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Sisällysluettelo 1 Ro.wiki at 10.000 2 Support for Finno-Ugric theory in Finland 3 Nynorsk Wikipedia - an immediate neighbour which should be mentioned... 4 Interlanguage links 5 Skanwiki 6 Wikimedia Collaboration 7 Coffee room and embassy 8 Babel? 9 Localized date formats need to be verified 10 KIITOS! 11 Wikizine 12 Interwiki bot 13 Wikikokous Tampereella? 14 Teuvo Kohonen 15 Test 16 Theodor Fontane 17 Hikipedia disappears 18 Helsinki, Kallion kirkko 19 Esisokraatikot 20 Grammatical cases 21 Request of english translation 22 Wikipedia articles translation - traduction des articles de wikipédia

[muokkaa] Ro.wiki at 10.000

Please update your main page, moving romanian wikipedia ( http://ro.wikipedia.org ) to wikis with more than 10.000 articles. --Danutz

Several other Wikipedias that have passed the ten-thousand-article barrier are missing from Etusivu as well. --Hautala 12. joulukuuta 2004 kello 15:14 (UTC)

The placement of other wikis on the Main page is completely arbitrary (and some would even say random, but I digress) and reflects the presumed interests of Wikipedia users. And it looks pretty fine as it is. -- MikkoM (♫)  12. joulukuuta 2004 kello 21:46 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Support for Finno-Ugric theory in Finland

I'm terribly sorry but I don't speak Finnish. There has been a debate in the Hungarian Wikipedia about the support for the Finno-Ugric theory in Finland.

Some editors say that a number of Finnish linguists have turned away from this theory as early as the 1950s and now they support the Germanic origins of Finnish instead.

Other editors believe that Finno-Ugric still has the support of the overhelming majority of linguists in Finland.

So what's the truth about this? Is Finno-Ugric theory, that puts Hungarian and Finnish in the same language group still the dominant theory? Are there any alternatives thought in schools and higher education? Is this the "official" theory? Are there any notable linguists in Finland who object to the relation of Finnish and Hungarian? If so, who are they?

I'd appreciate any help, Nyenyec

As far as I know, all Finnish linguists think that Finnish and Hungarian are in the same language group. However, there is a somewhat heated discussion as to the genetical origin of Finns, which is far from being solved. In the discussion of genetical origins you will find linguists in both camps. --Samulili 11. tammikuuta 2005 kello 20:16 (UTC)

That's right. I asked prof. Ulla-Maija Kulonen from the University of Helsinki's Department of Finno-Ugrian Studies who said there is no disagreement about the validity of the Finno-Ugrian theory. Moreover she said nobody has made such claims that Finnish would have Germanic origins, even though there is a great amount of germanic loanwords. Hope this helps... Amanita 14. tammikuuta 2005 kello 07:44 (UTC)

Just noting for anyone interested that there has been a related debate at the english wikipedia. See en:Finno-Ugric languages and en:Uralic languages. Also take a look at en:Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Antifinnugor and en:Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Antifinnugor. -- Jniemenmaa 12. tammikuuta 2005 kello 12:09 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Nynorsk Wikipedia - an immediate neighbour which should be mentioned...

The Nynorsk Wikipedia passed 3000 articles on February 16. Since Nynorsk is one of the official languages of Finland's neighbouring country Norway, it would seem appropriate to have interwiki links on the Etusivu (Main) and Tuoreet muutokset (Recent changes) pages of the Finnish Wikipedia... :) All the best, Olve 16. helmikuuta 2005 kello 00:26 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Interlanguage links

For people adding interlanguage links: in Finnish Wikipedia the interlanguage links are ordered by the language name what shows in the sidebar, not by the language code. We have tried to make a list of language names and sometimes their transliterations in Wikipedia:Luettelo Wikipedian kielistä. The correct order of interlanguage links is at Wikipedia:Kieltenväliset linkit#Kielilinkkien järkevä käyttö. Please follow the rules and make finding one's language from the interlanguage link list easier. -Jean d'Arc 3. maaliskuuta 2005 kello 23:55 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Skanwiki

Hello Finland. To your orientation a scandinavian portal is beeing started at Meta. It's called Skanwiki and you are invited to join us. Regards (Venlig hilsen) Malene Thyssen 83.91.158.95 31. maaliskuuta 2005 kello 20:59:52 (UTC) (from Denmark)

[muokkaa] Wikimedia Collaboration

A new attempt to get the Wikimedia community to collaborate on multi-lingual tasks is the Wikimedia Collaboration of the Week. Please see the page on meta for details. It would be great if you could translate the following and add it to Kahvihuone. The text below is from en:Template:Wm-cotw and will be updated every week. Thanks. Angela 3. huhtikuuta 2005 kello 20:13:57 (UTC)

I almost translated it. It could be on Wikipedia:Ajankohtaista. I had some questions but I moved them to the COTW talk pages on Meta. -Jean d'Arc 3. huhtikuuta 2005 kello 22:16:10 (UTC)

Now it is ready:

[muokkaa] Coffee room and embassy

Shouldn't this page be moved to the talk page of Wikipedia:Lähetystö? Then it would be more like the embassies in the other big wikipedias. Consistency is a merit. -Jean d'Arc 20. huhtikuuta 2005 kello 00:43:29 (UTC)

I moved it. -Jean d'Arc 16. toukokuuta 2005 kello 16:27:55 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Babel?

