Talk:Georgy Malenkov

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As this stands, this is awfully close to http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/georgy_malenkov.php3, to the point of raising some questions about copyright issues. Joe Mabel 2 Nov 2003

Secretlondon's change 18:58, 7 Nov 2003 replaces a link to a List of Secretaries-General of the Russian Communist Party (this may well be mis-named: I believe that should be "...Communist Party of the Soviet Union" rather than "Russian Communist Party") with a link to a List of leaders of the Soviet Union that doesn't include Malenkov! Since this is an article abou Malenkov, that seems an odd choice. It looks to me like that also means those two lists deserve reconciliation. Since I'm not expert on the 1950s Soviet Union, just middling knowledgeable, I leave it to someone else to follow up and sort this all out. Joe Mabel 8 Nov 2003

Why was the information on place of birth and death removed? -- Jmabel 07:02, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

User:Cantus was on a campaign of changing the standardized styles used for intro paragraphs. Locations of birth and death don't belong there. I just added the place of birth in the second paragraph. Everyking 16:50, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Suspicious text

The text:

"and became a commissar for the Red Army in 1919. He officially joined the party a year later"

is very suspicious, since commissars were party overseers of the army. Mikkalai 20:21, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Brittanica Concise website says he joined Red Army in 1919 and the party in 1920 but does not claim he became a commissar in 1919. I'll try to check some print sources. Andris 02:57, May 26, 2004 (UTC)

I checked the library. The printed Brittanica, unsurprisingly, agrees with Brittanica website. Bolshaya Sovetskaya Enciklopediya says that he joined Red Army as a volunteer in 1919, Communist Party in April 1920 and was a politrabotnik in the army from 1919 to 1921, when he retired from Army. (Is politrabotnik the same as commissar?)

To summarize, 1919 for joining Army and 1920 for Communist Party seem to be universally accepted. Commissar part is more obscure but Bolshaya Sovetskaya Enciklopediya seems to confirm that as well. We could either leave it as is is or rewrite to something like "He joined Red Army in 1919 and Communist Party in 1920. During his service in Red Army, he was a political commissar" if we want to be perfectly safe. Any thoughts?Andris 23:07, May 26, 2004 (UTC)

That sounds appropriate to me, solid and safe. -- Jmabel 06:31, 27 May 2004 (UTC)

Since no one else has responded, I assumed that's fine with everyone and rewrote the article. Andris 20:17, Jun 5, 2004 (UTC)

Agree with User:Mikkalai. I am removing a contradictory phrase: Although he never rejoined the party, Malenkov remained a Communist. AFAIK, it's either one or the other. --Humus sapiens|Talk 02:46, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

It could mean he remained supportive of Communist ideas. But it's better to leave it out for now. Andris 02:54, May 26, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] First Secretary?

Malenkov became Chairman of the Council of Ministers (or Premier) as well as First Secretary of the party

I think this is false. Malenkov was since 1952 and remained until February 14, 1953 one of the Secretaries of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. There was no position of the First Secretary immediately after Sralin's death. Andres 12:26, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I agree with Andres. Malenkov was of the Secretaries, but not First Secretary. In Russian Wikipedian article it is said he was Chairman of the Council of Ministers (председатель Совета министров СССР). No info about the post of First Secretary. As far as I know, Malenkov failed in power struggle with Khrushchev since he held top governmental post only, while Khrushchev held top partial post, i.e more powerful. -- Avia 08:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

In the Russian list of General Secretaries of the Central Committee of the CPSU, Khruschev succeeded to Stalin. Avia 03:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redundant categories

In categories Leaders of the Soviet Union|, Soviet politicians, and Communists. Surely there should be a hierarchical relationship among these categories and only Category:Leaders of the Soviet Union should be need on the article... -- Jmabel | Talk 05:32, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)