Talk:Samus Aran/Archive 1

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Contents 1 Super Metroid Gravity Suit 2 biography 3 Pronounciation? 4 Height and Weight Question 5 On the size issue: 6 Size issue 7 Metroid song 8 Cyborg? 9 Chozo Lore 10 Non-sexualized? 11 Changed Samus' Age 12 One External Link changed 13 Placement and content of images 14 Zero Mission? 15 Samus lost her suit?? 16 Biography 17 Say what? 18 Size issues 19 Something Interesting 20 Age? 21 FMA 22 Thanks for the info 23 Cyborg catagory removed 24 Paragraph flow in the gender section 25 On the Vandalism 26 Minor suggestion of content order 27 NOT a silent protagonist 28 Speculation on SSBB = bad. 29 Dubious Image removal by User:Zero 30 Stats Argument, and a way to finish it once and for all. 31 Possesive 's 32 Phazon 33 Ponchi 34 "Challenge of gender roles" paragraph 35 Samus as a female heroine 36 Section removed 36.1 Samus as a female heroine 37 Early Life 38 Samus' Gender 39 Eye colour 40 Jennifer Hale? 41 Morph Ball

Super Metroid Gravity Suit

The new pic of Samus from Palladian - is that the Super Metroid Gravity Suit? Juding by the games I have played, it looks like it... but I can't be positive. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 23:21, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)

The screenshot I added appears after the game credits when the player completes Super Metroid, it's not from the game play proper. I assume the character is depicted wearing the complete gear from all levels of the game and since the Gravity Suit is the last suit that you acquire that's probably the one shown here, but I'm not sure. I only picked up a copy of it recently, so I'm not that familiar with it; I happened to be playing the game and searching for information on the web and I noticed that Wikipedia didn't have an image for this article so I added it. - Palladian 03:17, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for confirming that. I was just curious. ^_^ --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 23:31, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)

The suit is the Fusion suit.It is made of Metriod cells and intact pieces of her Power suit.

biography

Out of curiousity, does anyone know what the source for the biography information is?

I wonder too. Folks, please provide sources so we know this isn't someone's fan fiction. I'm going to remove the current biography in a few days (most of it, anyway) if no source can be provided. Fredrik (talk) 00:09, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I do. The metroid e-manga (japanese, search it on google), the NP metroid comic and the old black nintendo player's guide (I have a copy at home, I don't remember the exact title) But it meshes with what I know about samus, it looks good to me.

CyberSkull 02:14, 2004 Oct 28 (UTC)

Good. Could you please add a references section with a list of these works? Fredrik | talk 06:30, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I've read a translation of the E-manga, but I question the validity of certain other points in the biography:

• "The Space Pirates, lead by Meta Ridley, built a base above and below the surface of the planet, testing Phazon not only on their own, but also on Metroids. This testing gave birth to Metroid Prime"
  • Nowhere in any of the versions of Metroid Prime does it say that the Space Pirates created the creature. Metroid Prime arrived in the meteor that crashed into Tallon IV well before the Space Pirates arrived, according to Chozo lore. According to the creature description, Metroid Prime is the source of Phazon.
• "As she seached the colony, she found the hatchling...and Ridley, or more specifically, the seed of Ridley."
  • What is "seed" supposed to mean? Ridley's son? I always understood the Super Metroid Ridley to be the true Ridley, repaired from his previous battle on Zebes. He appears to be organic in the game, at least. Then again, I'm not sure about his connection to Mecha Ridley in Zero Mission, or Meta Ridley in Metroid Prime. Anyway, if we don't have clear information on him, then we shouldn't make assumptions and include them in the article.
• "Samus made a rapid recovery, but was left permanently infused with the cell structure of the Metroid, the very species she had hunted to extinction. To make up for what had happened, the Federation provided her with one of their newer, faster ships complete with a new AI system"
  • The Federation did not provide Samus with a new ship out of pity; it was provided on the conditions that she would destroy the X Parasite and recover their station, and she would have to follow the orders of the Commanding Officer in order to keep the ship.

I haven't played Echoes, so I can't check the information there; could someone else who's familiar with the game check it? --Poiuyt Man ^talk 01:11, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC) Echoescomes BEFORE Metriod Fusion.

Does anyone know why the chozo lore entries relating to Samus were removed in the PAL version of Metroid Prime?

I know that certain Pirate logs involving the capture of Metroid Prime were removed because they didn't make sense with how you actually find Metroid Prime, so it's likely that the Chozo entries were removed because they were inconsistent with other sources of Samus lore. I think the info gathered from the first North American version of Metroid Prime should be separated from the rest of the biography, with a note explaining its possible inconsistency. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 01:11, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The problem with the NTSC Metroid Prime is that it says that the Pirates augmented Metroid Prime, however, they couldn't have gotten into the crater unless YOU unlocked it. That's why Ridley tried to kill Samus. So it is a paradox....--Zxcvbnm 16:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Pronounciation?

I thought is was Sah-muhs Air-en. I heard that's how it was pronounced in the intro that was included in the PAL version of Metroid Prime. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 01:04, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

The pronunciation according to the PAL version of Super Smash Brothers for the N64 and the PAL version of Super Smash Brothers Melee for the Gamecube is SAH-mus. Emphasis on the first syllable with the 'a' pronounced like in father; the 'u' pronounced like in tube. Her last name is still under discussion, but I assume the vowels are pronounced the same as her first with emphasis on the second syllable, Ah-RAHN. --ThatNateGuy 00:17, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The narrator in PAL version of Metroid Prime pronounces the full name as sa-mus @-r@n (in SAMPA) in the end of the game... Though I have heard the eI-r@n pronouncation somewhere as well (maybe it really was that way in the MP intro, as said before; can't check right now)... Though, I don't really care, basically, I think it's pronounced exactly as people would pronounce it. =) --Wwwwolf 17:14, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In japanese "Mission Zero" Samus writes her name in intro as サムス・アラン. Since katakana is phonetic it is easy to see how it is correctly pronounced. If anyone want to convert it to IPA - go ahead. --Rowaa[SR13] 21:16, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Height and Weight Question

Height: 1.90 m (6'2") in the suit according to the Metroid II instruction booklet

Weight: 90 kg (198 lbs, 6oz) in the suit according to the Metroid II instruction booklet

The phrase "in the suit" appears in the stats section and this is certainly a valid statement, but I'm not sure that it's necessarily correct. This is the context that that information is taken from.

