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how do i remove your barnstars???????????

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I have tremendous respect for your opinion and sense of fairplay, but am a bit confused on your objective at WP:N. I want to see more clarity with WP:N as the central focus, but until it improves the shrub planters can use its weaknesses to defend their gardens.

It seems that this tag issue is consuming too much energy among several people who agree on the big picture. I see it as minor but heating to unreasonable. Why not let the disputed tag serve as a compromise, and let's get this energy focused on shrub trimming.

PS: have you seen how the film cabal is twisting the MfD consenus? Claiming it as a clear validation of the page. That is precisely the reason it should have been deleted salted and capped in concrete (not that I feel strongly).

Cheers!

Kevin

--Kevin Murray 02:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

What the hell is a shrub planter? Am I missing something?
I personally disagree with Kevin, I think the film page should be kept, but the rejected tag should remain. Travb (talk) 03:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
  • It seems to me there is a dispute over the wording of the page, but not over the existence of the page. The disputedtag implies the latter, and is therefore probably not the best to use on that page. >Radiant< 09:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Please respond here or on WP:NN

I was "reminded" of 3RR just now.[1] Is adding:

{{disputedtag}}

...for the second time a 3RR violation? Since my edits have been different everytime, obviously this would not be a 3RR correct? Should I ask WP:ANI or can we resolve this together without third party intervention? Travb (talk) 03:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, we will see how things pan out in the next few days, happy editing :) And thanks for your comments and work.
I think we have a fair chance of working things out together as a communitee. [If I was a betting man, I wouldn't put money on it, but hope dies last :)--and I have been surprised before] Travb (talk) 03:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thought You Might Like This

I thought you might like this section that I put on my userpage. It seems to me many editing conflicts result from contributors who have highly inflated opinions about themselves and their edits.

Before Contributing...

I have found that sometimes unqualified people weigh in on Wikipedia articles, reducing the accuracy and quality of these articles in spite of their good intentions. Based on my experience, I believe these editors genuinely believe they are improving the articles they contribute to. The phenomenon reminds one of the deluded contestants who try out for American Idol and only end up humiliating themselves. When the judges offer sound criticism to these contestants they tend to respond quite angrily. So it is, I have found, at Wikipedia. Being honest with these editors sometimes results in hard feelings on both sides. Perhaps I can prevent some of these hard feelings by sharing with you the criteria I try to abide by and subsequently expect of other editors. Before contributing, ask yourself the following questions:

1) Am I qualified to write? That is, do I possess a sufficient mastery of English to make a worthy entry in an encyclopedia? Am I aware that writing for an encyclopedia requires a set of skills not needed on a blog? If you are not a good writer consider running your proposed edits past those who do possess such skills before you make changes to an article.

2) Have I mastered the subject matter I am writing about? Having expertise in one field or subject does not make one qualified to write on another. Nor does reading just a few books and articles about a subject necessarily make one sufficiently knowledgeable to address an issue in a reference work. This mastery of the subject must involve a thorough reading of many books and articles that express various views. Spending time talking to one's friends on a blog does not qualify one academically to contribute to an encyclopedia.

3) Am I willing to accept correction on matters of substance and style? Wikipedia articles are constructed by the consensus of a community of editors. Individual contributors can not expect to bypass this community and they must be willing to accept correction or criticism without getting angry and bitter.

4) Am I sufficiently confident in my edits that I do not believe I need to resort to sock puppetry or other violations of policy for my edits to stand?

5) When engaged in an editing conflict with someone is my goal accuracy or victory? Wikipedia's purpose is to inform its readers not to boost the egos of its editors.

Will3935 19:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for dealing with vandalism!

Thanks a bunch for dealing with the vandalism on my talk page! Patiwat 22:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

rpa

Rbj continued to make more personal attacks after your {{rpa}}. I don't know why he keeps doing this, but I've asked him again to stop. If he does it again, do you think wp:rfc is appropriate? — coelacan — 02:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

He's a pretty good editor on physics topics; I will say that. I don't know about ANI. I have taken things there that I don't think were substantially dissimilar to this, and was told to get over it. I think it's ANI that's actually too busy and too desensitized for personal attack reports. — coelacan — 04:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Maybe. In the past he's come to my talk page with his flames. I doubt he'll do that again, but I would really like to just be able to edit talk:marriage in peace. It feels like my presence there is what pushes him from casual ranting to downright nastiness. — coelacan — 04:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
A Ctrl-F search for my name on his talk page reveals most of the reasons, I think. — coelacan — 05:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

RfA?

I noticed your editor review... Are you gearing up for an RfA? Need a nominator? :-) Grandmasterka 10:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Grandmasterka would like to nominate you to be an administrator. Please visit Wikipedia:Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Grandmasterka to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Seraphimblade 2. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.

Comment from WavesTaska

Harry Smith (Infielder)

I created the page because it was refereced on Harry_Smith, i deleted the page if you diont need it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WavesTaska (talk • contribs).

Replied on user's talk. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 18:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Your comment at Wikipedia talk:Attribution

Re your comment: "If the university is unaccredited, its fact-checking process is meaningless." I'm not convinced of that. I would assume unaccredited universities may vary in the quality of their fact-checking, from practically none to about as good as some accredited universities. --Coppertwig 20:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Right. I think we can say that as Wikipedians, we can't rely on unaccredited universities; but some individuals or organizations who happen to know about specific universities might be able to rely on them for purposes unrelated to Wikipedia, so it might not be accurate to simply say that they are unreliable. Also, there's a difference between "unreliable" and "meaningless". --Coppertwig 00:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of most popular given names

Hi, just wondering if you could add a rationale to your close. Thanks, Pan Dan 21:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Pan Dan 21:39, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I've added a rationale at your request. However, if you disagree, or have heard from anyone who does, please DRV it. Any non-admin close to which there is any opposition or question should be examined at DRV, in my opinion. (I removed a spam-blacklisted link from your page by the way, I hope you don't mind, but I couldn't save the page with it there!) Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 21:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pan_Dan"

I do think the article violates WP:WINAD (note I recommended delete). However I recognize that others have a different interpretation, and I think your close is fair and not challengeable. (What I take issue with is admins who determine consensus by counting the votes. That's why I asked you for a rationale, and I thank you again for providing it.) Pan Dan 21:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Editor Review

Answers to your questions and statements: 1) You're welcome! 2) No. 3) Of course I don't disagree, thank you for changing it! Nousernamesleft 23:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Email

Good evening; could you glance at your inbox when you have the chance? anthonycfc [talk] 03:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I've replied again. anthonycfc [talk] 00:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank-you for reverting the vandalism to my user page. Jerry lavoie 03:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your support on my RfA. It passed with 55/0/0. I'll try my best to be worthy of the trust the community has put in me. If there are any of my actions you have a problem with or a question about, please feel free to discuss this with me and if needed to revert me. If there is anything else I can help you with (backlogs, comments, ...), you can always contact me on my talk page. Fram 14:57, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

AfC mixup

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for creation/2007-02-06#Berrytown, New Zealand. I don't know if you realised it at the time, but the next submission was unheadered, and you Declined both at once as though they were one submission. I've added a header for the next submission, ZMK DV-2. Would you consider re-reviewing these submissions seperately? Thank you. --Geniac 16:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Walt Sorensen delete review

The delete review I requested was based on the information that was added at the end of the debate minutes before the debate was closed. there was no time for a consensus to be formed taking into account this new information. The delete review was not intended as a adf part 2. Please reconsider your Endorsement photodude 00:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

there are two non primary sources one is the college paper as you pointed out the second is the book from the international photographic society of Nantou, Taiwan. which includes the lecture given by the subject and a copy of the images that are displayed in the city hall at Nantou, Taiwan. This is a limited circulation book and has no ISBN that I know of (i don't read Chinese so it might), which makes this a hard source to reference, there are photographs of the pages in the book included as a reference. Please tell me if there is a better way to reference this information. Also how should the Notable art be referenced as a non primary source? a letter of reference? non-primary sources for artists in reference to notable art acquired by governments is difficult to obtain, which is an issue surrounding this subject. any suggestions you have would be helpful.photodude 01:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't have the book with me at the moment, I'll get you the information by tomorrow. the following is a link to images from the book[2]. I assume from the cover of the book that it was published in 2005. thanks for your help. Any recommendations on how to cite notable art that was acquired by a government and put on public display? photodude 01:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
the difficulty of citing notable art is a big issue. I think your suggestion citing the location, government and year of display or acquisition is about all that can be done. photodude 02:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
ok on the book I found an isbn number. I can't read the publisher information and i only think the line that includes 2005 12 31 is the publishing date. any way the ISBN for the book is 986-80230-1-7 call number 958.232 photodude 03:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
only reference to the book on the web i can find [3] might find more if i read and could search in chinese. photodude 03:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thanks for your vote to relist photodude 03:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thanks for all your help, I think if the article is relisted I will just leave the publishing in chinese. unfortunetly this seems to be turning into a battle with a bunch of editors who have percived notions of what the wiki policies are. perception is often more powerful then fact. photodude 22:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Question from anonymous user

i deleted that part as there is no conclusive evidence to suggest that iran does sponsor terrorism and so its emplacement within that page appears to be almost political propaganda, maybe instead of deleting it should be instead modified to show that it is likely that Iran do sponsor terrorism but that there is no proof? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.16.146.159 (talk • contribs).

