Talk:Star Trek: First Contact
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[edit] Errors and inconsistencies
to two errors: with datas uniform, when its corrosive to flesh, why does that mean its corrosive to uniforms too ? couldnt it just be that the uniform is synthetic ? and the explanation for the real time communication is easy: new technology.
- I removed this one. If I recall correctly, Data said the coolant would "liquify organic material on contact." This does not make it corrosive nor does it imply it would have any effect on his synthetic uniform. - Hayter 20:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
When Picard is showing Lily the view of Earth, we can see Australia, New Guinea, and the Solomons. New Zealand is missing from the coast of Australia. — I've never noticed that one! Can anyone provide a screenshot? Marky1981 20:26, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
- I'll try and get one up when I get home tonight, as I have the DVD. I've removed the "error" about Worf not being an officer of the Enterprise at the time, as it is purely speculative - we do not know if officers from any ship can activate autodestruct, or only those from the ship itself, as it is never explained. In any case, Worf had been reinstated on the Enterprise. Jamyskis Whisper, Contribs 08:02, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
- I agree, he was reinstated. Presumably Worf's command codes would have to be reactivated (and would have been offscreen), or he could not have taken charge of the bridge, security or tactical. Also, what if a Starfleet officer beamed over to a ship in a combat scenario where the other ship's crew had been captured or killed? I assume (s)he would be able to auto-destruct the ship to prevent its capture. --CokeBear 11:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
As for the thing about the time messages take to reach the neutral zone from earth, round trip time is two hours, forty seven minutes (Balance of Terror). Assuming (and this is quite a big assumption) that maximum warp speed is the same as communication speed, I don't see a big problem as an hour and a half is unlikely to decide a battle.
- I moved this from the article, since it is more appropriate for the Talk section:
"...(however this may not be in error: the "2063" timeline was supposed to be shortly after a nuclear Third World War. Perhaps New Zealand was completely destroyed; however, an episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine referred to the existence of a penal colony in New Zealand, presumably the same penal colony where Tom Paris was imprisoned.)"
~ Reaverdrop 07:21, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
When Doctor Crusher, Ogawa and Sloan escape from sick bay when the Borg first attack it is assumed that sick bay is on Deck 16. However in Star Trek Nemesis the sick bay is on Deck 7 "
I don;t think this should be included, since sick bay simply could have been moved. --Ughmonster 05:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Irony?
Undoubtedly, there is a great deal of debate over the meaning of the word "ironic". Most people who have given it any serious thought realize that the word is vastly overused by people who haven't a clue as to what it means. I therefore appreciate the effort to expunge irony where it doesn't belong, but I respectfully disagree.
The irony here is real, albeit non-traditional, because it involves a connect between two characters who do not appear in the same venue, but rather, are only connected by the actor. The irony therefore is focused on Patrick Stewart, whose plays one character who is motivated to a course of action because someone unfavorably compares his character (in First Contact) to another character in another work (Moby Dick). He is motivated because he does not want to be seen as Captain Ahab, yet later goes on to play Captain Ahab. This, to me, is ironic, if not within the story itself, then within the life of Patrick Stewart. Unschool 19:38, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Taken word for word from IMDB
Honest to god, the order isnt even changed.
[edit] Error?
Most significant of all is the Borg Queen herself. The Borg have been established in Trek lore as a collective consciousness, so the idea of a "Borg Leader" is contradiction in terms This is under Errors and Inconsistencies. Whilst the idea of a single leader for a collective conciousness would seem to be at first, a contradiction, the fact that Data points this out in the film clearly shows that the writers were aware of this so it is not an error, and it does not contradict anything that has been shown onscreen before (or after) so it is not an inconsistency. The exact relationship between the Queen and the collective is up for debate (as is her existence in later Voyager episodes though cloning is the likely explanation), but the most obvious analogy would be the relationship between a hive of bees and their queen. Clearly the Borg relationship is more complex and when questioned regarding it, the Queen answers only in a cryptic fashion however as said, the existence of the Queen as a leader though immediately confusing, is neither an error nor an inconsistency -Hayter 14:26, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Time
Data, his patches of real skin gone, reveals that he had considered her offer of joining her for only 0.43 seconds - although "to an android, that can be an eternity."
First Contact was on the Sci Fi channel a little while ago, and my dad and I heard him say 0.68 seconds. Which is right? Mr. Quertee 23:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure it's .68. I just watched the recording I've got of it. Kevin W.