CYBERNETIC SUIT TECHNICAL SPEC

Samus Aran with Full Equipment

» Helmet

» Oxygen Supply Equipment

» Weapons Hand - Shoots beam or missiles. When the missiles are active, the barrel will be open. The supply of missiles is limited, and it will be necessary to reload. There are many different kinds of beam weapons. The beam that will be fired will depend on which item was last found and equipped.

» High Jump Boots - This increases Samus' Jumping ability tremendously.

» Infrared ray scope - Allows Samus to see, even in the dark.

» Normal Suit

» Left Hand

» Barrier Suit - Becomes enabled when Samus finds the Varia.

Samus Aran - Height: 1m 90cm Weight: 90kg

Samus can wear up to 14 different kinds of items. Make sure to arm her efficiently and make good use of each item obtained.

As you can see, there appears to be a pretty straightforward interpretation of those stats as it's under that particular heading, but on closer inspection I'm not so certain. A 6 ft 2in, 198 lb woman is large and imposing to be sure, but healthy and certainly not unheard of. But if those figures are Samus in her suit, she must weight what, 135 lbs, minimum? So does that mean the entire suit weighs less than 63 pounds? Futuristic alien technology, sure, but that's still pretty light. Anyway, Metroid 2 notwithstanding, is there any other information that addresses this? I'd prefer to just have the statements "Height 1m 90cm" and "Weight: 90kg" with no qualifiers if we're just going from Metroid 2 but I may be the only one who feels this way and if I am, there's obviously no reason to change it.

Well, looking at the context, it sure seems to me like they switched from talking about the suit to talking about Samus herself. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 01:17, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

I did some more digging that seems to confirm that Samus is just a very big lady. Nintendo may eventually retcon it, but from the Super Metroid strategy guide and Metroid 2 manual, she's over six foot and nearly 200 pounds. Also, even though some places say 6'3" rather than 6'2", I did the calculation from 190 cm on a conversion site and got 6.23 ft, which is why I rounded down. Insomniac By Choice 05:02, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

.23 feet isn't 2.3 inches, it's 2.76 inches. We're talking base 12 here. Thus, rounding up would be more appropriate. Andre (talk) 01:36, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)

Ah, good thing one of us has a brain for conversions then. My apologies. Insomniac By Choice 20:48, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Based on the information on the top, I would assume she is wearing the suit. It mentions her arm cannon, and armor. In mp2:e, you can look more closely at all of the upgrades and armor Samus posseses. When you look at the armor, the boots she is wearing have a thick heel, so I would assume that adds a little to the height. Also, It's not like the top of her helmet is pressed to her head. I would guess that there is a gap about an inch or so between her head and the top of the helmet. In the ending movie after you beat MP, she takes off her helmet. Her hair is in a ponytail, which would require having some space. Based on this, I would assume she is closer to 6' or even 5'11". I also wonder about her weight. Is that with the power suit or the varia?

If the height and weight do indeed refer to Samus in suit, then it would be Varia. Notice that it says "Samus Aran with Full Equipment", and in Metroid 2 the Varia is the only suit item. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 02:57, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

ah yes....been playing MP lately......

A 6'3" 200lb woman, who is obviously in very good shape makes sense. Charlize Theron (who I would love to see play Samus) is 5'10". I figure 5'10" is the minimal height you'd have to be to reach 6'3" in full armor, assuming that's the armored height. Now Charlize is very fit, but not very heavily muscled. When she was in Monster, where she had a more reasonable figure she was 160lbs. If she were bulked up to the point that Samus must be at to pull off the stunts she does in ZM she'd prolly shoot up to around 180. That really doesn't leave a lot weight to account for the suit, and any height added to that only makes the suit lighter. Now if she is 6'3" than 200lbs actually means she's prolly svelte despite the level of fitness she's at. And if we go by the images we have of her that fits. So a 6'3 200lb Samus makes a lot more sense than her being at those figures in armor. ZM is still the best resource for calculating her weight, if we knew the height of a Space Pirate. Skunkobot

Maybe the height is a result of human adaptation/evolution? Humans are much taller now than they were, say, 300 years ago, so wouldn't it make sense that people in the future would be taller than us?--chris16447

Humans are taller now because of improved diet more than changes in allele frequencies. Just FYI. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 00:05, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

On the size issue:

Perhaps we shouldn't take the 90kg figure at face value. That guide was published a while ago, and probably was figuring in the suit as part of the weight. Perhaps using picture attained from endings and the definite height figure of 1.9m to estimate using the standard BMI scale by estimating about where she'd be on the scale from 15-40, and using the mathematical operation as indicated in the article to come about the weight, especially since Nintendo hasn't released anything (to my knowledge) that goes one way or another as to whether that figure factors in the suit. (Note: The current figures, assuming we're saying the suit isn't counted in the 90kg, is 24.9, which doesn't seem horribly bad.)

Digital Watches 23:50, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Only 200 lbs. wrapped in metal? Seems a bit light for a tall, muscular human woman in full armor. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 12:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but it's Chozo technology. I'm pretty sure it's more advanced than human armor. Who says it's metal? It could very well be carbon nanotubes, or god-knows-what-else. Correct me if I'm wrong, but they never explicitly say that it's a pure metal suit. Plus, she was genetically enhanced, so she could be lighter or heavier than she looks in pictures. It's all up to interpretation, until they release actual specs and measurements, both in suit and out, there is no way to know for sure.

Size issue

Aren't the given stats about Samus on the Metroid II context just much too open for interpretation? The way I see it, it would be ludicrous to compute or estimate for anything just because of the reason that we don't have enough info(do you have any numbers on how heavy or large her suit is?); so I think that we should also entertain the most obvious possibility that she is wearing her suit and give it proper note. User:Virgofenix

Metroid song

Why did the link to that song get deleted? It wasn't a promotional ad, there's nothing to promote. If any promotion at all is going on, the whole article is a promotion of the videogame and Metroid movie. The song is just something that some guy wrote and put on his school website for fun. It's not on any commercial recordings or anything like that.

That's probably the problem, I think. It seems to be a fan song; while there's nothing wrong with fan songs, they're like fan art and fanfiction in that they are unofficial and thus probably should not be included in an article about the inspiration of the fan media. At least, that's my interpritation; that's probably why I'd have taken the song link off, but I can't speak for the person who did. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 22:42, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Cyborg?

Is there any evidence that Samus, is in fact a cyborg? Aside from the original instruction manual that was wrong on most other topics? (Samus is male, Mother Brain is the space pirates' leader, etc) If not, why does this artical have the "fictional cyborgs" category? Assuming that Samus is a cyborg just from that source seems to me like assuming that she is also a hermaphrodite because of the same source.User:dcomings

In the Scene 2 narration of Metroid Fusion, Samus mentions the following:

"It then came to light that the organic components of my Power Suit had become so integrated with my system that it could not be removed while I was unconscious. Large portions of my suit had to be surgically removed, dramatically altering my appearance."