Replied on user's talk. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 18:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

User page

Thanks for the vandalism revert on my user page. ;) Robotman1974 23:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Kent Hovind

Hi.... Due to an edit conflict, I accidentally reverted your changes to Kent Hovind when it had actually been my intention to revert the removals by the previous anon-ip editor as presumed vandalism. The edit summary "reverting unexplained removals as presumed vandalism" referred to his edits, not yours. However, the entry in the trivia section you removed, and which I unintentionally restored, is actually accurate, as outlandish as it sounds. I agree it's not sourced and I'm not sure where you'd find a source to confirm it, but I can confirm that Hovind did appear on Ali G, having seen the episode. I don't know whether you want to just leave it, fact-tag it or removed it as unsourced. Whatever you like. --Rrburke(talk) 02:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox

See User talk:Seraphimblade/sandbox2/2. — Deckiller 03:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Rajkumar Kanagasingam

Hi,

An editor is continuously vandalising my Bio over dispute related to Talk:Anton Balasingham. The editor tried hard to delete my Bio from wikipedia. You can see the evidence here(1) and here(2)' The editor is taking an undue interest over my Bio and deleted over Citation. I have restored the information. I requested an Administrator to check my Bio whether Citations are enough. I also taken this matter for Request for Comment. Though I have off-line media archives(which are attached on Talk:Rajkumar Kanagasingam, I couldn't bring it to the articles. Now I am very much frustrated. Please help me on this matter.Rajkumar Kanagasingam 05:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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Ketchup

What are you up to these days? Alan.ca 11:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I have been spending a great deal of time rating the city articles. I'm trying to get every capital city in the world rated and included in the WP:CITY project. After that is near completion I will focus on improving some of the stub and start class top importance articles. I see you're up for RFA again, I hope it goes well. Alan.ca 02:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
  • The challenge with researching foreign cities is that much of the information tends to be available much more easily to people who are local. I think most of my efforts in relation to foreign cities will focus on promoting the research of the article with interest groups and providing feedback on their edits. However, if I come up with something for you, I will be sure to let you know. Alan.ca 02:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Huckabee

for the record, I have never demanded proof that his parents influenced him. I acknowledged that parents influence children. I asked for citations, just like we should for any BLP. I also asked that any information about his parents should be about how he and they relate, and HOW they influenced him. WJhonson's page was actually so disconnected from Huckabee's life and times, that I don't understand how he even feels it demonstrates that influence. I gave him examples on the talk page, I made multiple compromise offers, and still he persists. As noted, I've left the page for a while, but I do find ignoring his attitudes and mischaracterizations difficult. ThuranX 23:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Serim could you please review the page I linked to, to confirm for yourself that the citations I provide *on* that page (although perhaps not the *page* itself) are indeed reliable sources. For example, tombstones published in a book. Census records published online. Death Index published online, etc. And to the above, we do *not* in any biography need to *show* how parents influenced children in order to include the *names* of those parents. That's a bar that is extremely more strict that what we actually use. BLP does not in any way suggest it. Wjhonson 23:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Test subject

I'm thinking about using Xenosaga as a test subject, although the Star Wars wikia is better to use as an actual example on the policy page. I started the Xenosaga wiki a while ago, and I just revisited it for the first time in at least a year. It needs a lot of work, but at least it will be a start to transwiki everything over there and to Wikibooks. — Deckiller 21:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Xenosaga lists were on AfD a couple months ago, and I promised them a solution to the cruft issue within a few months in a manner that would make everyone happy. Consequently, there would be essensially no controversy with the Xenosaga concept (although the Wikibooks aspect can hold off until this is officially initiated). Ironically, a couple of people have actually been pressing me for the solution as of late, and I was about to say "just delete it" until this compromise was forged. — Deckiller 21:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe Xenosaga had a wikibooks at one point, but I think it was deleted because of the format and the lack of information. — Deckiller 21:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah. Here's the discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of terms in Xenosaga. — Deckiller 22:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, sounds good. I just finished transwikifying two of the four non-character lists to the Wikia. — Deckiller 22:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
  • It looks like they're against plot guides (or, as the admin put it, "video game guides"). It looks like Wikia is the primary move then. — Deckiller 23:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Writing as in taking the information and turning it into a wikibooks format? I might have some time to do it, although I'm in the middle of a couple FA pushes and some other tasks. It depends on how much additional work is required. Glad to see the go ahead :) — Deckiller 20:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I see there's still some opposition to the concept on Wikibooks though. — Deckiller 20:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Iranian sentiments edits

Thank you for starting the clean-up process; I wasn't looking forward to the vitriol that would have assuredly ensued had I started deleting all the uncited information. If you have any questions about what sortd of statements need citation, please ask. Internal wikilinks are not enough, but newspaper, or other reliable sources of info are suitable for citation.Arcayne 03:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Tranwiki issue

I noticed there are some bumps on Wikibooks. I'm well on my way to completing the transwiki process for both the Xenogears and Xenosaga plot lists to the Xenosaga Wikia. External links provided at the bottom of the main pages. It has worked so far; no opposition. I've also been attempting to spread the idea a bit. Looks like we might have to drop the Wikibooks aspect though. — Deckiller 21:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah: [4]. I was planning on transwikying everything over last year for similar reasons, but the idea fizzled due to other issues. — Deckiller 22:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

THANKS!

For reverting the vandalism on my userpage. Wow! I've never been vandalized before. I must have finally done some quality editing. Would you be so kind as to add a stern warning to the talk page of the vandal? Edison 03:44, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Need Advice

I am working on a biographical article about Brian McLaren and one of the editors (Virgil Vaduva, a McLaren fan)seems to be almost psychotic. In the course of making over 1100 edits I have had editing conflicts with some very emotional characters, but I think this guy needs medication. When I place quotations from McLaren in the article he says they are inflammatory and have no place....I could go on and on about his beligerent conduct. Now he is being intrasigent and won't let any one else's edits stand. He refuses to discuss anything reasonably. He has scared away other editors. I'm at my wits end. Can you give me any advice? Thanks!Will3935 05:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Wow! That was a quick response! Thanks for your advice. I did go ahead and ask for a third opinion. That seems the least threatening way to handle things. Thanks again.Will3935 06:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

RFA

I don't think anon "supports" or "opposes" are counted but consider my support. 141.213.210.80 01:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

They are not, but I appreciate your thought in any case. :) Please do be civil with Runcorn though, (s)he certainly has every right to express an opinion (as of course do you). Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 01:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't say those things about Runcorn if I didn't think them to be true and have evidence for each instance. But like I mentioned on the RFA, his admin capability and biases are irrelevant to his "support" or "oppose" declaration. I still think it is potentially relevant to mention why a "strong oppose" is on your RFA. 141.213.210.80

Runcorn's comment

Could you maybe explain either here or on the RfA page what Runcorn is referring to? JoshuaZ 15:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I will explain here, unless of course you'd care to pose it as a question there. He didn't really seem to desire a response. A while back, an anonymous editor approached me, stating that he'd found my name through WP:FACT (which I was listed on at the time), seen here. The request was certainly civil enough, and was a request to check a reference, so I certainly had no reason to doubt it was just a newer user asking for help. There did indeed turn out to be somewhat of a concern. In the interview cited as a source for Sampras' Jewishness, Sampras actually carefully avoids stating that he is Jewish, only describing that he does have some Jewish heritage. Given that he does not self-identify as Jewish, I agreed that the information should be removed until a better source can be found. (Contrary to Runcorn's assertion, I do consider this a BLP matter, some people are very sensitive about accurate representation of their heritage, and any such claim should be sourced to BLP standards.) Runcorn contacted me later by email, stating that the IP user was User:Antidote, but offered no evidence for the claim. Neither Antidote, nor any of the sockpuppets Runcorn listed, had been a party to the discussion on Talk:List of South-East European Jews, and I saw no other evidence for the claim (and several anonymous editors had been involved in a dispute on the talk page), and to be quite blunt, an accusation like that should be dismissed if no evidence is provided.
So, to sum up my views on the whole thing:
  • My edits were my own, the anonymous editor just requested a source check. (S)he didn't even suggest removal of the information, I did that on my own as a BLP concern.
  • Questions of ancestry or heritage are sensitive to many people, fall under the "potentially controversial" provision of WP:BLP, and must be sourced to those standards.
  • I will dismiss an accusation of sock/meatpuppetry out of hand (so long as it's not glaringly obvious, which it certainly wasn't in this case), unless the accuser can back it up with something more than "I say so" or "This user agreed with something a banned user said once." Burden of proof is on the accuser.
  • I probably should have used a more moderate tone in my email, and not gotten quite as irritated.
Hope that helps to clear it up, please feel free to ask if you have any additional questions. You're welcome to copy this to the RFA's talk page or anywhere else if you'd like. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 16:23, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Transwiki continued

I'd say we just give up with Wikibooks. They are still too ignorant to grasp what we are saying. I think we should focus on the individual Wikia then. — Deckiller 17:40, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!

In a few minutes you're going to pass your RfA with 96% support - that's a great achievement, well done! A Bureaucrat will be along shortly to issue you with your shiny new set of admin tools. If you need any assistance in using them then please ask and I will do my best to answer them for you! Best wishes and happy mopping! (aeropagitica) 00:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Conga-rats!!

.. it's passed!! Well done on your RFA :) - Alison☺ 01:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, as Alison says, you are now an administrator! If you haven't already, now is the time to look at the Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide and Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Best wishes, Warofdreams talk 21:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Congratulations. I think you will be an outstanding administrator!Will3935 01:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Excellent, now you can help out at AIV instead of backlogging it ;) All the best with the new tools! – riana_dzasta 01:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Yay! ~ Arjun 01:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
You'll do great. Thanks for the support at mine by the way. John Reaves (talk) 01:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Congrats. WjBscribe 01:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
A little late perhaps, but congratulations nonetheless. -- Black Falcon 07:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I was putting up actual facts on Jack Bauer. The character is the main antagonist and does enjoy killing innocent lives and heroes that try to stop the evil threat known as the CTU and United States Government. 24.117.76.31 01:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Large pathetic galaxy

Hi. Could you explain your reasoning in your closure here? The way I saw it, nobody was arguing for it to be kept, and there was arguably consensus to either delete or delete and redirect. Trebor 15:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay. It seemed slightly perverse that the outcome would be something that nobody was arguing for, but I forgot that you could merge and redirect without an AfD decision (and will suggest it on the talk page now). Thanks for the explanation. Trebor 22:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Help with EN page

Can I take you up on your offer to help mediate? I'm now involved with the Every Nation entry.

My read of this is that Thelma Bowlen is following Wiki guidelines. Contributors Blueboy96 and Osakadan are accusing her of having "an agenda". However, if you read through the talk pages, it seems rather obvious that these two are the activists here.

And on that note, Osakdan reverted my edit without explanation on the talk page. Pink collar girl 09:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with the EN page! I looked through the Talk Page and apparently it's been through mediation before. If you look at the page's History, you'll notice the numerous contributions made by Blueboy and Osakadan and how their contributions to the page are obviously biased. One look at their individual talk pages and it's apparent other contributors have had to raise similar issues as well. Since I'm new to this, I get the impression that not all contributors are interested in creating encyclopedic entries. Appreciate your time! :-) Pink collar girl 05:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations!

I knew you'd make it, congratulations on becoming an administrator, and I am most certainly glad that I voted for you.. Have a great day! :P Illyria05 (Talk • Contributions) 04:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Books!

Sorry to see how things worked out. I was away hence not getting back to you but.... All the best anyway, catch you around! --Herby talk thyme 07:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the block

Thanks for blocking 145.103.252.45! Your a great Admin Crested Penguin 10:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC) Just looked, you have the same name as me! Thanks once again! Crested Penguin 10:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation!

