Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Sabaa Nissan Militiaman

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[edit] Sabaa Nissan Militiaman

An Iraqi militiaman wearing a predominantly red keffiyeh in a Iraqi turban style.

• Edit 1 by User:SG, just in case someone complains about "blown highlights".

Reason

A simply stunning portrait of an Iraqi man in Baghdad.

Articles this image appears in

Keffiyeh, Headgear, Man

Creator

Christiaan Briggs

Nominator

♠ SG →Talk

• Support original — ♠ SG →Talk 04:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don't know whether or not this man is Kurdish, and there is no way to find out. I merely used the caption from the Keffiyeh article, which says that he is wearing it in a "Kurdish turban style". ♠ SG →Talk 17:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Support wow is all I have to say, so clear, so crisp that you can see the reflections in his eyes. Arjun 04:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Support either Yeah, I love the quality of both of these pictures! --Tohru Honda13^{Talk•Sign here} 05:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support Taken February 2003? Wow. ~ trialsanderrors 06:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Support Great picture.Bewareofdog 06:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Neutral Original, nuke edit. Sorry, but this is a new extreme, noone pointed oit a flaw or specifically asked for an edit, and SG himself doesn't even support it. Apart from that it is pointless, the highlights are either blown out, or they are not. The edit makes the pic look washed out. Please retract. --Dschwen 09:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • On second thought I cannot support this picture anymore. In man it just appears in a gallery as one pic among many. In headgear and keffiyeh the main subject is cut and not clearly visible. No structure of the headdress is apparent on the pic, lowering enc considerably. --Dschwen 10:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• weak support original, oppose edit - nice, but the highlights are fairly blown, and the edit is worse in that respect. Debivort 10:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose Technically a good shot, but what about the enc? For Keffiyeh and Headgear, I'd like to see all of it. For Man, well, is this among "the best wiki has to offer"? --Janke | Talk 10:26, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• Actually this image has far more enc value than technical value. This is the best representation that you can get from a kurdish Iraqi man. It represents very well a Kurdish militiaman. --Arad 18:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: This is not a Kurdish style Keffieh. The Kurdish style is different which if required can be shown with images. Second, the extreme red color is not used by Kurds. Kurds use Black and white (largely), and sometimes pink (or a light red) and white (like Barzanis). The cute old guy in the image who is a member of Sabaa Nisan is not a Kurd either. Sabaa Nisan is an Arabic word which means 'seventh of month of Nisan'. To sum up, this image has nothing to do with Kurds. Awat 15:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I just copied the image description from Keffiyeh. As for Sabaa Nissan, that's actually what the image is named; I wasn't saying he was part of a militia called "Sabaa Nissan." ♠ SG →Talk 17:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

• Support original. You should find him and tell he is featured on WP. :) - Darwinek 14:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. Perhaps this image could be used at ageing. --KFP (talk | contribs) 19:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • SupportI added it to the ageing article. Now it can officially represent that topic. And I support the picture --Tobyw87 23:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment So you think he is an elderly man and his picture has been put in the "senescence" section of the "ageing" article. And still he is barely 65 (or less), I imagine. What about the rest of us?.... Alvesgaspar 01:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
    • • Comment The picture is not in the senescence section per se.. but rather an example of ageing in the human body. The picture clearly shows signs of ageing... grey hair, worn skin, purple spots on the skin. Even the eyes look like they have seen more than a few days. Clearly it adequately is appropriate for the ageing article. And I think it is particularly appropriate considering the worldy tag on the top of the page. Why should we only have a narrowed "western" view of an elderly person? --Tobyw87 07:52, 21 January 2007
      • I dont really agree with your point. An article on Ageing should mainly have images of the process, not just an old person. If this image were to have a very detailed caption explaining what effects of ageing are illistrated then it would have sufficiant enc. Otherwise pictures of elderly people belong in an article about elderly people, not ageing. -Fcb981 19:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
      • Any extremely detailed picture of someone who is of a particular age is descriptive of the article on ageing, since ageing is a process and as described in the article there are many different stages. I agree that their could be a more descriptive caption to describe the process of ageing in this particular example... However, I think that having the picture in the Kurdish page/Iraq page/Militiaman page is more than sufficient to make this a FP. It is very good deserves that recognition. --Tobyw87 23:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
        • But we don't even know how old he is! I don't think it can be a very encyclopedic illustration of aging if we don't even know for sure what decade of life he's in. Mak (talk) 15:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
        • I decided to take a look at the ageing article and all of it's pictures are just of elderly people. Although I think a photo series over several decades would be more appropriate, as it is now, this shot is probably the best on the article. -Fcb981 00:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support As I stated above, this is a very good picture with high enc value to be placed for any article related to Kurdish people in Iraq. --Arad 18:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I added the picture to the article on Kurdish People and Iraqi_Kurdistan to further its encyclopedic value. --Tobyw87 00:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Uhm... ...how does this change the encyclopedic value of the picture? --Dschwen(A) 05:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose, although this is a very attractive picture, I do not think it is very encyclopedic. The only thing that differentiates this man from my uncle in Virginia is his turban, which is too cut off to be of encyclopedic use. Mak (talk) 06:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC) p.s. are we even sure this guy is really kurdish?
• Weak Support I dislike the missing "pieces" of the turban Booksworm Talk to me! 08:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support Despite the fact that, without the turban, he would look like "my uncle in Virginia". I like very much the expression of the face given by the mouth and watered eyes. Besides we really need more and better pics of people in the FP folio. - Alvesgaspar 12:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Post scriptum - This is a portrait of a person, not the illustration of a turban. And we shouldn't be ashamed of promoting people portraits to FP - Alvesgaspar 18:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Hm. True. People portraits have a hard time here. But an FP must illustrate an article significantly above all. Maybe if we forget about the turban and think Kurdish People... oh ...its been tossed out of the article rv, unrelated img, neither the style is Kurdish, nor the kuffieh color is Kurdish, nor the guy is a Kurd. Sigh, here we go again: Significant contribution in the right article should lead to FPC nomination. Here we have an FPC nomination leading to contributions for the sake of appearing in articles, ultimately leading to reverts. --Dschwen(A) 21:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
      • P.S.: it has bee tossed out of Iraqi Kurdistan as well. So much for furthering its encyclopedic value. Sorry. It is a nice portrait, but without contributing to the right article I don't see it as FP. Well, if en.wp had Quality Images...--Dschwen(A) 21:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. It doesn't really add significantly to any article. — BRIAN0918 • 2007-01-23 16:21Z
• weak support original, oppose edit. The edit doesn't seem to be in any way an improvement. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 10:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Support Not bad, I'd like to see a bit more of the headgear though. | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 19:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
• Reluctant oppose. When I going through the Commons FPs trying to find ones to nominate here, this one always caught my eye, but it's never really been well-used in an article. Until that happens, I'll have to oppose. howcheng {chat} 23:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
• Support Very nice! It is technically incredible but the man himself.... it's really touching. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 03:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong support Technically flawless, very encyclopedic. It may be better used in Iraq or related articles. Noclip 04:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Promoted Image:Sabaa Nissan Militiaman.jpg Raven4x4x 01:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)