According to this account, parts of Samus' suit have become integrated with her body. Under most definitions, this would qualify her as a cyborg. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 08:48, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. The components of the suit are integrated with her body, but there is no evidence, and, in fact, evidence against the assumption that they are actually a part of her, or that she is dependent on them. This disqualifies her from being a creature that is a mixture (note that the suit is no more a permanent part of her than an article of clothing) of organic and mechanical parts. Also: The parts of the suit said to be integrated to her system were said to be organic, which also discounts this definition. This definition is taken directly from the wikipedia article on cyborgs. Digital Watches 07:08, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You DO realize, that she CAN take her suit off.In Metriod Fusion,they could not remove the suit while she was Unconscionce.

There is considerable argument about Mother Brain, and the "male" thing was not a mistake: it was speaking from the point of view of the G-Fed, where she was a mystery. I see no reason she couldn't be a cyborg. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 12:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

And I see even less reason she couldn't feed the G-Feds even more BS. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.28.235.211 (talk • contribs) on 00:35, 22 February 2006.

She's definitely not a Cyborg. When it says that she was integrated with her suit...its implied in the Japanese online comic that the suit is meant to be a second skin. As in...it connects with her nerves and literally becomes an outer shell. She can feel what goes on outside of it. I think that when the X infected her suit...it got into her nervous system via the suit because of this and removing it while she was uncouncious would of blown her nerves out and thus, killed her. No matter what though, it is still a suit. The definition of Cyborg is that a person is distinctively comprised of mechanical parts integrated with their biological bodies. Samus connects with the suit and is close to it, but its just a suit. Samus is herself, still a totally biological being (albiet with Chozo AND Metroid DNA in her now. She may be a little more than that now.) She's as much a Cyborg as Iron Man, who is definitely not a Cyborg. (not even in the catagory) So I'm removing the cyborg catagory unless someone explains specifically how she could be a Cyborg. Robotic suits don't count.--Kiyosuki 01:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Amen. Spoken like a true fan. I approve. --Gaming King 09:30, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Chozo Lore

Recently the entire collection of Chozo lore from Metroid Prime has been added to the article, and portions of it existed in this article before. I believe this may not fall under fair use, due to the amount being copied word-for-word from the game. For now, I've removed the section, and instead linked to a Chozo Lore FAQ in the References section. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 13:50, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Non-sexualized?

She wasn't to start with, but those pics indicate otherwise. Seriously, she is wearing just a bra and panties in the one!

Yes, but entire games aren't made to showcase Samus in revealing outfits (Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball style). In fact, the only time a player ever sees Samus without all or most of her Power Suit, are in still images, at the ends of games, and in these pictures, Samus is not shown in any sort of sexual position or situation. She is just portrayed as a woman, relaxing after a difficult mission.

Sure, shes not running around half naked for the whole game, but those pics are part of the game, and they're not exactly innocent. I'm not a prude by any means, but I think we're running into an issue of "Its nintendo, and they're kids games". Still, I don't mind the article claiming she is non-sexualized; for the most part, she isn't. Its just funny to see such explicit fan service.

I removed the statement that Nintendo made Samus female for sex appeal to help sell games. This obviously isn't true, as Samus is not revealed to be female until completion of the original Metroid. --Pagrashtak 19:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I edited it a bit further--I don't see how discussing her raw sex appeal really seems NPOV, just as discussing what seems to be appropriate attire. Personally, I actually found her older Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion outfits less overtly sexual, and plenty appropriate for wearing under several layers of steel. But that sort of commentary is opinion, not fact. The edit wound up unsigned because I got logged out. Whups! Evan L. Kester 03:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Now, I'm also thinkin' we should remove that comment about sexuality under that picture. It's obviously based too much upon oppinion. Shall I remove it? --Gaming King 09:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

This is continuing an old discussion, but you can also argue that the pics at the end are somewhat of a peepshow. The better you play, the more you see. Yeah, it ain't anytbhing too heavy, but it is sexualized. Imagine if the same was applied for, oh say, Master Chief. Play decently and you see his face, but play even etter and see him in his underwear? At any rate, there are comparisons between Samus and Ripley, and Ripley is heavily, heavily sexualized. She's the defining "last woman", ya know, the all-business-no-play woman who just happens to run around in her underwear during the "final battle". Anyways, I'd say the caption is worth keeping just to have a counter-point available.

I guess... --Gaming King 09:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Changed Samus' Age

I made a minor edit to Samus' age, which is 20 in the first game since it takes place in 2025 (the date of 20X5) since she was supposedly born in 2005 according to Konami. --Yahweh 4 July 2005 00:30 (UTC)

According to Konami? Please give a reference. How do you know 20X5 = 2025? The information you added is currently unsupported, so I'm reverting it for now. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 4 July 2005 16:51 (UTC)

It's also rather odd that Konami would state this information, considering that they weren't involved in the making of any of the Metroid games. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 4 July 2005 16:56 (UTC)

I suppose that's true. That's right, Nintendo did make the "Metroid" games. Anyhow, if the Galactic Federation was formed in their universe in the year 2000, then the events that followed should have happened within a reasonably quick amount of time one would assume, and the story says that it wasn't very long before the Space Pirates attacked and all of that. Still, 20X5 could be 2005, 2015, 2025...2095, though there are a couple of websites that I've read that believe the date to be 2025, such as www.metroid-eu.com and www.nesplayer.com, though we won't exactly know 100% for sure. One thing I have found interesting is that the 1st Mega Man game takes place only 3 years supposedly from this year...200X is what the games say, which is roughly 2008, since in "Mega Man 4" it says 20XX, which is "one year after the destruction of Gamma" ("Mega Man 3"), and MM3 takes place a few months after MM2, which is a few months after MM1. So by that 200X is only a couple years before 20XX, so 20XX must be 2010, leaving 200X to be about 2008. Just thought that was kind of interesting, and it does make sense though since "Mega Man X" is discovered on or about 21XX (2114, the date copywrited on Dr. Cain's computer in the original game), or 100 years after 2014. --Yahweh 5 July 2005 23:09 (UTC)

Ambiguous dates should be left ambiguous unless you have an official source that explicitly states the date. Fan-made dates based on calculations as such are merely fanon and shouldn't be considered truth; therefore, should not be listed. --Shadow Hog 16:56, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't see any reason why the XX in 20XX implies it must be 2010. XX could just as easily be 09, or any other number. If they wanted to imply a new decade had started they could have said 201X. --Mr. Encyclopedia

Ugh! Bottom line is this: Samus's exact age is unknown, but it's obvious that she is a young woman, probably in her early-to-mid-20's. --Gaming King 09:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

One External Link changed

The GameFAQs policy (I've been there a lot of times) forbids any direct linking to a particular FAQ File, so I had to change the link in order to avoid showing an error message (Broken Link). Therefore, I made a link to the Metroid Prime FAQ Page with a lot of FAQs pertinent to Metroid, since GameFAQs does not allow us to link directly to files.

