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Contents 1 White Gospel 2 Southern Gospel 3 Lining out 4 Still waiting 5 Gospel choirs appearing in other genres 5.1 Not sure why someone removed it 6 gospels 7 Methodist hymnal

[edit] White Gospel

While the two schools of gospel--white and black--are still quite distinct, I hate to compound the century-old pattern of segregation by breaking this article into two. As anyone can see, however, I know next to nothing about the white variety. I also hope others will fill in the links to groups such as The Swan Silvertones and import some suitable images to ornament this page and others.

~ Italo Svevo ~

The article mentions that some of the gospel music crossed over between black and white churches.  Can anyone list some of the songs that crossed over?  And what groups may have sang them.  I would like to compare and contrast the two different styles using the same songs, hopefully during the same era, ie: 40's and 50's.  Thank you.

Does anyone know which gospel music crossed over between black and white churches?

Examples of Contemporary Christian (white Gospel) and Gospel (black Gospel) artists that have crossed into both types of congregations would include Israel Houghton and the New Breed, Martha Munizzi, Mary Alessi, Ron Kenoly, and Clint Brown. I don't really know of any Southern Gospel crossovers. I do agree that the breakout of black and white is inaccurate because of the appeal of both styles to people of each race. The blending of music styles, much like the blending in popular culture music, has made such distinctions obsolete. At some point the members of Wikipedia may want to address Christian music as a genre and then break it into subgroup based on style (traditional hymns, worship music, rap, jazz, Christian pop, etc.). All of these styles exist in today's Christian music, but appeal to people of different races. Both the Gospel music and the Contemporary Christian music articles may need some rework.
Absolon S. Kent 19:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Southern Gospel

My understanding is that "southern gospel" is a subset of "white gospel." I don't claim any expertise in this area; someone who actually knows the field should clear up this confusion and expand this part of the article.

[edit] Lining out

The claim that tracing gospel to Celtic traditions of "lining out" is racist is strange. African-American culture, gospel included, was created from African slaves' and their African-American descendents' confrontation with white-dominated society. The fact that their cultural forms took more from that society and did not preserve the sort of clearer African lineage in the U.S. that African slaves did in Cuba and elsewhere does not make them any less authentic here in the U.S. Nor does it insult African-Americans or their culture to point out the practices they borrowed, then adapted.

And gospel took as much from white culture—starting with the Methodist hymns of Dr. Watts and other eighteenth century composers, the theology of the Great Awakening, the ecclesiastical structures of Baptist and Methodist churches and all of the other aspects of religious culture which their masters allowed them to participate in—as any other aspect of black culture in the U.S., even when being sung by blacks for blacks in black churches. While it's fair to say that gospel music became "blacker" with the advent of the Holiness churches in the early twentieth century—an outgrowth of the Pentecostal movement, interracial at the outset but quickly segregated—even then black gospel music maintained some tenuous, mostly one-way connections with white gospel music; Dorsey wrote songs that became standards for white gospel singers, black gospel groups appeared in secular white venues.

The subject of precursors to modern gospel music and the mix of European and African traditions is an interesting one. I hope this is just the start of a fuller discussion. --Italo Svevo 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Still waiting

I removed the gratuitous and unhelpful statement "But that can be written off as nothing but politically correct fluff." We do, however, need someone to contribute to this section, since the article presently jumps from the eighteenth century to 1920, which is preposterous. --Italo Svevo 05:34, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gospel choirs appearing in other genres

Seriously, it would be really cool to have a list of songs in other genres which feature a gospel choir.

I'll get us started:

• Downfall by matchbox twenty
• I'm Alright by Jars of Clay
• All These Things That I've Done by The Killers

--AlanH 23:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Added to the main page.

--AlanH 23:53, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not sure why someone removed it

discuss it first, ok? Reverted that section. --AlanH 01:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] gospels

the gospels was sing bye the black people in the hard work,how they have to do!one people was sing and the oder sing second him or her!so gospelmusic have there origin from the plantation where the blackpeople have worked!

by Renate

???

What the.... Racist troll or ESL? Laggard

[edit] Methodist hymnal

Unsure of the following statement from the article:

"While the separation between the two styles was never absolute both drew from the Methodist hymnal and artists in one tradition sometimes sang songs belonging to the other"

Can someone provide references or documentation on the Methodist hymnal part. If not it will be removed.
Absolon S. Kent 18:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)