Thanks for the explanation/clarification on my talk page. Appreciate it! Pink collar girl 03:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Removal of User:Reader contributor from WP:AIV

Hi, Just unclear on why you removed User:Reader contributor from WP:AIV as a "content dispute." S/he has been spamming links to commercial websites with objectionable amounts of advertising that s/he is the marketing director for. The links have been removed multiple times by multiple independent editors. If this isn't the textbook definition of spamming, as well as a violation of WP:COI, and WP:EL, I don't know what is. Per WP:AN persistent spammers should be reported to WP:AIV. This spammer has been given appropriate warnings, and persists past {{spam4}} which indicates that blocking is appropriate for continuing to spam after the warning. Just unclear as to why preventing this user from continuing to spam WP is a bad thing. Leuko 05:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The "disputed edits" are not being "discussed." Everyone is just telling the repeat spammer why his spam links keep getting removed. And the contributor is placing his link on a number of different articles. I still see it as spamming and vandalism... Leuko 05:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Ultimate X-Men (story arcs): Peer Review

Greetings! In December of 2006, you participated in the discussion for the 2nd deletion nomination of Ultimate X-Men (story arcs). After two months of rewriting, reorganizing, and referencing, the article is now undergoing a WikiProject Comics peer review. Your editorial opinion would be most welcome to help us improve the article to A-class status. Thanks for your time! - fmmarianicolon | Talk 06:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Removing of AIV names

Why are you removing AIV names when the names clearly violate the username policy? Real96 07:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry to be blatant with you, but this conversation is continued on this thread. (For your records) :-) Real96 07:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, yeah! Congrats on your successful RFA! Real96 07:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of Faerûn: Present

Seraphimblade, you closed this AfD as delete and deleted the article, but I think you forgot the other nominated articles. As nominator, it would be improper if I deleted them, but as a closed discussion, these could easily be forgotten. Could you please delete them or (if you want them kept) remove the AfD notices and add the decision to the talk pages? Thank you! Fram 10:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up, enjoy your coffee :-) 20:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

But most of time food article doesn't cite any reference. I think the contents aren't likely to be challenged. Right.--NAHID 08:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

i didnt delete anything...

i got a message tht said i deleted stuff about kent hovind...i havent been on here for about 2 weeks...

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Large pathetic galaxy (second nomination)

Hi Seraphimblade, hope adminship is treating you well. Fraid I'm here to complain though :-) (heh, you wanted the job...). I'm really not sure about your close of this AfD as no concensus. There were no keep opinions in it and a difference of opinion as to whether outright deletion or a conversion into a redirect was appropriate. As I see the breakdown of comments:

  • 4 delete opinions - all well argued
  • 2 redirect opinions - one well argued, the other just saying "potentially useful" as redirect
  • 1 move opinion - well rebutted, with the proposnent then showing confusion as to the proper fate of the article

There seemed to be agreement that there should no longer be an article at Large pathetic galaxy. If you weren't sure whether to delete outright or change into a redirect surely you could have relisted the debate for further discussion? I am presently minded to take the close to DRV but wanted to discuss it with you first... WjBscribe 15:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

The talkpage is not going to be a productive venue for discussion on an article that so few people visit. And a delete concensus ona talkpage is of no validity anyway. Why did you not just relist the debate in todays AfDs so concensus could be reached? WjBscribe 16:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
My problem is that all I can do is start a new AfD, whereas you can relist the present discussion in todays debates adding the {{relist}} tag to the end of the present discussion, so that the debate continues from the point it had reached. I really think its important to get an actual outcome on this one. WjBscribe 16:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the process, but from my point of view we've been left with an article that says "Large pathetic galaxy is the informal designation for a large, dim clump of primarily red giant stars in proximity to our own galaxy." which is just not true, and I don't know what to do about that. Could you bear to explain on my talk page (or WJB's) what the options are? Thanks Chrislintott 17:24, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Large pathetic galaxy. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. WjBscribe 18:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely no problem- got to that outcome in the end. And we're all learning around here- I don't regret supporting your RfA, I think you're doing a great job! I've listed the AfD in the appropriate Delsort so that there might be more comments this time and we can actually get a result :-). WjBscribe 16:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

3RR followup

A checkuser revealed that editor Davkal used a sockpuppet/meatpuppet to evade his 3RR block and make an additional revert: Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Davkal. Just giving you a heads up since you were the admin who gave him the 3RR block (Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Davkal reported by User:Milo H Minderbinder (Result: 24 hours)). --Minderbinder 18:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into it. --Minderbinder 12:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

help out

can you help get the false "vandalism" warnings off my talk page? one editor put 12 or so of them there even though there was no vandalism and others keep re-inserting them, and i just am not sure how things work here, if i remove them is that 3RR or is it OK? if others keep putting them on there is that harrassment? it seems that when people see the warnings they just assume they are true. --71.112.7.212 06:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

thanks a million seraphimblade 71.112.7.212 06:32, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Does that mean I have to let him insult me?

Does that mean I have to let him insult me? Can I at least archive the talk page? He is clearly doing this to me (and others, btw) to avoid having his pr-text edited. Answer on this page, please.--DorisH 13:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

It certainly does not. If an editor is being insulting, ask them to stop. If they refuse to do so, there are processes for dispute resolution, and you may also make an informal complaint on the incident noticeboard. However, the fact that one editor is behaving inappropriately does not mean that any other editor is excused from doing so. Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I am not planning on feeding the trolls. The practice of smear-campaigning is what they employ throughout, as can be seen in the edit histories - so it would be kind of braindead of me to assume that they would stop if I ask them to. It just gives them more opportunity to smear-campaign, that's why you should not feed the trolls. --DorisH 13:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for your support during my recent RfA. I'm quite honored, and I hope I can live up to your words. (And I'll take all the support I can get. ^_-) Shimeru 16:12, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

3RR

Is there a particular reason why you decided to skip this report?   /FunkyFly.talk_  20:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Gwen Gale

Just a FYI. Daniel Bryant 23:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

And more FYI.--Blue Tie 00:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Gwen Gale states that she has emailed you and received no response. I urge you to respond in a timely fashion.Derex 01:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I don't want anything else, and I had no opinion over the block itself. The timing may have caused some confusion, as you may have been in the process of unblocking when I left this note (2 minutes before the unblock registered). Derex 01:48, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your gracious reply Seraphimblade, it's truly appreciated. Sorry about missing on your age (argh) and what's more, I'll take the whole thing as a friendly 3rr warning if that's ok with you. Gwen Gale 01:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

AFD on Rajkumar Kanagasingam

Hi,

An AFD on my Bio Rajkumar Kanagasingam is brought only to distract the offences at wikipedia after stealing my e-mail address and thereafter my wiki passwords by Netmonger and his/her group and nothing else. How this user can bring this AFD before he clears himself from the offences which is now under investigation under an Administrator’s supervision and the details are here.Rajkumar Kanagasingam 05:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/The Wonder Girls

Hey, sorry about the mess here; I was fixing a few broken/incomplete AfD noms at the time, and in my rush "fixed" one that wasn't actually broken in the first place (the nominator created it in the proper location Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Wonder Girls soon after). Since I created it in error, I tagged it as {{db-owner}} --- or is there a reason we need to keep the page? Thanks, cab 12:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion/Around the Rings

You labeled it a blatant advertisement and I have to disagree. If you've done any work within the Olympic movement at all, you would have heard of this group. Do a little research and you'll realize this is a legitimate entry. It would be akin to labeling an entry for ESPN as an ad. Aroundtherings.com is the only news agency that follows the business of the Olympics and as such, they get incredible access to world leaders. Send a note to anyone at the IOC, the USOC or even BOCOG and they will respond back. user:janicelmcdonald
I guess I'm still trying to work my way through where I should respond to your response, so I'm putting it here. I'm listing some places where Around the Rings has been quoted or referred to in order to verify that they are what I said. Your welcome to "userfy" it if you'd like. CHeck these links at: CNN [[5]] NPR [[6]] Sports Business News [[7]] USOC [[8]] VISA [[9]] Commons Dreams [[10]] World Rowing [[11]] This site lists Around the Rings as an official Olympic website McCarthy PR [[12]] user:janicelmcdonald
Sure. What do I need to do to rewrite? I know there is a lot more to say about it but I would have to do some more research. user:janicelmcdonald
Ok, I found a few things where others site the service's influence. Here is an article from Newsweek which calls it the "go-to source" for Olympic Bid information[[13]], and in Reuters where they refer to it as "influential." [[14]] They are quoted as well in the Chicago Sun Times. [[15]] user:janicelmcdonald
Where would I find it to edit? I haven't worked on it because I didn't know where I could see it. user:janicelmcdonald

Unfair

It was unfair of you to unblock user:Gwen Gale, who has a long history of edit waring. She games the system by stopping short of 4 reverts in 24 hours. She has been warned before. This time she violated the rule and should have been subjected to the consequences. --However whatever 22:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying

I'm trying to discuss the problem, but FeloniusMonk and Guettarda seem to think that baseless accusations by some blogger are comments and not allegations and seem to give them quite a bit of credence. Additionally, they seem to think that pointing out that only two people have made such allegations "minimizes" it because they want to include "other" critics but then there are no supporting links, only two blogs where one quotes the other. Care to help resolve the issue? El Cubano 05:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. El Cubano 05:46, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

AN3 report

FM screwed up the time stamps - all 4 reverts are within 24 hours. Guettarda 06:06, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

As a participant in the dispute, I'd say my advice isn't worth much. El Cubano is an established editor, who seems to have intentionally violated the 3rr. Obviously a block isn't meant to punish, just to stop. As for his actions since your warning - the look to me like he tried to recruit you to help him. If I were not involved, I would probably block him. On the other hand, if you AGF, you should never block anyone unless they had continued edit warring after they had broken the 3rr and been warned once. In that case though, it would be a 4rr. Guettarda 06:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Yep. I'm annoyed by what appear to be specious arguments (at least to me), and I'm trying to work on articles, not engage someone who is using what seem to be straw man arguments. Oh well. Guettarda 06:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

who are you?

who the hell are you and why are you trying to tell me what to do? Tell me, or else. Even if you cancel my account, I will another and keep making more, and more, and even more, so if you're just some random dude, then fuck off! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PoidLover (talk • contribs) 09:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Interesting remedy re LE web page

Protection is an interesting remedy with the Landmark Education web page. I have actually believed that it, for the longest time, should be protected. I also believe that Smee needs to be blocked on an ongoing basis whenever the 3RRs occur. The two examples I cited are rather abrasive, and Smee, in these cases, should request dispute resolution rather than reverting. Sm1969 05:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Thank you for protecting the page. I will no longer be focusing on editing that page in the future, and it will be off of my watchlist for a long time. In the future I will be much more quick to seek out dispute resolution. Thanks again. Smee 05:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

What blocking does do is add to the "block log" for this particular user so as dispute resolutions are used, it is possible to show the true character of an editor over long periods of time. User:Smeelgova has had arbitrations before on a related topic "The Hunger Project" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hunger) and a comment by Wikipedia general counsel Brad Patrick, "I'm not the best person to respond to this given my role, but I can tell you that the pattern of editing that you have engaged in over the past month, with your selection of articles, POV (in my estimation) and tendency to edit in only a very narrow area warrant very careful evaluation of exactly what it is you are doing. I just took a look at the page you put together on Harry Margolis and your choice of supposedly "relevant" legal items, and I'm really not sure what you are up to except grinding an axe. I believe you are going to be called out for your viewpoint. You might want to ask yourself if, as the userpage of User:Essjay asks, with every click of the "save page" button you are making Wikipedia a better place. Are you?--BradPatrick 23:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

That quote is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Danny_Archive_6