Link Fixed. -- Vesther 4 July 2005 17:36 (UTC)

I changed the link to the copy located on IGN, as they allow direct-linking. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 4 July 2005 19:15 (UTC)

Placement and content of images

While I don't agree with the removal of the Fusion image because it's offensive, I do think that one one suitless gallery image is enough. The images obviously have some intention of being provocative, and having those all over the article doesn't really fit in the "non-sexualized" text. There are numerous depictions of Samus throughout the games, so maybe variety would be good. Why don't we use some of the Metroid Prime concept art, or some of her 3D renditions?

Also, the images should be somewhat related to the surrounding text. I placed the sprite lineup next to the list of games, since it applies to many of the Metroid games. The Fusion picture is just eye-candy, and that's probably why it was removed. It would go better next to the "Challenge of Gender roles section". However, there's already a suitless image there. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 03:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

I think the fusion ending image that was there before is more important to use than the Zero Mission ending we currently have because it's a more up-to-date rendition. We should at least put it somewhere.

The article refers to how depictions of Samus have become more suggestive over time, and Zero Mission is a more recent release than Fusion. Her appearance under the suit hasn't changed much between the two games, and I think her pose in the ZM picture better illustrates the "sexualization" (is that even a word?) described in the text. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 03:48, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Are you kidding? If you'll look at the two pictures, you'll notice a major difference. Please at least consider it. I'm not saying we should necessarily get rid of the current ZM image, I'm just saying that the fusion image needs to be there as a representation as the most canonically current Samus —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Digital Watches (talk • contribs) 14:55, 2005 August 15.

Zero Mission?

Isn't Zero Mission chronologically seen her very first mission (considering the box at the end of the article were it says: "Chronological order: Metroid | Zero Mission | ... "), because if you read what she says in the beginning of the game: "... Now I shall finally tell the tale of my first battle here ... My so-called Zero Mission." It sounds like Zero Mission happened before Metroid (and not the other way round). Opinions on that? --Plumcouch 22:11, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

It's the same story, they overlap on the timeline. Andre (talk) 22:22, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Zero Mission is merely a remake of the first Metroid, down to the actual level design.--Zxcvbnm 22:34, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

I'd argue that the game is much more than a mere remake, as the gameplay experience is drastically different. It doesn't even really fit Wikipedia's definition of enhanced remake, since that article refers to games that keep the same gameplay, but have improved graphics and audio. In Zero Mission, numerous gameplay elements have been overhauled, and a fourth of the game happens after the events of Metroid. However, the basic world layout is similar, and many rooms are recognizable from the original game. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 07:18, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

This issue has been argued to death on Talk:Metroid: Zero Mission. Yoshio Sakamoto, the game's director, stated that Zero Mission is a "re-telling" of the original Metroid. The two official timelines for the series place Zero Mission after Metroid, because while the stories overlap, Zero Mission has a significant portion of the game that occurs after the point where Metroid ended. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 07:01, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Samus lost her suit??

From the article:

In the struggle she lost her Power Suit and was forced to fight her way to her old home in Chozodia. There, Samus was tested by an ancient Chozo shrine, and given her new suit with the recognizable shoulder pads. She then defeated the auxiliary Pirate leader and escaped the Pirates' Mothership.

The Varia suit is the one with the shoulder pads, and is her most commonly viewed suit. But as shown in Metroid Prime, Super Metriod, and probably the rest of the series, the Power Suit does not have the giant ball shoulder pads.

Whenever Samus upgrades to the Varia suit, that is when she gets her shoulder pads. Check out Metriod Prime, shoulder pads in the beginning, but later on in the game when the Varia suit gets disabled, she looses the shoulder pads and gets her "old style" suit.

Perhaps in like some comic or whatever that is the story, but in all the comics and stuff I see on Metroid... samus never looses her suit (though Ridley defeats samus at one point... i think...)

It seems that you haven't played Metroid: Zero Mission, because that part of the article is from the game. So...

SPOILER WARNING

In Zero Mission, it is made apparent that the suit Samus starts with is not the same as the one in the other games. It does not gain shoulder pads when it is upgraded to Varia, and it is incompatible with the three "unknown items" in the game (Space Jump, Plasma Beam, and Gravity Suit). Once Samus defeats Mother Brain and flies off the planet, her ship is shot down by Space Pirates, and her suit is destroyed. She then travels through an ancient Chozo city to obtain the more powerful suit seen in the other games. This suit has the shoulder pads, and is able to use the unknown items. The differences between the two suits in Zero Mission can be seen at Image:Samus Aran Sprites.gif. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 06:48, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Biography

Should we put explanations for each section, like in Darth Vader, or links in the titles? igordebraga ≠ 16:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Say what?

From the article:

In Super Smash Bros. Melee she became a literally slippery character whose playstyle is a far cry from most of the other characters in the game.

Consider my case. I'm not a native English speaker, and I have played very little of Super Smash Bros. (to which this sentence compares the behavior to, obviously), and while I actually own SSBM, I've used Samus very little, so you could assume I'm a good substiture for someone who's a complete and utter newbie to SSBM in this respect and would like to know more...

... and this article isn't helping.

And now I look at that sentence and think "hrrrm, what does 'slippery' mean here - so overpoweringly agile nobody can hit her, or is she too difficult to control for most player? What does 'far cry from most of the other characters' mean - far off to which direction, good or bad - gets beaten by everybody, or beats everyone seven ways even if she as much as sneezes toward them?"

Could somebody please clarify that in the article? --Wwwwolf 17:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

That's NPOV right there. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 21:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm feeling a teensy bit Dumb now, but I thought NPOV didn't mean "so ambiguous your head hurts" and "series of carefully constructed terms not indicating any particular preference toward anything and conveying no information whatsoever"?