Not sure if you prefer questions like this on Kahvihuone or here. Do you have Babel on Finnish Wikipedia? Do you plan to start it? Those of you who visit Swedish Wikipedia to contribute (with interwikilinks, or more) and find something at sv WP you would like discuss with someone there who speak Finnish, have an automatic list - not complete, but growing - sv:Kategori:Användare fi here. I think the system is useful. /Habj 13. kesäkuuta 2005 kello 10:13:05 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Babylon. -Hapsiainen 13. syyskuuta 2005 kello 21:39:56 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Localized date formats need to be verified

Dear Wikipedians,

I need your help to look at date formats for your language. I created a large list of formats here. Please take a look and fix any mistakes or add any new formats. This will help interwiki bot to match en:April 1, fr:1 avril, ru:1 апреля, zh:4月1日, and all other sites together.

What's needed: Look here at every format for your language, fix any mistakes, note any exceptions (some languages have 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc naming schemas, or year 1 is written as '1 (year)' unlike all other years).

Also, I would like to receive a bot status on your site for my bot User:YurikBot. It will be mostly involved in interwikies.

Thank you!!!

You can contact me at en:Yurik (--70.192.56.68 24. syyskuuta 2005 kello 21:56:07 (UTC))

[muokkaa] KIITOS!

I am a professor (senior lecturer) at a Finnish University. I just wanted to say 'suur kiitos' to all of you who maintain these pages. They have been a big help to my students. However, I do tell them to cross-check the facts in your articles, because taking information from only one source is not a good idea! and it is not certain that all the articles are correct, despite the peer-pressure self-monitoring that Wikipedia entails. You're doing a great job, guys, and this was a great idea.

Please encourage them also correct the facts if there is any errors found. --TBone 31. lokakuuta 2005 kello 07:44:08 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Wikizine

Hi, I am w:nl:gebruiker:Walter of the dutch Wikipedia. I am writing you because your are listed as ambassador of your wiki. I have something to say that I think you will find useful and possibly others of your wiki also.

You know it is not easy for the members of a local wiki to be informed about what is going on in the higher levels of the Wikimedia family. This because of the language problem and the high level of fragmentation of places where you can find information.

I am now making a weekly news letter (Wikizine) that attempts to provide the news of the Wikimedia projects. The concept is to list only a very short description of the news an give the relevant url to the subject. I want it to be short, only give the news that is important for all projects. The target audience include the ambassadors. It is for people who are interested in what it going on outside there own wiki. I emphasize on the news that is practical-technical. The information comes form several "news"-pages on several wikis, the mailinglists and IRC. There will be news I can not discover. If you have news found somewhere or from you own wiki please let my know. wikizine AT wikipedia.be

I can only create one version in something that supposed to be English. I count on the readers to inform there local wiki about the news in there own language.

Wikizine is send by use of the mailinglist Announce-l. It is only used for this. So people can subscribe without being swamped by emails like the lists.

http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/announce-l

I hope that you and others of your wiki will subscribe to Wikizine and give feedback. So that Wikizine can become really a source where Wikimedians can find out what is going on. Greetings, w:nl:gebruiker:Walter PS: do not repond here. I will not see it.

[muokkaa] Interwiki bot

Hi,

I'd like to run an interwiki bot and get a bot flag on your wiki, is it possible ? I already use this bot on fr:, en:, ja:, sv:, nl:, it:, de:, es: and pl:.

Thanks ▪ Eskimo ☼ 11. joulukuuta 2005 kello 10:03:03 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Wikikokous Tampereella?

Moro! (Epatamperelaisille: Moi!)