My response to your comment is that Smeelgova should be blocked whenever she engages in 3RR, particularly when both the letter and spirit are violated, as is the case here. This is how a track record is built. When mediation and arbitration are invoked, the track record is will get taken into consideration. When Smee/Smeelgova is allowed to apologize her way out of it, there is no track record. That's the problem I have with protection only. Sm1969 05:57, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

  • That was a long time ago. I have since widened my areas of research quite a great deal. And, as stated above, I am taking a long-needed break from the Landmark Education article. Perhaps Sm1969 should as well. Smee 05:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC).
I have been on a long break from the LE article, with 11 (eleven) edits so far this *year* prior to today. You have thousands so far this year, mostly on LE and related topics, all with a very strong POV as pointed out by Brad Patrick. Sm1969 06:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Please stop. You clearly have it out for me, for some weird and frightening reason. I have ceased editing of that article, that should be enough for you. Leave me alone. Smee 06:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

All of that being said. There is no need for a block in this case, and I strongly believe in issuing blocks to stop disruption, not to punish, and certainly not as a means of recordkeeping. Smee was most certainly not the only party I saw involved in the edit war. Were it so, likely a block would have been the remedy, rather than protection. Sm1969, if there's a specific arbitration remedy that Smee has violated, post a request for arbitration enforcement. If ArbCom feels that it is necessary to place special restrictions or probation on a user, they can and will do so, but those don't exist just because a party was in an ArbCom case. If you'd just like to make a general complaint regarding disruptive editing, WP:ANI is the forum you want. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

We have different interpretations of policy. I do interpret issuing blocks as stopping disruption, both in the short term and in the long term. The long term track record shows that the short term remedies are not effective, and future penalty impositions can be made more harsh. As for the assertion of edit warring, I think you need to look at the actual content that Smee reverted. Changes "states" to "claims" or "asserts" is very biased language. The Charter of Landmark Education either does or does not state some specific language. There is no need whatsoever for Smee to inject the cynicism. The complaint I reported here is a specific case of 3RR (in both letter and spirit), and I believe this is the place to report 3RR, not ANI. Protection is fine, but I believe that blocks showing the disruptive history of behaviour are quite warranted, so that future blocks can be made more harsh. The fact that other editors reverted could and should be taken as consensus and Smee being the lone ranger. I'm clear that we disagree on this. I hope you are open to changing your mind, and I believe a track record of blocks, beyond the four that Smee already has (as Smeelgova then) would make a huge difference. Sm1969 06:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

local history glossary

There were two votes for keep and three for delete. Why does that result in a deletion? Rjm at sleepers 11:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:PORNBIO addition

Could you comment on the line you added to WP:PORNBIO in the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Notability (pornographic actors)#"do not on their own establish notability"? --AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Dragonlance modules redirects

I have made one section reqarding three recent deletion requests as I wish to raise similar issues about all three Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dragons of Faith, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dragons of Ice and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dragons of Light

  1. This is not a merge and redirect, it is simply a replace current article with a redirect. You have simply replaced the article with a redirect without having any unique data from the articles retained. (The amount of unique information lost does vary but all the article had at least some)
  2. The target for the redirect is List of Dungeons & Dragons modules which is not an appropriate target for the redirect. As the title implies this is a list and therefore by it's very nature has a limited amount of information on each item included. This means:
    1. There is no appropriate place in this article for unique encyclopedic information from the articles redirected to be included.
    2. There is no appropriate place in this article to expand the information on these topics to a point where it is appropriate to spin them off into their own article. (Even the user who proposed deletion admitted that these articles could one day have sufficient info to justify an article, his argument for deletion was "Been stubbed for eons, and no one I know on Wikipedia has the info to expand it. It's better to delete it until we can recreate it"

If redirect is the decided concensus is to merge then it should be up to someone who wanted that option as their primary choice to do this. What has actually been done is virtually equivalent to a delete, as no unique information from these articles has been retain, which was the minority opinion behind delete, merge and redirect. - Waza 23:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Close of Redirect on dragonlance module pages

I went and merged those modules into a new page: List of Dragonlance modules because I figured a close of redirect was similar to a close of merge, and the info won't fit in List of Dungeons & Dragons modules. Is that OK, or did I do something bad. It doesn't really say at Wikipedia:Deletion process#Miscellany_for deletion page. - Peregrine Fisher 02:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for the quick reply. - Peregrine Fisher 03:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppet case

Thanks a lot for your comment here. Actually the problem is that I'm not sure which code in RFCU is the appropriate one in this case. Shervink 10:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)shervink

Thanks again, I'll do as you suggested. Shervink 10:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)shervink

Commons page?

Hi - noticed an IP has "started" a page with your user name on Commons. Was it you/shall I delete it? Cheers --Herby talk thyme 12:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem - I have been known to edit and then log in! Cheers --Herby talk thyme 12:53, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thomas Begley

Thanks, but the IP editors edit was vandalism in my opinion. The fact he was non-sectarian is a sourced claim, and it was deliberately changed to sectarian. I'd have thought that fell under the sneaky vandalism criterion, but if it doesn't I'll bear it in mind for future. I presently have an RfC open for Astrotrain's disruptive activities on Irish Republicanism related articles, so dispute resolution is ongoing. One Night In Hackney303 16:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll bear that in mind for future. I'm flying to Barcelona for the weekend first thing tomorrow anyway, so a block wouldn't have been much hardship really. One Night In Hackney303 17:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Burnsvillemike

Further to your blocks of socks you might also want to consider:

[Image:Police_Officer_in_bullet_proof_vest.jpg], of Mike Satter, here.

  • Parkermax (talk • contribs) who introduced a Mike Satter reference here and edited Michael Satter.
  • 66.41.155.45 (talk • contribs) who coincidentally made Mike Satter related edits to 3 separate articles (and no other edits}. Bridgeplayer 18:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The socks are still out in force. Please see:

And some more:

I have also raised the issue at: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Burnsvillemike and the socks. Bridgeplayer 02:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Delete

Hey there, chance to use your new powers if you're willing: I accidentally created this page, while trying to create this page. Basically, I clicked on a link to create the page, and didn't notice the comma had been put inside the brackets. Is that something you can do? Best, Mackan79 23:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Mackan79 19:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Musicians Lists

How was that a delete? Four deletes to three keep. I know it's not a vote, but that can hardly be said to be consensus. JRG 06:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Personal attacks

If you have time, could you please have a look at this [16], thanks! Shervink 09:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)shervink

The socks are breeding again

Hi,sorry, but the socks have started to breed again:

hi!

The Phoenix Enforcer(talk to me) 02:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Jossi

Hi Seraphimblade, I would like to unblock Jossi, if you have no strong objection. There has been a lot of trolling on these pages in the last few days, and the person who made the report is the worst offender. I didn't look at the diffs, but I suspect that had a lot to do with any reverting. Would you object strongly if I were to undo it? SlimVirgin (talk) 22:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe only one of Jossi's 6 reverts that I listed was reverting my edit. My edit was not a troll. Only one of the reverts I listed could possibly be considered reverting a troll: that was reverting someone who voted before voting was opened, but there may have been other material reverted in the same edit, and anyway I listed 6 reverts, and there was at least one more after the 6 I listed. I do not think there was any significant trolling on the page -- I didn't see any trolling at all. I think SlimVirgin is using the word "trolling" to refer to normal editing work. The edits that Jossi reverted were all good-faith edits: mostly edits intended to improve the page by editing the poll questions, which is the whole purpose of the page at the moment, plus one overly-early voter. I oppose any unblock action.
What I actually came here to say was: Thank you, Seraphimblade! --Coppertwig 22:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Seraphimblade, I would be very, very grateful if you would keep a close eye on that individual. I am literally shaking with anger at what he's doing. He's causing chaos and I suspect enjoying every minute of it. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Will do. Coppertwig, it does appear that several people do believe your behavior there has been problematic as well. I strongly encourage you to take this under advisement. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
This is another one known for trolling and taking great delight in doing it on the policy page. Neither of these people have had anything to do with forming this policy or V or NOR, yet suddenly here they are trying to take control of the discussion. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Seraphimblade, I have received some complaints and have thought seriously about them. However, the complaints seem to me to be of the nature of people who want to continue to be the sole or main editors of a policy page trying to make me jump through hoops before making any edits while they themselves continue to make edits without jumping through those same hoops. I think there is no justification for calling certain edits "trolling"; it's just that the user disagrees with those edits -- just as much as the other editor disagrees with theirs. We need to treat all editors equally.
I've asked user SlimVirgin to tell me if I break any policies or guidelines and have been careful to try not to do so and to treat everyone civilly. User SlimVirgin has not been able to point out to me any way in which I have broken any policy or guideline. It's just that the user is on the opposite side of a content dispute with me, that's all.
If "trolling" is to be taken to mean trying hard to get responses -- that's just what these users have been asking me to do! They said I had to have wide discussion before making edits, so I've been trying to generate wide discussion. --Coppertwig 23:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I am not trying to "take control of the discussion" as SlimVirgin says. I'm trying to have a discussion in which everyone participates as equals. I've been having a hard time getting SlimVirgin to discuss with me; the user reverts my edits but does not discuss the underlying issues. No one user, or no one small group of users, should be in control of the discussion or of what the policy pages (or wording of poll questions) say. Everyone's input needs to be respected. --Coppertwig 23:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Everyone is welcome in discussions of policy, and that is exactly as it should be. However, do keep in mind that the burden of developing a strong consensus after discussion with many editors is on those who wish to change policy, not on those who wish to leave it as is. If no consensus develops, that defaults to leaving it alone, at least until someone can find another solution which does meet consensus. Crum375 also gives you good advice-when looking at policy, we want to involve as many people as possible, to make sure that the decision made involves the consensus of the community, not the consensus of a few people who happened to notice the discussion. Seraphimblade Talk to me 00:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that's exactly the principle I'm trying to enforce: that there has not been a broad enough discussion over changing the longstanding "verifiability, not truth" to "attributable ... not whether it is true", and that there were I think merge tags on WP:V for only about 8 days, not nearly long enough to get enough people involved in discussion to justify demoting the page from being policy. There aren't even merge tags on the pages now, I think. Therefore, people who should have the opportunity to know about the discussion probably do not know about it. Probably large numbers of people. I think ordinary articles have merge tags for 2 weeks usually, and policy pages should have them for much longer. People don't even seem to be taking the time to understand the basic logic that "not whether it is true" means two things (talking about material that is true but not attributable, and talking about material that is false but attributable). People aren't engaging in discussion about whether they actually agree with the second of these two things. Note that Crum375 reverted one of my edits -- at a time that other people were making edits to WP:ATT without extensive discussion, I think -- and later admitted that the user didn't actually disagree with the edit; the user just didn't think there was enough of a consensus. And that was after I'd made considerable efforts to generate discussion, and there were no objections at that time to the edit. --Coppertwig 02:03, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I've seen discussions regarding WP:ATT on the community noticeboard, the village pump, the mailing list, and effectively on every possible forum that anyone who participates in policy discussions could possibly monitor. 8 days is plenty of time for a merge tag, we don't even discuss that long on deleting an article. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:06, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

(<<<outdent) This discussion should be brought to the attention of users of pages such as WP:V, not only to the attention of people who regularly participate in policy discussions. I believe the standard for merge tags on article pages is 2 weeks; for policy pages it should be longer.