Hmm. I propose the following one then, which doesn't make my head spin and will hopefully fulfill the NPOV requirement just as well: "In Super Smash Bros. Melee, the character remains a playable character that also has distinct properties unique to the SSBM, but allegedly has differences in an area colloquially referred to as "playing style"." You can also add "according to the U.N. security council members" or whatever, if that helps, but I'm not an expert on that. --Wwwwolf 00:51, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

dOH! I meant POV. Sorry. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 11:40, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I use Samus in SSBM all the time she is SO good.

That's very nice, Anon, but we can't put that in the article. In SSBM, Samus is a solid ranged fighter, and similar to Link or Ness in that she has a large variety of different weapons to work with rather than a specific fighting style. She is rather heavy, but can bomb jump for an infinite amount of horizontal recovery. --Tjstrf 21:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion, the whole line is just an opinion. It is true that she is seen as the least popular character in SSB:M, however, but I think it's mostly due to the fact that she is less manoueverable as in the first game. I haven't even noticed anything about this slippery business, but then again, define slippery.--GaryCXJk 20:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, she was much better in Super Smash Bros. Got bigger air, had stronger moves... Basically, she rocked. --Gaming King 09:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Size issues

The entire issue some people have with her in comparison to an average person is slightly moot because she is not entirely human. Since she has modified DNA and such, we can't really be sure of her actual weight. She even might weight ninety pounds because, although I doubt it, the Chozo blood affected her muscles in ways not stated explicitly. In Zero Misiion, she can jump disturbingly high, for example, even out of her Power Suit. So there really is no way to tell except asking nintendo, and they might not have given much thought to the issue.

Maybe the height is a result of human adaptation? Humans are much taller know than they were, say, 300 years ago, so whouldn't it make sense that people in the future would be taller than us?

Humans are taller now because of improved diet more than changes in allele frequencies. Just FYI. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 00:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, but isn't it true that as physical predators become obsolete species get smaller? Well, in any case, I think that the only real way to find out what the mysteries of the Metroid series are is to ask Nintendo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.6.183.80 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 2005 November 29.

Something Interesting

Just by chance as I was looking throught the few screens of the Metroid: Hunters demo for DS, I noticed the top screen of the options page had some very small text. After a while, with a couple eye blisters, I made out that the top screen says: "Samus: The Chosen One. A child born of the race of peoples known as Hunters." now whether this is a metaphor or not, it's somewhat interesting none the less. The next screen was more difficult and I only got certain words, "(Shoulder?) ______: _______ primarily to help carry the l___ of the Hunter's ___." And finally the last screen has 2 sections but only one is ledgible, stating: "The eyes; arguably the most important tool for a hunter. Used for spotting enemies in the most (harshest?) of (terrain?)." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.48.58.239 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 2005 November 30.

Those letters are between 3-5 pixels high, and 1-3 in width.So it's mostly how you interpret them. For the top text box the only ones I can make out are: Samus, the Chozen one.A child.....of......of.....peoples known...Hunters. So your guess is reasonable, I suppose.

Middle one:..........Primarily To help Carry The L--- ... of The Hunters....

And the bottom one seems to say exactly what you reported.

Very interesting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.20.18.170 (talk • contribs) 17 December 2005.

I have a good eye for detail, so I decided to have a look. Here's what I came up with:

Top: "Samus: The Chosen One. A Child Born of The Race of Peoples[(?)] known as Hunters."

Middle: "Shoulder Guards: Designed primarily To help Carry The Load[(?)] of The Hunter's Gun."

Bottom left( the blurry, mostly illegible section): "_____ Metroid Prime _______ ____ _____ ______ __ll__ __ __ ___ ___ _____ _ __ ___'_ ______ this To ___e _____." That's all I can make out for sure... I do have guesses at additional parts, though: "_____ Metroid Prime players ____ _____ ______ __ll__ __ __ All day(/big) _____ & he can't(/don't) Expect this To make sense."

Bottom right: "The Eye: arguably The most important Tool for a Hunter. Used for spotting Enemies in The most _ _ _ _ _ _ _ of Terrains." The missing word is 7 letters, it can't be "harshest". -- WikidSmaht (talk) 12:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Age?

Can someone provide a source for Samus' age being 26? --Sparky Lurkdragon 04:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

FMA

Does'nt Samus seem to look a lot like Winry from Full Metal Alchemist? The Republican 00:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I really noticed that at an anime convention, where I saw a plastic Winry figure, and I thought, "gee, that looks like Samus".

Holy crap! I just realized it! How did I miss that? I was looking at a screenshot from Super Smash Bros. Brawl, thinking, "Hmm... Samus looks like someone... Who was it?" Well, there it is! And what a coincidence! Metroid is my #1 obsession, and FMA is #3. (#2 is Star Wars.) --Gaming King 09:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info

Thanks for the info, but this is too much. Maybe you could put more info on countries...

Cyborg catagory removed

She's definitely not a Cyborg. When it says that she was integrated with her suit...its implied in the Japanese online comic and in other Metroid mythos that the suit is meant to be a second skin. As in...it connects with her nerves and literally becomes an outer shell. She can feel what goes on outside of it. I think that when the X infected her suit...it got into her nervous system via the suit because of this and removing it while she was uncouncious would of blown her nerves out and thus, killed her. No matter what though, it is still a suit. The definition of Cyborg is that a person is distinctively comprised of mechanical parts integrated with their biological bodies. Samus connects with the suit and is close to it, but its just a suit. Samus is herself, still a totally biological being (albiet with Chozo AND Metroid DNA in her now. She may be a little more than that now.) She's as much a Cyborg as Iron Man, who is definitely not a Cyborg. (not even in the catagory) So I'm removing the cyborg catagory unless someone explains specifically how she could be a Cyborg. Robotic suits don't count.--Kiyosuki 01:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with it completely. It has never even been suggested that she has fused with her suit during the Fusion saga.--GaryCXJk 03:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Not all cyborgs are obvious. Motoko Kusanagi, from Ghost in the Shell is an obvious example( note: I’m not saying Samus resides in a mechanical body, so don’t attack me as though I am). The old comics, Valiant and I think the Super Metroid one, show her as having internal cybernetic implants along her nervous and skeletal system, to boost her physical abilities and interface with machinery. I DO realize tht those comics are not canon, my point is simply that you have yet to prove she isn’t a cyborg. I’m not saying she definitely is, either, but just because she doesn't look half robotic, doesn’t mean she’s not a cyborg. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 15:42, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm not one of those ultra defensive wikipedia inhabitants, I won't go insane or anything. But on this subject, I beg to differ. There's no proof that she is a cyborg either...and all other facts seen in the games thus far show that she's a person in a mechanical suit, which is NOT a cyborg. Matoko, Dorothy from Big-O, and the like may not be obvious Cyborgs due to their appearance but their respective series' specifically state that they are. So...they are. On the other hand... the Japanese flash-comic located here:

http://kodansha.cplaza.ne.jp/e-manga/club/manga/metroid/vol01/

And translated here:

http://www.mechadrake.com/metroidmanga.html (with regards to Mechadrake of course! :D)