It is .68 seconds. Willie 08:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tough little ship
funny how worf said that about the defiant in ds9, but riker says it and worf is ready to kick his ass -Lordraydens 07:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reviews
Why doesn't this article contain any reviews of the movie, or even tell how well it did in theaters? Vesperal
[edit] Removed External Link
I removed this external link from the page (link removed) If someone disagrees, let me know, or put it back. Chuck(contrib) 01:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
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- I rather disagree myself, although that's primarily for the fact that I posted them... I have my reasons.
- Since they're made by fans for fans and gives a satirical insight whose humour doesn't limit itself to the mere Trekkie or well-watched Trekker, I feel it's a pretty plusgood contribution. Read one for yourself, unless you're not a fan of anything... Which I'd highly doubt.
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- Since it has already been discussed and authorised on [[Talk:List of Star Trek: Enterprise episodes, I've been taking on the duty of linking the appropriate links to the corresponding episode pages for Star Trek: Enterprise, Doctor Who, Star Trek: The Original Series, Star Trek: The Animated Series, and prolly well-surpass in forthcoming time-periods. I've gain recognition upon the very news (9.6.06 C.E.) section of that site itself for my trivial misadventures across the Wiki-realm and back.
- DrWho42 04:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Trivia reductions
Could we perhaps divide up the trivia into different sections? Batman (1989 film)'s trivia is broken up as such, and looks much better. I'm posting this so we can get some sort of consensus about the sections. EVula 20:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- I think to start with some trivia can be removed. For example, there seems to be an assumption that Data's reference to how many years it has been since he has used his sexuality functions refers to Tasha Yar, but the dates do not line up. Naked Now takes place on stardate 41209, and First Contact is stardate 50893. Established canon for Next Generation is that a year is 1000 units on a stardate, and that would make Data's encounter with Yar more than 9 and a half years in the past. The dates also do not line up with ST:TNG's "In Theory" (44932) in which Data has a relationship with Ensign D'Sora, nor can calendar dates be used as Naked Now aired in Oct 87, and FC debuted in Nov 96. There is no evidence in canon that would make that piece of trivia factual. So, it is best left out, IMO.--CokeBear 11:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
- I cut out the opinion that the Defiant was simply swept aside by the Borg cube (which it was not, it had been fighting the damn thing since the battle started all the way to Earth and was STILL punching holes in the Cube) as an irrelevancy-- Chris O'Farrell.
[edit] uniforms thing
this appears to be a mangling of the Star Trek: Generations story, where indeed the Enterprise crew were wearing DS9 costumes. For First Contact, the uniforms were new for that movie, and only introduced into DS9 later on. Morwen - Talk 11:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- Its tricky isn't it... the DS9 episode The Ascent aired 11/25/96, 3 days after the FC premiere, but I can't recall who was wearing which uniform because it was an episode focusing on Odo and Quark primarily. The new uniforms were DEFINITELY on the next episode of DS9 from 12/30/96. The next episode of DS9 with a stardate is The Darkness and the Light, 50416.2 (FC is on SD 50893). So, stardates say the uniforms were on DS9 first but calendar debut dates say they were on ST:FC first. It would seem one simply needs to accept that starfleet changed uniforms universally, and no one was wearing anyone else's.--CokeBear 11:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Gravett Island
I wonder why the article "Gravett Island" (more info) redirects here. Psylocibe 09:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- Because it's not all to notable and not enough is known for us to spin an article out of it. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Parallels to Aliens
Some parts of the plot seem to mirror Aliens rather a lot. Any mention of that worthy here, provided someone could find a source for it. In List of cultural references to Alien, it says First Contact's Borg designers deliberately mimed Giger's designs for the aliens, which is something. But the way the Borg assimilated the ship bears rather remarkable resemblence to the way the aliens "assimiliated" the power plant-thingy in Aliens and the Borg Queen has obvious parallels to the alien queen. I remember there being other things... but it's been a long time since I've seen either movie so I honestly don't remember them. :) RobertM525 06:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Warp speed
The effects of the stars going past at warp speed is not the stars actually going past that quickly, it's merely a distortion of the light caused by the subspace bubble generated by the warp nacelles. Thus even travelling within the solar system, the stars would become streaks. mattbuck 00:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Notes/Trivia
Jesus, this section is huge. 71.246.157.168 17:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