What I originally came here to say, though, is: Thank you again, Seraphimblade! I thought over your advice given above, and I've shifted my attitude and re-read at least one complaint on my talk page in a new light. It's these humbling experiences that help us mature. --Coppertwig 17:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Close it

Yes. I think we can close it. You were a big help. I WILL let you know if there are any other problems, but the article is under mediations now, vastly improved (though not perefct) and I think I can just keep an eye on it now and see what other users do to improve it. Thanks again for all of your help. futurebird 03:17, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

I would like to thank you for your support in my recent RFA. As you may or may not be aware, it passed with approximately 99% support. I ensure you that I will use the tools well, and if I ever disappoint you, I am open to recall. If you ever need anything, don't hesitate to leave me a note on my talkpage. Thanks again, ^demon[omg plz] 20:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Mad kemist's copyvios

He's well aware of the policy. He's just trying to establish an different editing pattern from Curious Gregor in the belief that it will undermine Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Curious Gregor. Curious Gregor's biographies of notable chemists are not copyvios. For example, he created Dieter Enders here from the biographical last paragraph of this press release for Max Planck Research Award for Chemistry. An above board rewrite, so to make Mad kemist look like a real contributor... Pete.Hurd 06:02, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Pete.Hurd 13:53, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Just thought I would let you know I created it from his university web page and not the page you think. - Curious GregorTALK - Synthesis for all 11:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Kim D. Peterson and 3RR

I would like to provide some context to UBeR's groundless 3RR accusation against User:KimDabelsteinPetersen.

User:UBeR is tough to figure. The great majority of his actual edits to articles are constructive. But sometimes he gets a bug and goes into attack mode. UBeR has a long history of over-the-top attacks on editors and (especially) admins with whom he disagrees -- for an incomplete sample, see here. UBeR does make positive contributions, but I am beginning to wonder whether they are outweighed by the poisonous atmosphere he is wont to create. Something needs to be done before he drives away good editors.

I'm supposed to be on Wikibreak now, so I'll shut up and go away after these remarks. But I could not in good conscience let a vexatious accusation against a model editor go without comment. Raymond Arritt 00:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


Seraphimblade, This 3RR report of Kim brings me to some confusion that I would appreciate some clarification to. It seems that the decision would have been "no action" because either the diffs for all 6 edits did not show the reverts and instead appear as edits and also because she, by splitting reverts, did not violate the 'spirit' of the 3RR with her blocks of reverts/edits. Is this correct? -- Tony of Race to the Right 17:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Blue Tie 3rr

Ive queried your assessment of my report over at WP:AN3 William M. Connolley 08:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I'd be reporting Uber too but for the protection. In fact, maybe we wouldn't need the prot it Uber and BT were blocked :-) William M. Connolley 09:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Curious_Gregor

I indef blocked Mad Kemist as an obvious sock used for vote fraud. I haven't blocked Gregor so feel free to do what you will with him. IrishGuy talk 19:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Recent request for AMA assistance

Hello:

Yes, I would appreciate it if you could render some help in my case. Thank you. -- Jalabi99 19:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

User:mrholybrain

Hello. I have filed a report of a 3RR violation on the administrators' noticeboard yesterday and have not yet had a response. I also noticed that you have resolved several cases which were made some time after mine. I was wondering if there is any reason why mine has not been taken up. Thank you. 163.167.129.124 12:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou. Although with reference to the comment posted on my talk page, I hope I have managed to keep this civil! 163.167.129.124 12:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

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Suspected SockPuppetry

How was the matter decided? Arcayne 16:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I asked because the user has been somewhat disruptive on the Nancy Reagan article, and I just reported him for 3RR. Essentially, he's trying to add unsources, non-reliable material to a living person's article. I and others have been reverting the edits, as per BLP. Talk on the Discussion page has been ignored. Here's a brief history of the article's edits, showing the 3RR. Feel free to come and visit. We'll have tea and biscuits a-waiting. :) Arcayne 17:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the look. :) Arcayne 17:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

El_chulito

You have got to be kidding with this right? How on earth can you state that this editors actions is not likely to be sockpuppetry - I have waited over two weeks for some action to be taken and then you just brush it aside - this type of lazy behaviour is driving away good editors and leaving puppeters carte blanche to continue their abuse. This editor and his socks have been abusing the AfD process - who on earth can you say after looking at this edit "history" that this guy is not a sock - this AfD was never listed properly and was only ever seen by people that would follow other editors edit history - oh I cant be bothered explaining it anymore - this a joke!

Sometime I just feel like jacking wiki in when I come across the likes of this! Can you not look at this again because it is bloody driving me crazy. two weeks and you just sweep it under the carpet - well done!--SameBatTime 15:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

"but none are conclusive" - he made an edit when he forgot that he wasnt signed in and this left his IP, he then immediately signed over it with his new user name - the IP trace that he left was identical as previous IP that he used under El Chuilto! what more do you need! to say I am furious would be a massive understatement!--SameBatTime 16:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Here's your "but none are conclusive"

enough said!--SameBatTime 22:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Unsure

I received this message, coming from this user (identified through the history). As you can see, the user has had some issues (I responded to the user page; for some reason, I was unable to respond to thir talk page). The user blanked my page here, but User:Leebo, a new admin, undid it.
While I am not typically a paranoid soul, I do find it more than a bit coincidental that I encounter the same sorts of activity (lack of signed posts in some odd and pointless attempt to try and conceal the identity) from this user, who I reported for 3RR in the Nancy Reagan article. Could they be the same person? Looking at the times the changes were made to my User Talk page and messages left, did the User's block expire before or after the messages were left? Not that it would really matter, as this appears to be yet another sockpuppet of the same user.
I would like to get some experienced advice on this... Arcayne 17:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Decision on Williams Record

Can you give me some insight on your decision to merge and redirect Williams Record? Also, what are the rules on recreating this at some point? The Williams College page is getting way to big. I may help out to break it up. Splitting out the Record page would be one of the first things that I would do as a part of that. David.Kane 08:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:AIV

Hi Seraph. You just removed 65.19.77.116 (talk • contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • RBLs • block user • block log) from AIV, because he asked to be blocked. However, the user did vandalize after last warning just recently, and therefore (as I understand) should be blocked. Is there a reason why you removed him that I don't know of, or did you not notice that he had vandalized after last warning? Anyways, you have more experience with these things, so you lead, I follow. Thanks! · AO Talk 12:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay then. Thanks for clearing that up. · AO Talk 12:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

please review

hi seraphim

please review your recent block of me. i don't think i violated 3rr or blp (more on my talk page)

thanks 71.112.7.212 05:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

i don't agree with you about ATT. if you could point out the particular section maybe we could come to an understanding.
  • its not original research
  • its a secondary source
  • it isn't self-published
  • it does have editorial oversight
  • the book has footnotes and has been around so long it is no longer exceptional. even the new york times called it encyclopedic.
also what about the 3rr? did you review this?
71.112.7.212 16:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
well we might need an rfc about the book. i think it is ok because of read ATT and i don't see what part it violates. ATT talks all about editorial oversight, which this book had. i guess you are implying that newspapers and magazines have more editorial oversight than i book; i don't know if this is true, from a can-they-sue-us point of view it certainly isn't logical. a publisher of a book can be sued just as easily as a newspaper publisher. anyway, this subtlety isn't mentioned in ATT so i don't see how you can block me for it. if there's something in ATT that says books aren't considered reliable sources i might understand.
the thing about this book is that, from what i've read, it is true. it's not a conspiracy theory, it's just unusual that someone would put together a book about it. you have to find someone with a lot of indiscretions that the public might be interested in. if someone wrote a book about john mccain's affairs it wouldn't sell all that many copies.
also, sorry to keep bugging you about this, but could you please look into the specifics of the 3rr? i don't think i broke the 3rr rule; take a look at the diffs. i was incorrectly blocked by "nihonjoe" for "vandalism" earlier and now this block makes me look like someone who is blocked frequently. 71.112.7.212 16:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

ok, we're making progress. since i didn't break 3rr, is there a way to get this removed from my record? and could you caution "arcayne" about filing false report? they really disrupt wikipedia. about the blp, no one has shown my how adding info about nancy reagan from a published biography violates BLP. nancy reagan's supporters surely don't like it, but that doesn't make it a violation of BLP. george bush's supporters don't like people mentioning all his indiscretinos but they show up. also, i am not this "rbaish" user, and i think you'll see there was no evidence for it. rbaish is into small-scale vandalism and the confederate flag, neither are my style. if you wanted to run a test you could block him and i could show you i could still edit freely. 71.112.7.212 01:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

there was no 3rr, so how is blocking with summary that says there was a 3rr valid? here's what you could do, block me for 5 mins, then quickly unblock saying that you were incorrect. then we can put this all behind us. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.112.7.212 (talk) 03:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

can you do the miniblock/unblock i described above (just say "previous two blocks incorrect")? people rarely look deeply into things, they just click on "block log" and assume every block is correct. its called the just-world phenomenon.

cmon, seriph. you blocked me incorrectly. i don't know if you just didn't click on the diffs or what, but i don't want this to remain in my block log without a notation, and i think the editor that placed the report should be warned. his misleading 3rr report that tricked you into blocking me, triggering this whole dialogue. the blp portion is also in the wrong, my citations were excellent and "encyclopedic". the block and unblock will take you all of 15 seconds, what would be wrong with that?

a user is now taunting me for "breaking 3rr". you, he, and i know it isnt true, but if you made a notation in my block log the rest of the world will know it too. i don't think ths is an unreasonable request. you goofed up, no big deal. if you just leave a note saying so in the block log you'll undo the damage.