..all point to the fact she is NOT cybernetic. She's trained and raised by the Chozo, and they infuse some of their blood into her in order to allow her to survive better. The short Nintendo Comic, which isn't totally canon now, also depicts this as does the Metroid manga (not this one) briefly run. The above online comic is officially sponsored by Nintendo as well so unless something viable comes out, she's NOT a cyborg. I think there's plenty of evidence to back this up. Yes, she could be a cyborg...but Bart Simpson could be Irish. Morton Koopa Jr could be named after Bowser's real name. Sephiroth could be Vincent's son. But the fact of the matter is, is that there's no evidence supporting any of that...just like there's no evidence of this whatsoever aside from speculative sources. For all intensive purposes, she's a skilled woman in a suit. There's just not enough evidence to put her in the cyborg catagory. This is why I removed it.--Kiyosuki 03:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

She was described as a cyborg in the original manual, and I don’t think the fact that she was called “he” discredits that. It doesn’t mean that the information they recieved about her accomplishments and being a cyborg was false, it only means they’d made a false assumption about her sex. I’m not saying there is proof that she is but the lack of proof both ways is equally profound. There is no reason why a person in a mechanical suit be a cyborg can’t also happen to be a cyborg. Your assertion at the beginning of this topic that “She's definitely not a Cyborg.” is at least as unsupported as the claims that she is.

R. Dorothy Wainwright is a gynoid, by the way, not a cyborg. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 04:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

We probably shouldn't drag this out too much. But fact of the matter is, is that there's more evidence to support that she isn't one. So far the only valid evidence is the manual as you said...which also as you said, claimed that Samus was a man. I think the point of that was, as the wiki suggests, to show how mysterious Samus is...and the different rumors that spread because of that. Sorta adds to her mystisism. Its like the female marine in Metroid Echoes, who talks about Samus as if she were this mythical person that no one else but her believes in (yet, I guess.). Anyways, unless Nintendo specifically shows that she's a cyborg one day...there's more evidence to suggest otherwise now..official evidence. This particular argument happens with Iron Man, Bubblegum Crisis, and the like all the time. I guess its a very speculative subject, but until then human beings (or other biological beings) in mechanical suits do not count as Cyborgs. Samus should not be included in that catagory unless its known 100% that she should be there.--Kiyosuki 07:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I would like to add something to that. The earlier manuals *might* have been true translations of the original Japanese ones, however, seeing as there were many other games in which the translation changed some facts (Sonic the Hedgehog and the Eggman debate anyone?), it is highly unlikely it is an interpretation of the translation. Perhapse the original manual meant cybernetic suit? Or, perhapse it was written do deceive us. Also, the later games clash with the original Metroid description. Samus had parents, nowhere it gets mentioned that Samus get a cybernetic body. Even Fusion never said that Samus got permanently fused with her suit. It would be obvious now to discard the "Samus is a cyborg" story, since it just clashes with the rest of her history. --GaryCXJk 00:48, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

THIS IS A DUPLICATE DISCUSSION; PLEASE SEE THE ABOVE CYBORG DISCUSSION. --Gaming King 09:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Paragraph flow in the gender section

Ok I have got to get this off my back. Wikid, you keep reverting this paragraph.

Samus was one of the first active heroines in a video game, appearing at a time when other popular heroes, such as Mario and Link, were predominantly male and striving to rescue helpless princesses. Some games, such as Super Mario Bros. 2, added female playable characters, but these continued to exhibit exaggerated feminine characteristics. One contemporary female lead character, though less widely-known, was Alis Landale, the heroine of the first Phantasy Star role-playing game. For a time, there were few other active heroines, although the 1990s introduced the first fighting-game female, Chun-Li, and Terra Branford of Final Fantasy VI. Then, in the late 90s, Lara Croft of Tomb Raider made an impression as a female protagonist. Many feminists, however, found her extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. While there are many female heroes today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community.

Specifically the mention of Alis from Phantasy Star. I don't know why, this isn't very good paragraph structure. We're talking about Samus specifically, then out of nowhere...

One contemporary female lead character, though less widely-known, was Alis Landale, the heroine of the first Phantasy Star role-playing game. It sounds so tacked on at the last minute. I don't know why it keeps getting reverted. Why does Alis need particularly special mention in a bio about Samus? She should be used to support the fact Samus is a strong female protagonist as an example, not a special footnote.

But I don't want to argue. Instead I think we should hear from at least 3 other people to which one is preferable.

This was my reedit:

Samus was one of the first active heroines in a video game, appearing at a time when other popular heroes, such as Mario and Link, were predominantly male and striving to rescue helpless princesses. Some games, such as Super Mario Bros. 2, added female playable characters, but these continued to exhibit exaggerated feminine characteristics. There would be other strong, prolific female characters such as Alis Landale of Phantasy Star, the first fighting-game female, Chun-Li, and Terra Branford of Final Fantasy VI. Then, in the late 90s, Lara Croft of Tomb Raider made an impression as a female protagonist. Many feminists, however, found her extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. While there are many female heroes today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community.

I know its such a minor thing, but I just feel like that one minor sentence makes the whole thing sound awkward.

So what do others think? --Kiyosuki 07:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Note: It isn’t out of nowhere, the paragraph in question is a discussion of how Samus was one of the first females to break feminine stereotypes. It’s an important distinction that Alis was roughly contemporary with Samus. The other females mentioned didn’t come onto the scene until the 90s. That’s why I keep reverting it. Also, I don’t mean to turn this into a personal attack, but the fact is, you’ve made some contributions with pretty terrible grammar and flow yourself, not to mention redundancy, so I do think your asking for others to comment here is a good idea. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 17:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

No I know I'm not perfect, and I do make mistakes. You don't have to hold back. But I still stand that this paragraph doesn't read as well as it can. The example about Alis I still think isn't necessary.

