship has changed cosmetically throughout the series, but its overall functions and reason for being are the same). When you perform that sort of "optimization" of the information, you end up with about 3-4 paragraphs of text, which is not enough to warrant a separate article with lots of pictures, IMO.

BTW, I merged information about the ship's appearance in SSBM and the comic book into the appropriate sections further down in this article. Based on that, nearly all of the information (minus the extra pictures, which are more appropriate for the individual game articles anyway) has been merged. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Man In Black: Could you please refer to the edit history before deleting the whole Gunship section? The version I put in there was NOT crufty. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Huh, I thought that was the merge.

Currently, it's all sourced to personal observation and doesn't seem to be too terribly important (in the sources-have-felt-the-need-to-comment way), but your version looks a lot more useful than the lengthy, crufty, multisection version. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with needing to clean it up some - I've taken a couple first steps toward that. I do think that the gunship warrants its own section, as there are some key features about the gunship that deserve to be described in more detail than just "Samus uses it". But it didn't need the level of detail that it had in the original separate article. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 01:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

A very large point is that there have been four visualy distinct ships (not counting the upcoming Prime 3 ship), two of which have been destroyed through the course of the plot. And.. a shot of a ship that only appears once is not really the best example of a representative shot for the entry. I'm working on getting a better screencap. Will upload in a few minutes. Angel the Techrat 03:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

And I think that's a great point to include in the article, in pretty much the exact words you just used. But the point I was trying to make in doing the merge was that each incarnation of the ship didn't need its own sub-article. (Also, the Zero Mission screenshot was IMO the best one on the original gunship page - I would have used one from Prime or Prime 2, but the caps there weren't very good.) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 15:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

In response to this

Well, that's what the section immediately below is for, heh. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot Summaries

It just occurred to me that the majority of this page is overly-detailed plot-cruft. Since this page is about Samus, most games in the series would only warrant very brief descriptions of the game. The only games that would require more would be Zero Mission, Super Metroid, or Metroid Fusion, as they detail major events in Samus' life. Other than that, the games are basic missions for Samus. King Zeal 13:16, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I've been looking for some sort of useful references to try and add some real-world context, to make this look something like Solid Snake. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

In the interest of cleaning this up, I'm thinking we should remove all of the section headings and convert the "Role in the Metroid series" section into a series of paragraphs (no more than one or two per game) that very briefly describe the nature of Samus's mission(s) in each game. The level of detail we have here is overwhelmingly unnecessary, and we don't need separate sections for each game. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 17:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)