Wikipedia:Association of Members' Advocates/Requests/March 2007/Jalabi99

The correct forum for complaints about the closure of a deletion debate is WP:DRV. Per the talk page I resent the personalisation of a routine administrative issue, and request closure of the "case". Thank you for your time. --kingboyk 13:47, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you think I should send him a copy of the deleted text? Ordinarily I am happy to do this, even where I wasn't the deleting admin; in this case I doubted the usefulness of the article (it's just a list) and suspected it would merely be used to recreate. (Of course I didn't say that due to WP:AGF, but that was my thought process). --kingboyk 13:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Association of members' advocates

No problem. If it isn't inactive then the proposal to delete was ill-conceived. --Tony Sidaway 17:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I hope you saw my comments at MFD about this not being planned or retaliatory. I didn't plan this upheaval (and if I was capable of organising such uprisings I'd probably have something better to do than spend my time here :)). No hard feelings I hope. --kingboyk 17:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Around the Rings Update

Hi, the last notice I had from you was a question asking if I'd worked on the posting for Around the Rings. I asked you where to find it and then didn't get a response. Did my note get lost in the shuffle? I still don't see it posted so could you tell me what I should do? --Janicelmcdonald 01:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Have a look and see if that works for you. --Janicelmcdonald
I beg your patience because I'm totally confused. This is my my first attempt at this and obviusly I haven't mastered all of the nuances. So if what I edited was archieved, where do I go to rewrite? And what would have been the indicator that it was an archieved article? Your link was to a temp file for me and that was all that was there. And was what I wrote more in line? If so, how do I post, or would you be the one to post it? --Janicelmcdonald
Could you please have a look at what is now in my temp file User:Janicelmcdonald/temp and tell me if we could go to the next step? --Janicelmcdonald

hullo

In response to your statement on 3rr page, Yes I saw and filed ssp. Even despite YLH there is still 3rr violation question (anonymous [17]and T-Leigh are self-admittedly the same person as established by their posts on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Gandhi's_views_on_race ). Please refer to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Teabing-Leigh for further corroboration. I am new so don't know much abt doing these things and would be happy if you could guide me. Kjartan8 08:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for attending to this matter. Kjartan8 08:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Teabing-Leigh has made further reverts as teabing-leigh, clearly violating 3rr as this one handle [18] (that's four reverts involved in removing my tags) Kjartan8 10:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

EN Mediation

Thanks for getting this started. I would just like to request that since next week is Holy Week, and the Philippines traditionally shuts down during this entire time, can we please postpone the start of the official mediation action until the week of April 9? Thelma BowlenTalk 09:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

3rr*2

I'm leaving radiant/nescott to you. Can I ask you to look at my report of UBeR, please? William M. Connolley 13:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I think given William M. Connolley's response to me here we know how this would have turned out if you hadn't intervened. This isn't Radiant! first 3RR vio Seraphimblade. He got away with it before on this same "technicality" logic. (→Netscott) 13:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
That may be. I am sorry if you take offense, but I do believe a block there would've been punitive rather than preventative, especially given that a 3O was sought before the report was made. Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of the 3O... the question is did he wait for the thrid opinion or not? Obviously he didn't... there is prevention in blocking. The user learns to not edit in such a manner and thus such editing is prevented in the future. I'm not taking offense but frankly this strikes of a two tiered admin/non-admin hierarchy... you've got to admit that save for the fact that Radiant!'s an admin he'd be blocked right now, no? (→Netscott) 13:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Of course not! The same rules apply to anyone, admin or no, and I've certainly declined to take action on very technical violations with non-admins as well. (And blocked one admin, when the intent to revert-war was very clear.) If there wasn't some amount of judgment involved, we could put 3RRBot up for RfA. But non-admins and users receive the same. Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Well please do know that this is not a fair excercise per the 3RR policy. It is true that further reverting will not occur but it is plainly obvious that this is due to an editor gaming the system. (→Netscott) 13:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
You know I can't say that I blame you for your action (or lack thereof rather), all things considered. (→Netscott) 14:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

In case you were wondering here are the other vios (one I actually defended him on) 3RR vio 2, 3RR vio 1. (→Netscott) 14:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

To tell you the truth, I don't even remember who all !voted in my RfA, and I really don't appreciate your implication there. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Come on Seraphimblade, you can't blame me... this is third Vio that he's skipping out on. Where is the equality? (→Netscott) 14:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I see a real problem here. Where I didn't violate 3RR at all, you saw fit to block me for it anyway. This fellow violated 3RR, but you say that he only "technically" violated it and therefore shouldn't be blocked. How is that fair?

Mistaken block?

You recently blocked Miaers (talk • contribs) for a 3RR violation. However, when I investigated, it looked to me like this was a second block for an offence he was already blocked for. It seems that the user has made no edits since initially blocked. He's requesting a block review. Could you check it out and consider unblocking? Thanks. --Yamla 16:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the policy is, but PaddyM reported Miaers for breaking 3RR rule after the incident happened on the 22nd. As soon as Miaers came off of block, the immediately reported PaddyM for the very same edit war. I'm wondering that if PaddyM needed to be blocked for 24 hours, it should have been when the incident took place. Madmaxmarchhare 17:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

User:71.112.7.212

This User has removed some comments from your Talk page left by other editors. Despite being told repeatedly that they are not allowed to do so, they continue to do so. They have also removed repeated warnings on their page, engaged in edit warring on other pages (in my case, Afro), is contentious, and shows no ability for "growth" as a Wikipedian (especially since they just removed another editors comment on your Talk page, which is not allowed). That's my experience - just letting you know. --David Shankbone 16:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Edits by blocked user Yahya01

You blocked Yahya01 (talk • contribs) for 24 hours, but he is evading his block via anonymous reverts such as this. I request you to look into this. Thanks. --Ragib 21:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Yahya01

Hi - just wanted to let you know that I've extended user:Yahya01's block to 96 hours, taking into account his multiple anti-Sunni personal attacks against editors and in general. Rama's arrow 22:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you again, Seraphimblade

Thank you for letting me know about the AN/I report a couple of days ago. Also I've been meaning to thank you for your page protection ruling at Attribution/Poll a few days ago when I put in a 3RR report. That ruling taught me some things about the difference between normal wikiediting and editwarring, and had a calming effect on me. Re the AN/I report: I seem to have missed your comment the first time I read it. When I re-read it I had a hard time believing that the timestamp on your signature came before mine. Apparently I saw yours as just a contributory comment and not a definitive answer. --Coppertwig 00:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Cities

I saw your name listed under Wikiprojects Cities and I was wondering if you could help out the Chambersburg, Pennsylvania article. Thanks, Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť(Talk) (Contributions) 00:31, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk: Corey Clark

Your continued assistance would be appreciated. :-) Nightscream 05:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Could you give your thoughts on the specific points I mentioned in my last post? No one, including Liaishard, seems to want to address them. Thanks. Nightscream 16:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Your single sentence ATT

I would add "from a reliable published source". Otherwise it's great. ;^) Crum375 05:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

You're absolutely correct, but I think that falls under "verifiable"-if Stephen Hawking tells me something about quantum physics, the source is about as reliable as you get, but unless he's published that somewhere that other people can go look at, it's not verifiable. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I agree that 'verifiable' would normally imply that the source had been published, but there are some exceptions. For example, we had a case where an editor insisted that affidavit letters were sent to the patent office and were kept in its files. In theory, the editor said, any reader can send $25 to the PTO and get a copy to 'verify' the content of the letters. We insisted that this is too much hardship on a reader - just getting a book from the library (assuming it's not online) should be enough effort, but writing to the PTO and sending them money to get copies of letters (obviously primary sources) would be unacceptable. We then pointed to the language of 'published sources' and claimed that things need to be published, not just kept in a file cabinet in some government office. You would say that all of this is in 'verifiability', perhaps, but I think 'published' adds a level of accessibility to the source, above and beyond mere 'verifiability'. Crum375 06:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Hrm. That is true, although I'd generally figure patent applications to be primary. They could be used to support a general claim that a patent has been filed or issued on something, but I really don't think for much more than that. My main objection to bringing "accessibility" into it is that some editors then tend to insist that all sources must be online and immediately available. I certainly use Proquest and the like extensively for research, because well, I happen to have access to them. Most people can get hold of that type of thing through a public library, though, as is the case with most books and the like. (Even if a given library doesn't have a book, anymore most of them will do interlibrary loans.) But I've had people object that such information is "unverifiable" since they personally, right then can't verify it. (Of course, they get shot down quickly on third opinion anyway, but it still does seem to be a point of some confusion.) Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
In a typical patent application there is the actual issued patent, plus the background material. The issue here is not these items, but additional affidavit letters which are just kept on file and retained for the record (e.g. if there are subsequent lawsuits). The patent itself is generally available online. As far as hardcopy vs. online issue, clearly many of our sources are hardcopy and there has to be a criterion for deciding accessibility - e.g. some rare book of which only a single copy is available in one location may be problematic, and we may then declare it 'too primary' to be used directly unless it is quoted elsewhere in a secondary source. Still I think the word 'published' adds a lot - it gives us teeth to reject sources that are not widely copied and available in many places, even in cases where the few or single copies are held by very reliable parties (e.g. government agencies). Crum375 07:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I certainly agree, and it wouldn't hurt to use "published" at all-I would tend to agree things must be to some degree verifiable in practice, not just in theory. I think exactly how much so is a tradeoff that'd probably have to be evaluated on a case by case basis. Normally, one would think that an incredibly valuable and irreplaceable source will have been the subject of scholarly research and reports anyway, and those reports are probably much more accessible than the thing itself. Also, old or rare books and the like (with some exceptions) also tend to be PD, and available on Project Gutenburg, Wikisource, etc. (Of course, that gets back to the "why is copyright longer than five years necessary" question, but that's a whole different subject...). Seraphimblade Talk to me 11:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I agree in the case of rare and important books, some secondary source would have picked them up at some point, but not always. I think using the word 'published' gets us to a better 'square one', from which we can argue about individual exceptions. In our PTO case, the proponent argued that by having the affidavits filed with a public agency and effectively available for a fee to anyone, that is effectively being 'published', which we disputed. So even having the word there is no panacea, as one could still argue about its exact meaning, but it's a better starting point than just plain 'verifiable'. Crum375 22:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Of course, the discussion here is largely academic, unless you really were thinking of merging everything into a single sentence. (If you think ATT raised hell...:P ) I think "published" would make a clearer starting point though. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, for sure. It's just that I liked so much your excellent distillation of a complex set of policies, that so many people misunderstand, into a single short sentence, that I felt it would be even better with one additional word. ;^) Crum375 23:40, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Just Letting You Know

The block you gave....exceded it's time but just under 2 hours. Do I get a credit or something? - SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 22:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, I put another unblock request up and AuburnPilot seen that one and let the block up. Now....back to the world of radio and TV stations. Odd note: I don't even watch Robot Chicken that much! - SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 23:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

april fools

Love your comments on my nomination of Jimbo ;) AQu01rius (User • Talk) 05:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

help out

hey seraphimblade

some editors are making personal attacks toward me (calling me a troll and so on). i removed them but they keep re-inserting them. i don't want to get into an edit war over it but i don't think these edits should remain. maybe you could speak to them? User:DavidShankBone is the most uncivil. his last 5 edits have all been personal attacks or re-inserts of personal attacks.

thanks 71.112.7.212 05:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

It's interesting an anonymous User who has made not one constructive edit, has upset every person she has come in contact with, is a suspected sock puppet, removes edits from User Talk and Discussion pages, should be looking for assistance in her endeavors...will wonders never cease...--David Shankbone 06:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

seraph, take a look at what i have done here. i have not broken a SINGLE wikipedia policy, not 3rr, not vandalism, not civility, not personal attacks, not original research, not verifiability, none of them. but look what i've received:

  • one user added 12 vandalism warnings to my page, while i committed none
  • one admin blocked me for vandalism, while i committed none
  • i removed the vandalism warnings, they were reinserted by multiple editors.

i realize this sounds far-fetched, but you can see none of my contribs are vandalism.