Man...where is everyone? Ahg...it is a pretty small thing. Here I have an idea, I'm going to make another edit to try to find a compromise. Check it out, or if you see it first and come here second then lets talk about it here.--Kiyosuki 08:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I’ve changed it again, because it was awkward. Honestly, though, this issue is minimal. A lot of the prose in this article is... deficient, to say the least. Perhaps if I have a chance I will fix it up someday. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 19:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Great, we've reached leeway. I'm happy with how it is for now as well. Its more together this way. I wish all disagreements on wikipedia were this civil..--Kiyosuki 03:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

On the Vandalism

It may sound a bit callous, but does anyone else think it's time to start submitting some IPs to be banned? This revert war is getting a bit excessive --Digital Watches 01:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

• If you think people are vandalizing too much, submit the article to be partially protected.--Zxcvbnm 01:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Good idea. Thanks. --Digital Watches 06:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Minor suggestion of content order

This suggestion can be discarded, because it's more of a "stylish" change, but I think that the chapter "Name Pronounciation" could fit better above "Challenge of gender roles", perhapse even above "Equipment", although it fits better below Equipment, because it is both part of the description of Samus and a point of discussion, which makes a bridge between her stats and the "controversy". --GaryCXJk 12:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

NOT a silent protagonist

I actually don't think Samus is a silent protagonist. Most likely the reason it was put there is because most Nintendo-created protagonists are silent (Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Kirby, etc.), but Samus I believe is an exception. Occasionally in the games (at least the ones I played, which does not include the 3D ones, but all the others), she does a narration, which I most certainly consider to be an action that a silent protagonist may not have. Therefore, I am removing her from that category. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Speyeker (talk • contribs) 06:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree, she talks to her ship and introspects all the time in Metroid Fusion. -- stillnotelf is invisible 02:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I also don't like the idea of calling her a silent protagonist, and then listing the exceptions in the opening part of the article so I changed the wording. Samus was never really intended to be a silent protagonist. She just never had anyone to talk to in most of the games.

Speculation on SSBB = bad.

(This is in reference to a reversion I made of speculation by an anonymous user that Samus would transform between suited and survival gear forms.) We cannot say that Samus will be a transforming character in SSB:B, since the language used in the declaration is at best equivocal, and more likely indicates to the contrary. "Under certain conditions," for example, would definitely suggest that this form or mode had to be unlocked by fulfilling a set of conditions. "Remove" is the only term that suggests it might be a transformation, and this is more likely just a colourful way of announcing her entry. For instance, in SSBM every character had a different unlocking message. Dr. Mario's was some bad pun about the "Doctor is in the house", why couldn't Survival Suit Samus's be "That's a woman under there!?!" in reference to the gender confusion issue in the original Metroid? --Tjstrf 06:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Dubious Image removal by User:Zero

Moved this from the Dark Samus article:

Image:Dark Samus.JPG

Nobody, except for Metroid Prime 3: Corruption developers, etc. knows for sure if this is Dark Samus from Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, or Samus in Hyper Mode, since planetgamecube.com typed the exact words "Samus seeks to stop the spread of Phazon and eliminate its presence from the infected planets, even while she herself has been infected with Phazon and becomes increasingly affected by it as the game progresses. Her Phazon infection ties in with the gameplay, as she can now use its energy to enter “Hyper Mode” in either biped or Morph Ball form. While this power is in effect, her attacks are much more potent, but her health is in danger, and she could die if the ability is overused."

If we are unsure of the proper character being displayed, than this picture being present in an article is not appropriate. This comment also requires a citation. I'd recomend a merge of the text into this article, however. -Zero^Talk 12:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The fact that it could be Samus in Hyper Mode is just speculation, therefore it doesn't belong in either Dark Samus or Samus until we learn exactly who the picture is. WP:NOT crystal ball.--Zxcvbnm 22:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

No problem. That's why I brought it to the talkpage. We'll stand by and wait furthur confirmation.-Zero^Talk 00:36, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Stats Argument, and a way to finish it once and for all.

The height and weight statistics aren't really necessary, and given the dispute they're causing, and the fact that they came from the metroid 2 booklet. So much retconning happened (hair color, etc) since then that I can't imagine they're that important, so why not remove them outright and be done with it? Digital Watches 19:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe I'm just dense, but... the last argument about the stats that's dated on this talk page was in July of 2005, and the flurry of edits to it recently was a blatant vandal. If you object to me removing the paragraph rationalizing things, here's my case: I removed it because we're not supposed to speculate in the articles. Just presenting the data and letting readers decide for themselves if it's plausible or not seems more appropriate to me.

I'm not sure if you're thinking we should remove the hair and eye color, too, but just in case: keeping them is important as a historical note. Maybe the height/weight info is nothing but a historical note, now, but it hasn't been officially retconned yet that I'm aware of. I could be wrong on this.

Good point. No retcon yet, I suppose. Digital Watches 19:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Also, please sign your posts. It helps everyone keep track of the conversations. :) --Sparky Lurkdragon 07:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Right, forgot. Sorry about that. Digital Watches 19:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Possesive 's

It's Grammar Nazi time... When you want to indicate posession by a singular noun that normally ends in 's', you still add an apostrophe and an 's'. You only omit the 's' for plurals. See Saxon genitive and look at the chart.

Correct: Samus's arm cannon is really cool.
Incorrect: Samus' arm cannon is really cool.

Ommitting the additional 's' is only for plurals:
Correct: Have you seen all of the bounty hunters' weapons?

I went ahead and fixed this throughout the article.

--olanmills 12:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Phazon

1. Samus is infected by Phazon in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Where should we mention this? Here's a quotation from the latest Nintendo Power: "The Wii FPS gives the heroine new powers brought on by an injection of the volatile substance Phazon."

2. Phazon is supposed to be captiolized, yet there are many instances of uncapitolized usage in the article. I've done enough for today, can someone get it for me? :P

--Gaming King 10:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

1. We should mention this when the game comes out and we can see the whole story, and the location will be wherever Prime 3 fits in the timeline.
2. Sure, I'll ctrl-F it. --Sparky Lurkdragon 19:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Ponchi

Samus has (or had) a pet named Ponchi? What is it? What's the source? This is one thing I don't know about Metroid. :P --Gaming King 10:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm assuming it's from the manga. I've never read it, though, so I've put a {{fact}} tag on it. --Sparky Lurkdragon 19:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It IS from the manga, they have an entire "childhood" part which shows that. So you can reference it there.--Zxcvbnm 19:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

• fanboy instinct kicks in* ...Where might I view this... Manga? --Gaming King 09:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

• Uhh....yeah....the first e-manga....there's a link somewhere on Wikipedia....--Zxcvbnm 14:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the tip-off. :P --Gaming King 08:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

"Challenge of gender roles" paragraph

What is up with that paragraph? Besides having a very "essay-like" title, it comes dangerously close to original research. Unless someone adds sources soon, I'm going to rewrite it completely. Phils 10:49, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

