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- Generally, though not technically, it is used in reference to western military leaders of past and present from, for example, Carl von Clausewitz and Erwin Rommel, to Tommy Franks.
Is that so? We don't have to cover minor usage of an English word shogun. -- Taku 02:29, Oct 19, 2003 (UTC)
I think the word "overcomes" (in "great generalissimo who overcomes the barbarians" ) sounds too passive to be a translation of "征夷"). "Raids" might be more appropriate.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.128.229.43 (talk • contribs) 04:09, 15 November 2003.
In the article there is a subsection "Conquest of the Ainu", and it is described that they were conquered by the earliest shogun.
They may have been the Ainu, but the people who lived in today's Tohoku region may not have been necesarrily the Ainu, or more accurately, it is not known who they were. The only person whose name is known is Aterui, which doesn't sound like Japanese. (I don't know if this can make sense in the Ainu language.) There are some place names in Tohoku region which some claim are of Ainu origine, but it's not enough evidence that proves the people conquered by the shogun were the Ainu. Aniway we could modify this paragraph. -222.15.81.187 11:49, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Dates in article
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Eras states, "Normally you should use plain numbers for years in the Anno Domini/Common Era, but when events span the start of the Anno Domini/Common Era, use AD or CE for the date at the end of the range (note that AD precedes the date and CE follows it). For example, 1 BC–AD 1 or 1 BCE–1 CE." For that reason, I removed "c.e." from the header. Fg2 00:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] European styles
Were shoguns addressed by a standardized European style? Would European diplomatic missives have been addresse to "Son Altesse le Shogun de Japon," or some such? One would imagine that, at least between Perry's opening of Japan and the end of the Shogunate, this would have been addressed. (My hours in the archives full of formalized usage of styles is driving me mad, I fear.) john k 21:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