  • you blocked me for 3rr, while i committed none, probably because of a false report. an easy mistake to make, but why isn't the editor who submitted the false report cautioned?
  • you blocked me for BLP, but i inserted fully attributed information.
  • i have been called a troll, an idiot, a loon, a sockpuppet, many times and not responded with similar nastiness
  • i am NOT a troll. i make edits that i believe improve wikipedia
  • i am NOT a sockpuppet. User:Rbaish uses a confederate flag as his symbol; really not my style
  • a loon and an idiot? well who knows, maybe i am a loon or an idiot ;)
  • i removed messages calling me a troll from my talk page, and people have re-inserted them
  • i removed messages calling me a troll from article talk pages, and people have re-inserted them.
  • the above editor has stated he plans on monitoring me and reverting whatever i do without discussion, and that the first time i make "one wrong move" i'll be blocked.

how has anything i've done amounted to this? let's see what i have done:

  • i removed a photo from the "afro" page that is not an afro. one editor took this photo himself so i guess he might have been miffed that his photo was removed, but its just not an afro (he later admitted that it is "afro curls").
  • i removed "academy award winning" and "academy award nominated" from the introductions of a handful or articles. i believe these inflate the importance of the academy awards, amountint to a form of advertising. it is fine with me if these are in the body of the article but these were in the intros.
  • i added information about a well-known, critical biography of nancy reagan to her article.

when this information was removed, i re-inserted it. why? because i believe it all improves wikipedia. i tried to discuss many of these changes, but there has been either no response [19] or uncivil personal attacks [20]

Admin help with spammer

IP address 209.59.33.100 does nothing but link spam. The user has been warned before but under a different IP address. If you look at the history of the Lisa Ann Taylor page then you will see another IP address that spammed the page with the same link and spammed the same pattern of pages. Chicken Wing 12:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/VandalBot

Please userfy this so it can be deleted. Funny, yes, but we have to remember we're an encyclopedia. —METS501 (talk) 07:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Done as requested. Still, let's have a bit of a laugh every so often, if it blows off a bit of steam and stays out of mainspace. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks :-) —METS501 (talk) 07:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I gave you a little time for it, because it wasn't really harmful, but then a few hours was enough. —METS501 (talk) 14:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. Seraphimblade Talk to me 18:00, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

William Mauco

You've blocked William Mauco indefinitely for incivility. However, I have reasons to believe that someone has began a defamation campaign of Mauco in his absence. See: WMauco, Mauco William (there were 2 established socks, not 9), as well as three IP in the last several hours (on his talk page). If the reason of your permanent blocking of him were actions of those users, could you somehow check if they really are the same person - Mauco? --Illythr 12:23, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I just got email from him in which he pointed out an impersonation of myself on ANI (removed here), and claimed he was blocked for edits by 84.22.2.25 (talk • contribs), 200.238.102.162 (talk • contribs), 123.199.22.168 (talk • contribs) impersonating him, not for his own actions. I don't have time to investigate this ab initio as he requests; could I get an executive summary of the edits you blocked him for? —Cryptic 13:04, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I would like to second the comments of Illythr and alert you to some thoughts I just posted on the Administrator's noticeboard regarding the alleged sock puppetry of William Mauco. Thanks for your careful consideration of the evidence. Best wishes, jamason 16:58, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Seraphimblade, WMauco (talk • contribs), Mauco William (talk • contribs), 200.49.177.20 (talk • contribs). etc. are in fact sockpuppets of the banned user Bonaparte, not William Mauco. I am very certain about this. Khoikhoi 18:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Khoikhoi 18:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate tone of your message

I am very concerned about the tone of this message you posted to WP:ANI. No matter whether the block of a user is justified or not, supplying it with such an inappropriately styled messages unnecessarily injures the user. If one has sinned, the punishment should be a proper one. A block for sockpuppetry is the proper punishment. Administrator speaking to a user in the tone of a king speaking to his subjects making jokes about the punishment and treating the user with disrespect is plain wrong no matter what the user in question did. One of the functions of the body of Wikipedia administrators is policing the Wikipedia. Police is expected to act professionally and with the minimum courtesy towards the citizens, even towards the criminals. In the future, please do not leave the comments in this tone. Thank you. --Irpen 22:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Your proposal to replace AMA

I think it's a good start, and wish you luck with it. Thanks for your efforts. --kingboyk 12:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Question=

Is there anything that can be done about someone who has been twice on the verge of a 3RR violation and has been asked repeatedly to stop his arguementive attitude and wish to start an arguement and his reverts and leave? You help would be appericated - SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 19:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

A request of CheckUser was deleted by his friend Admin

A request of CheckUser regarding him and Pernambuco was deleted by Khoikhoi in BAD FAITH (an admin friend with a meat and sockpuppet master Mauco):

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Pernambuco/Polaron/William_Mauco/MarkStreet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Pernambuco/Polaron/William_Mauco/MarkStreet

Still, Mauco was a sockpuppeter that was found by Dcmevit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.160.43.14 (talk) 18:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

90.240.150.96

Not content with submitting this baseless 3RR report against me, 90.240.150.96 also found the time to leave this equally ridiculous accusation of vandalism on my talk page. Should I simply delete the notice? I would appreciate your advice as an administrator. Kanaye 23:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Kanaye 23:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Socks

No problem, there's a whole load of similarities I could find if I had the time but it doesn't really achieve much as if the account did start getting used again a new checkuser would be possible anyway. Thanks. One Night In Hackney303 00:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh, one thing you might be able to help me with, or possibly point me in the right direction. A couple of weeks ago the possibility of resurrecting the Patrick Kelly article was raised as there's possibility for expansion. It was merged per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Kelly where three of the four delete !votes were from the same editor and socks, but according to this DRV log merges are an editorial decision anyway, so it wouldn't be necessary to take it to DRV to recreate the article. However the Patrick Kelly page has now been rightly changed to a disambiguation page, and I know there will be GFDL problems if I just copy and paste the old article into a new page. Would it be possible for you to do a history merge to say Patrick Kelly (Irish republican) please? One Night In Hackney303 00:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Have done, thanks for the help. One Night In Hackney303 01:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

User:Flatts and his "kick your butt" threats

Much of Flatts's edits are based on what SpongeBob SquarePants character Flatts Flounder said in the episode "The Bully." Squirepants101 02:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Admin status

I remember your try in December for Admin status --for not so nice reasons (i.e. guilty feelings about an edit [21] ) Any case, nice to see that you've become an admin. :) Nephron  T|C 02:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Possible confusion

Hi, I noticed your "oppose" edit here that seems to say that I blocked you at some time in the past. Possibly I misunderstood what you were saying. Either that, or you have confused me with someone else, since I am not an administrator. FNMF 10:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Right. My mistake. Feel free to delete these two messages from your talk page. FNMF 10:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Places with City status in Scotland

The fourth revert by User:Kanaye was 24 hours and 24 minutes after the first. User:90.240.150.96 reverted two of these edits and I reverted another two, so why are both User:Kanaye and User:90.240.150.96 warned, rather than just User:Kanaye? 163.167.129.124 11:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Because all of you are involved in an edit war, and edit wars never solve anything. I've seen hundreds of them, and not once did they solve an issue. Dispute resolution, discussion, that solves problems. 3RR doesn't mean "edit-warring is an acceptable tactic as long as it's less than 3 times a day", and in the end, it's bad for everyone involved. Edit warring is time wasted on inflaming the dispute that could be spent solving it! (By the way, why don't you register an account? You're obviously interested in editing and know the place pretty well, I'm responding here since IPs are changeable sometimes. An account hides your IP too.) Seraphimblade Talk to me 11:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to reply. Please also see the talk page and history at Template:Scottish_Cities. User:Kanaye has been involved in a long-standing edit war over this. I have not. The format of this template must however be consistent with Template:UK_cities, which appears at the foot of all articles for UK cities. Cheers anyway, 163.167.129.124 11:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

"[A]ny bare votes probably won't be counted much anyway"

Others involved seem to think the vote-count is more significant. PS: Sorry for the sarky tone earlier; I was in need of WP:TEA. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 11:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Assist

Advertise it a lot, I guess. WP:GO, WP:VP, WP:CENT. Also, it may help to stick it in the help desk header, or the village pump header, or {{welcome}}. >Radiant< 12:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Editor assistance

Thanks for clarifying; it wasn't totally clear whether the project was active or not. Since the AMA survived its MfD, is this still meant to be a replacement for the AMA, or a co-existing alternative? And is there any prohibition against me being a member of both organisations concurrently? Walton Vivat Regina! 16:34, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Following up on our conversation earlier, I designed a new userbox for the project, as there didn't seem to be one. It's at Template:User Editor Assistance. Walton Vivat Regina! 17:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
EA This user helps out with the editor assistance program.


Should we also create a "Category:Editor Assistance Wikipedians", like there is for other Wikipedia projects? It might also be helpful to transclude the members' list on to the main project page. Walton Vivat Regina! 19:14, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


Thanks

I'd like to thank you for your moral support at the most recent RfAr regarding Billy Ego's fascism-related userspace content. Your comment was much appreciated. Sandstein 19:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

AMA case

This one was filed a while ago, and JzG weighed in with some observations based on what had happened and the editor seems reasonably happy and hasn't edited since. I've written a rebuttal on the talk page pointing out what a wholly incorrect version of events it is. I had the Robert I. Coulter page undeleted for the purposes of this which could do with deleting again really, is there any chance of you having a quick look at the case and seeing what needs doing if anything? Thanks. One Night In Hackney303 19:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Not sure really, I thought it might be slightly presumptious to recommend closing a case I'm involved it. If you're happy with my version of events you could delete the re-created page, as it doesn't really want to be hanging around indefintely. 20:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
The Robert I. Coulter was specifically undeleted for the AMA case, if you check the history you can see the older versions of the article. Without that article being undeleted I couldn't show that the politician was in fact there first, as this diff shows. If you're happy that's an accurate version of events that article can be deleted again now. One Night In Hackney303 20:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not really sure Guy was involved, except to the extent that he knew about the situation having moved the article back in March and deleted the redirects. I asked him to undelete the article for the AMA case, and having some knowledge of organ makers and suchlike he decided to post some comments. He's quite happy for the article to be deleted again as this diff shows, I just thought it best to see if anything should be done regarding the case, and at least make sure an AMA member had seen the actual version of what happened. Thanks. One Night In Hackney303 23:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Userspace

Hi, you mentioned here [22] that userspace edits are extempt from 3RR and the users are allowed to remove comments from their own talkpages. I have no connection to this particular case but since an editor removed my comments from his talkpage I was wondering what the policies/guidelines are on this. Any link to official rules would be much appreciated (I tried googling but didn't find anything specific). Thank you Mackan 19:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