No. Don't rewrite it. Remove it completely. That kind of nonsense is left up to the reader's whim. We're an encyclopedia. We detail facts with sources and basis of said fact. -Zero^Talk 13:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Samus as a female heroine

I added a weasel words tag to that paragraph as it seem riddled with them. It basically makes it sound as if all video game females were major sluts before the great Samus came along and freed them all from this stereotype despite the fact that nearly every version of Samus has had some sort of scantily clad form. Not to mention it accuses other 199.126.137.209 19:45, 8 September 2006 (UTC) "While there are many female heroines today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community." That paragraph also sounds very opinionative and biased. 199.126.137.209 19:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Section removed

I took the liberty of removing this section. It has no references for things like .any feminists, however, found Croft’s extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. or Samus' defiance of this stereotype is part of what makes her such a highly regarded character. These need to be fixed before this can be put back, but I don't know if they can be.--Zxcvbnm 23:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Samus as a female heroine

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Samus was one of the first active heroines in a video game, appearing at a time when other popular heroes, such as Mario and Link, were predominantly male and striving to rescue helpless princesses. Some games, such as Super Mario Bros. 2, added female playable characters, but these continued to exhibit exaggerated feminine characteristics. One female lead character contemporary to Samus, albeit less widely known, was Alis Landale of the first Phantasy Star role-playing game. For a time, there were few other active heroines, although the 1990s introduced the first fighting-game female, Chun-Li. Then, in the late '90s, Lara Croft of Tomb Raider and Tifa Lockhart from Final Fantasy 7 made a huge impression on the video game industry. Many feminists, however, found Croft’s extreme sexualization and unrealistic attire in a harsh environment appalling. While there are many female heroines today, a large majority of them have emulated Lara Croft’s exaggerated sexuality to appeal to a predominantly male gaming community.

Samus' defiance of this stereotype is part of what makes her such a highly regarded character. Although Samus is definitely depicted as an attractive female, and several of the Metroid games portray her in somewhat revealing attire if one completes the game under certain time restrictions, her "normal" appearance, that most gamers associate with her is her armored power suit (though in recent years her power suit and her posturing therein have been accused of being redesigned as more femininely appealing to male gamers)^{[citation needed]}, with the depictions of her without it seen as a form of fanservice. In recent games, Samus has been appearing in a blue flight suit. Although the suit is skintight, it is less revealing overall. In Super Smash Bros., hitting her with an energy attack, such as the laser gun or Ness’s lightning attack, shows her without her suit, but one can only see a highly polygonal turquoise body for a brief second. In Metroid Prime, she is never actually seen outside of her armor, but she does take off her head gear. In Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (GameCube), Samus is shown in the jumpsuit. In Metroid Prime: Hunters (Nintendo DS), she once again appears in the jumpsuit, but it is better rendered. In the upcoming Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii), Samus in the blue jumpsuit (titled "Zero-Suit Samus") is confirmed as a playable character, a la the added ending of Metroid Zero Mission.

Early Life

When was it ever said she served under Adam Malkovich before the events of Metroid? There is no source for this. (124.121.93.4 11:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC))

This was referenced in Metroid Fusion; Samus named her new computer CO Adam because he reminded her of Adam Malkovich. Later it was revealed that the computer was Malkovich; his mind had been digitized and uploaded. --Herald Alberich 15:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Samus' Gender

I thought that Samus was a Bishōnen MALE character (this still doesn't discount the cheesecake stills either). It is a common theme in Anime to have an effete and effeminate, but highly skilled and deadly, warrior appear and act like that. It kind of junks the whole Samus-as-female concept and kind of ruins the whole article, but there you go...

Except for the fact that the games, instruction manuals, and every instance where Nintendo or other companies/websites/magazines talk directly about Samus confirm that she's a woman. If you need in-game proof (not trying to be patronizing; just providing the info), refer to the Chozo logs in Prime 1, or the discussions with Adam in Fusion, where pronouns such as "she", "her", and the nickname "Lady" is used. Arrow 21:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The American product was marketed that way, much like the other Bishonen characters have been in America (see pretty much any translated Anime). Westerners usually get kind of turned off by that stuff, so they changed it to fit the market.

The script in the games, for the Prime duo and Zero Mission at least (can't confirm the others), didn't change between shores. Too, all the Japanese commercials with Samus physically shown used female actresses. And Nintendo's Japanese Metroid e-manga, where we're getting all our biographical info from (about her parents, where she was raised before the Chozo took her in, etc.), makes it clear it's a girl too. So it's not a case of an adaptation across shores; she's always been a female both in Japan and the US. I seriously understand where you're coming from; bishōnen is all over the place and this is an instance where it could logically fit, but it's simply not the case here. Arrow 21:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Did you see her 3D promotional artwork for Super Smash Bros. Brawl (the one where she is wearing her Zero Suit?) Does that look like any type of man to you? NeoSeifer

Eye colour

I started playing Metroid: Zero Mission again and the beginning of the game depicts Samus' eyes as Heterochromatic. One green eye and one blue. The Shyguy Kingdom also shows this in their ripped sprites.[1] - Zero1328 _Talk? 02:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that may be the shine on the visor making it look green. All recent pics of her shows her with two blue eyes. Her Brawl pic for example. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 02:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to agree with SaturnYoshi on this - that's just visor glare. --Sparky Lurkdragon 03:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Jennifer Hale?

Recently, when I entered Samus' article, Jennifer Hale was listed as her VA. I always thought that Samus was a silent protagonist, much like Mario and Link, so since when has she had a VA? NeoSeifer

Well, she's technically not a silent protagonist since she does talk, though only in the 2D games so far, with entire monologues of scrolling text. But anyways, as far as voice acting goes, Samus does emit grunts when hit and a scream when she dies in the Prime series, so clearly there's someone voicing her, even if it's not actual talking. I recently had a long discussion with SaturnYoshi over this, because the opinion of the community over Hale being the VA is split since her official site doesn't list Prime in her resumé. It seems Game Informer had a "Behind the Mic" article (Issue 161, Sept 2006 pg. 18) that did confirm her role though. The article is available online, but you need to have a subscription to the magazine to be able to read it. Arrow 02:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Morph Ball

I was wondering on two issues about the morph ball:

1. How does the suit change into the morph ball? 2. How does Samus fit inside the morph ball?--BigMac1212 17:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

This question, "How old is Samus?" and "How do Missiles fit into her arm cannon?" are the most frequently asked questions I've seen to date. The answer to all three are: "We will probably never find out." -MF14

Yeah. According to Pirate data files, they tried to solve the great mystery of Morph Ball but failed. Miserably. With broken bones. It's advanced Chozo technology.