Kirjoitan suomea, mutta minusta on helppo tunnistaa, että olisi parempaa, kun kirjoisin englantia. Olen ihan aktiivinen Tšekin Wikipedian käyttäjä, joka asuu Tampereella. Koska minun wikitoverit järjestävät Tšekissä usein kokouksien, joihinkin en voi osallistua, olisi mukavaa, jos voisin tavata suomalaisien. Aiotaanko jokin kokous kohta Tampereella? Juotaisiin olutta, katsottaisiin tyttöjä jne... (Perkele, kuka keksi pasiivin konditionaalin?) --Miraceti ✉ 3. tammikuuta 2006 kello 22:45:42 (UTC)-- Tšekin: ✉(mutta nykyisin wikilomalla)

Moromoi! Idea on ihan mielenkiintoinen, mutta itse asun Jyväskylässä, joten en taida päästä sinne. :( Henri Tapani Heinonen 12. heinäkuuta 2006 kello 05.33 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Teuvo Kohonen

I want to write name of Teuvo Kohonen in cyrillic, but I don't know pronunciation of name "Teuvo" (variants: Теуво, Тьюво, Тойво...). Please, help mi with IPA or Sound file. --195.225.128.36 8. tammikuuta 2006 kello 16:17:15 (UTC)

It's Теуво in the way you'd pronounce it in Russian. -Samulili 8. tammikuuta 2006 kello 16:21:08 (UTC)

Kiitos! --195.225.128.36 8. tammikuuta 2006 kello 18:27:32 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Test

Where does this writing appear? Clarifer 18. helmikuuta 2006 kello 17.47 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Theodor Fontane

I put in a stub Theodor Fontane. If it is a nuisance I'll stop doing something like that. If not I'll put in similar stubs for German authors and German cities from time to time. --Cethegus 26. huhtikuuta 2006 kello 15.43 (UTC)

An article, even the smallest, should have a definition. I understand that you don't Finnish, so maybe it's best not to add such sub-stubs. However, putting a list of these people and cities to your user page with a link to the German article, would make a fine list of requested articles (there are quite a few people who can translate them). -Samulili 28. huhtikuuta 2006 kello 13.09 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Hikipedia disappears

I don't know where to ask about it, so I writing here. Does anybody know why Hikipedia has disappear? It's any chance to restore it, or maybe what is the new URL? Szoferka 12. toukokuuta 2006 kello 13.30 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Helsinki, Kallion kirkko

Ihre Informationen über die Kallio Kirche in Helsinki entprechen nicht der Realität. Im Jahre 1995 baute die schwedische Orgelbaufirma Åkerman & Lund Orgelbuggeri AB eine neue Emporenorgel mit 48 Registern, die heute zu den bedeutendsten Orgeln Finnlands gehört und die die am meisten auf CD eingespielte finnische Orgel ist. Die alte, 1956 gebaute Orgel mit 70 Registern der finnischen Firma Kangasala (die Sie zitieren)wurde schon 1993 abgebaut. Die Fassade der heutigen Emporenorgel basiert auf der Originalfassade von Lars Sonck aus dem Jahre 1912. Ich stehe Ihnen gerne mit Bildern und Informationen kostenlos zur Verfügung.

Mit herzlichen Grüssen Helmuth Gripentrog Orgelbauer Tel: 040 5567657 Email: helmuth.gripentrog@kolumbus.fi www.kolumbus.fi/helmuth.gripentrog

Vielen Dank! Ich habe Artikel Kallion kirkko korrektiert. --SimoM 12. elokuuta 2006 kello 19.49 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Esisokraatikot

Bonjour, Hello,

J'aimerais créer une sous-catégorie pour les Antiikin kreikkalaiset filosofit qui ne comprendrait que les philosophes présocratiques. La liste commence à s'allonger. Comment devrais-je accorder le terme Esisokraatikot avec filosofit?

I would like to create a sub-category for the Antiikein kreikkalaiset filosofit that would include only the presocratic philosophers. The liste is getting quite long. How should I spell the word Esisokraatikot when placed with filosofit?

Merci, thanks, -- Robin des Bois ♘ ➳ ✉ 20. marraskuuta 2006 kello 04.17 (UTC)

It is Luokka:Esisokraatikot. --TBone 20. marraskuuta 2006 kello 05.20 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Grammatical cases

First, sorry for not speaking Finnish. I would like to invite you to comment on the proposed solution to make work easier for the languages that use grammatical cases. See m:User:Eleassar/Inflections. Do you think this would work for you? --sl:User:Eleassar 23. joulukuuta 2006 kello 13.00 (UTC)

[muokkaa] Request of english translation

Hello, I'm an Italian user. I want to know if is possible to ask someone the translate the page Iisalmi in English so I can update information on the italian page. I also added a request in the talking page (here: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keskustelu:Iisalmi ) but I want to know if I have to request this information to you before.

You can respond me at my talking page here or by Italian Embassy

Thank you

Raptor87

[muokkaa] Wikipedia articles translation - traduction des articles de wikipédia

Bonjour,

Je voudrais annoncer que j'ai mis en place un site d'aide à la traduction des articles de Wikipédia. S'il y a une page sur les outils d'aide à la traduction, se serait une bonne idée de l'ajouter.

Merci.

Dom huhtikuuta 2007 kello 16.20 (UTC)

--- Hello,

I would like to announce that the site site help to translate interwiki links in the Wikipedia articles. If there is a page talking of the tools for translation it would be a good idea.

Thanks,

Dom huhtikuuta 2007 kello 16.20 (UTC)