ProhibitOnions

I have undone your 3RR block of ProhibitOnions, as he neither had 3 reverts nor was edit warring. He was in a dispute, proposed a compromise wording, then reverted some edits mostly unrelated to the dispute. I don't get why it helps to block him in this case when a warning would have probably had a better effect. Kusma (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, should probably have consulted you first; I thought you were away but I forgot that I'm two hours away from UTC now that we're back in daylight saving and so I should have not taken the shortcut... anyway, back to the count: the first "revert" was not a reversion to PO's version, but apparently he noticed something he thought was wrong and changed it. The second "revert" is immediately followed up by a compromise wording that reintroduces the contentious term. Reverts three and four are indeed simple reverts. Which leaves us with two reverts. Together with talk page discussion happening that doesn't look like a simple edit war that needs to be stopped by a block to me. Kusma (talk) 21:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser case closed

Hi, your request for checkuser was completed. You can find it in the archives for 7 days at Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/IP_check/Archive#Ararat_arev. -- lucasbfr talk 22:42, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking into this by the way (above), I think that the situation at both Turkey and Armenia is dire, particularly for the former - it is the third time the article had to be fully protected in ten days. I have four sources (trivial stuff like latest economic figures) and two images that I will use to update Turkey, but every single time I login to Wikipedia, there seems to be a horrible revert-war going on if the article is not full protected. Do you have any idea on what can be done? Cheers! Baristarim 01:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I just checked checkuser, if it returns I will let you know. Sorry for taking your time.. Baristarim 01:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! Baristarim 01:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I have no idea how he did it, but he is already back at Armenia with the same old!! At the least maybe a semi-protect would be a good idea since he seems to be using IPs (for the moment).. His perseverance is amazing. As for the earlier AN/I post, no problems - many users had had enough and felt that something had to be done because work was seriously being disrupted - the least being the time wasted on reverts.. cheers! Baristarim 02:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

RFCN closing

Thanks for stepping up and taking care of it - I know it wasn't easy. RJASE1 Talk 01:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeh from me too, no-one else was prepared to do it Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 07:17, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Your recent actions at RFCN

Hi! I saw that you recently closed Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User names/Fenian Swine. You didn't seem to mention how you arrived at your decision and I feel one is warranted given the lengthy discussion that took place. What factors did you take into account, which comments did you disregard, how did you apply the username policy, and are you aware of the term and its meaning? gaillimhConas tá tú? 02:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Also, I noticed that you took only six minutes between edits when you closed this discussion. Did it only take you six minutes to read through the entire discussion, it's talk page, and then determine the proper course of action? gaillimhConas tá tú? 02:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Please explain why you feel as though there's no consensus on the page itself. It's quite clear that the username violates Wikipedia policy, and since you're a new admin, it's expected that you'll make early mistakes. I just wish you didn't make this one, hehe. Cheers and good luck with your new buttons! gaillimhConas tá tú? 02:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Hehe, no, the username is most definitely a slur. I provided not only a detailed description, but also external references to support this notion. In fact, one only needs to check out Fenian and use one's own commonsense regarding the word "swine" to realise this, mate gaillimhConas tá tú? 02:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
        • Wow. That's all. Just wow.TortureIsWrong 03:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Measuring consensus

May I ask how you measured consensus in the "Fenian Swine" case?

From my point of view, the "disallow" position held up the words Fenian and Swine to WP:USERNAME#Slurs and found them in clear violation of policy, while the "allow" position used non-policy arguments (such as a good editing history means we should allow the username). As I understand "consensus" on Wikipedia, policy arguments outweigh non-policy arguments, and "vote count" is irrelevant. So I simply do not understand a "no consensus" closing here. Please, lead me through the reasoning here. Thank you. -- Ben TALK/HIST 02:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind reply on my talk page. -- Ben TALK/HIST 02:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Chambersburg

Sorry about the delay in reply. I was at a hotel and it used a proxy which was blocked on Wikipedia to access the internet. It wasn't worth it to as for a auto-unblocked because I was only there a few days. Anyways, I was wondering if you could help pull the article up to the WP:CITY standard for a city. I would like to get the article to a FA rating eventually, but for now GA will work. Thank you! Wǐkǐɧérṃǐť(Talk) (Contributions) 03:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Ararat arev

I heard he was a programmer or something, but we'll have to see. BTW, you're aware that he hacks into old accounts because their passwords are the same as the usernames, right? See [23]:

You got it now?/??? Its me , go check 100 the password is 100

go check k9 its k9 etc etc

Go check those have the same passwords for those in the Armenia edit history

Khoikhoi 03:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I also heard he's a regular contributor to Stormfront, but someone will have to verify that one. Khoikhoi 03:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Check your email. :-) Khoikhoi 03:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks by the way, your help is appreciated. Baristarim 05:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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Deletion of Adult_Porn_Link_Lists.html

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please note that the article Adult_Porn_Link_Lists.html brings together, and adds to, concepts touched upon in many articles related to the on-line pornography world, such as: Internet_pornography.html, Free_Hosted_Galleries.html, Pay_per_click.html, Affiliate_networks.html, Affiliate_marketing.html, and many others. While, like many other articles, it does need work to fit Wikipedia criteria, it provides crucial information.

IIRC, I had even done a Wikipedia Search for 'link list' in the hope of finding an article which touched upon this aspect, but found no related articles! This was done during its Proposed Deletion period, IIRC.

I agree that it is essentially a link exchange. However, the article covers a particular manifestation of the larger concept. An analogy would be deletion of 'Method Acting' because it falls under 'Acting.'

Initially, I thought of suggesting that the title remain as a link to Link_Exchange.html. However, the original article provides much more information for its field than does the conceptual article. So I would suggest that the deletion be reverted.

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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Billy Ego-Sandstein

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Billy Ego-Sandstein. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Billy Ego-Sandstein/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Billy Ego-Sandstein/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 12:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Help needed Re: User:Hamsacharya dan reported by User:Watchtower Sentinel

Greetings Seraphimblade! Our 3RR/Edit Warring complaint is already in its second day pending and that is why I felt compelled to respectfully solicit your attention. Please take a look at it. No need to reply. Feel free to delete this message after you have read it. Thank you in advance. - Sentinel 14:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

User RfC on an editor you blocked

There is currently a user RfC going on for User:Martinphi, at which he has disputed the 3RR block he was given and insisted that his policy violations were justified and that he has done nothing wrong (these comments are on the RfC talk page). Since you were the blocking admin, I thought you should know and might want to respond to his comments. Thanks. Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Martinphi --Minderbinder 14:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

WP:ASSIST

Concerning the earlier discussion on the talkpage, are we going to have a formal position of co-ordinator for WP:ASSIST? IMHO it might be better to have one or two clerks, who will deal with the backlog of requests and (where necessary) assign them to an assistant, and will serve as a point of contact for the organisation. "Clerk" sounds less status-driven than "co-ordinator" and is less likely to put people off. Just an idea. Btw I think you deserve this... Walton Vivat Regina! 15:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

The Original Barnstar
To Seraphimblade, for hard work in getting the Wikipedia:Editor assistance project off the ground. Walton Vivat Regina! 15:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Your work at WP:RFCN

The Barnstar of Valour on Making a Difficult Decision
For closing a very contentious WP:RFCN ruling. Well done! - Alison☺ 18:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I didn't necessarily agree with your conclusions, but your handling of it was awesome. Well done :) - Alison☺ 18:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Re-block

Hi! Since you've been dealing with the sockpuppet stuff lately, one of the socks of Neemaz is back to vandalizing again. Or at least, the one edit since the last block is the same vandalism that was being done before. Any chance something more long-term can be done, so it doesn't keep popping up every few days? Thanks, Bbik 05:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Will do, already ran through the other IPs, seems they've at least been quite since the early spats. -Bbik 05:41, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: User:Fenian Swine

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I am sorry to say that you and Ryan Postlethwaite are very naive re the above user and his cadre of pro-PIRA supporters and/or former volunteers. Do you think he is going to change his username? Do you think they care what anyone else thinks or feels? It is absurd that no consensus could be reached for at least the second time. Don't you realize that they act in concert??!!

For example, see below from User:Fenian Swine's talk page:

  • While the recent RFCN discussion to require you to change your username reached no consensus, I encourage you to do so in any case. Your username may inhibit your ability to work with some other editors. If you wish to keep the contributions and userpages from this account, you can easily do so by filing a request at WP:CHU. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Congratulations! One Night In Hackney303 11:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I will add my congrats a chara! --Vintagekits 13:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

They canvass each other to vote on matters important to them; they share info. on their Noticeboard and Project pages, etc. Those who genuinely act in good faith are pitifully disorganized. If Wikipedia had not been corrupted already someone like User:Vintagekits would have been blocked indefinitely by now. You blokced me for 48 hours for using sockpuppets (and I thank you for not making it a longer block as you might have done). I know I did something unacceptable, but I was driven to it because I am tired of being victimized by this gang who put their pro-IRA themes, topics, agendas, etc. and get Wikipedian validation. On User:Fenian Swine's discussion page he references Trinity College, Dublin and "Huns", a pejorative word for Protestants; why isn't he blocked for this hatemongering?

There is only relentless refusal to abide by the rules everyone else follows, and the inevitable humiliating defeat for their opponents or "enemies". What they want is everything their own way and what they are willing to concede voluntarily is close to nil. I wonder if a User could user the name say Osama's Watching or Al Qaeda underling or Hamas Hashemite or Taigkiller or some other offensive, terrorist-related username. I think we both know the answer to that, and to pretend the IRA is not as terroristic an organization as any other is revisionism.Jill Teed 20:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I am offended by that outragous personal attack, the second today in fact. One Night In Hackney303 23:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • User:Seraphimblade had the onerous task of closing the RFCN is all, and while I didn't like the final outcome, due process was followed. I'm also more than aware of the connotations behind the disputed name and also behind the offensiveness of having "Tiocfaidh ár Lá" pasted on one's userpage (removed yesterday). However, the accusations you made above are inexcusable and without any foundation at all. Please retract those accusations and apologise for such a suggestion. It's appalling - Alison☺ 00:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
It's sad that at a point in Irish history where terrorism is clearly on the way out and the worst hatemonger left is the senile and half-dead Ian Paisley that user Jill Teed can't let it go. It's no more "hatemongering" to refer to oneself as a Fenian than it is to refer to oneself (in the US) as a Yankee or a Rebel. TortureIsWrong 01:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
What's sad is that this conversation is continuing. Ian Paisley is now sitting down with Nationalist politicians for about the first time ever and is receiving a lot of flak from his own DUP for his troubles. "Tiocfaidh ár Lá" is offensive in the extreme, and you know it. I've had (Nationalist - ha!) friends who were badly injured by IRA thugs, so phrases like that grate on my sensibilities. Pardon my bias, but I grew up in the Republic and can remember the hatred and violence so well and so much of it was kept going by ignorant armchair chuckies who should have known better. Jerry McCabe was murdered by provos only 10 miles from my home. Phrases like that are just like flipping the finger at victims of IRA criminals & that really gets my goat - Alison☺ 04:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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