Talk:Gratis versus Libre
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[edit] "The phrase is derived from Spanish."
It's not a 'phrase', just a phrase. Nor do I believe that 'it derives from Spanish' or any other language. It's just a concept. --jazzle 10:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
- "Is not the word liberty equivlent to libre" - unsigned
- Yes. Liberty. Freedom. We have words in English. WAS 4.250 05:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Liber vs. libre
Should be gratis versus liber. Both in Latin. — Chameleon 23:34, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
- "Gratis" and "libre" are the French terms. — Casey J. Morris 01:37, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
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- I've been unable to find "gratis" in any online French dictionaries. However, both words are Spanish. — FuzzyOnion 06:34, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
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- I'm sorry, the French is "gratuit." —Casey J. Morris 18:22, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
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There are many misnomers in English. Even words that mix elements from greek and latin. (horrors!) For better or worse "libre" is the term as currently used in English to be contrasted with "gratis" when discussing software. I am not aware of "liber" being in common use in English for any purpose whatever. 4.250.177.52 13:46, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Making "free as in beer" subheader of Gratis
I just made free as in beer a subheader of Gratis, as I found it quite confusing to have Gratis, Libre, and Free as in Beer as the headers in an article about Gratis vs Libre. Not only isn't Free as in Beer a separate philosophy, but it was also already described under Gratis. So I merged the relevant paragraphs as well. Hopefully all these edits ended up achieving the clarity I was hoping for. :-) -- Jugalator 10:59, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
- In a discussion with my co-workers, I realized there's another "free": available. "Are you free for dinner?" "No, I have class tonight." - UtherSRG (talk) 18:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Free as a Puppy
Where does "Free as a Puppy" fit into this?
[edit] 1984
I know there was some mention of these different meanings of "free" in 1984. Are they worth being mentioned in this article?
- I don't think so. This is the topic of many books besides Ninetee Eighty-Four. No particular reason to include exactly that one. A superb book, though. --logixoul 12:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
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- What's up with '84? I'm sure they're mentioned every year. :-) Vildricianus 20:24, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Free beer
Could you elaborate on "free beer"? Is it common to offer beer for free in some cultures? Where? -unsigned
- Could you provide me with some examples? 195.194.167.31 13:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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- Oooh, yes, can I have some too?! 220.238.30.131 09:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Split these two articles?
Any objection to splitting this into two articles "gratis" and "libre"? That makes it possible to link to "libre" or "gratis" to gloss the word "free": "Wikipedia is the [[libre|free]] encyclopedia that anyone can edit". Right now, "libre" redirects to "Gratis versus Libre" so clicking the link wouldn't resolve the ambiguity. For easy maintenance it could be done as two new articles of a sentence or so each, both linking to this article which goes into more detail. Phr 00:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- We used to have two seperate articles but deletionists said "Wikipedia is not a dictionary" so I created this article to preserve the contents from the deletionists. If this article ever gets big enough, it could be broken into two, but splitting it now would only create articles people would want to delete because "Wikipedia is not a dictionary". WAS 4.250 15:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Hmm, the wiktionary entries wikt:gratis wikt:libre are pretty useless. Phr (talk) 05:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Seems like contextually this is going to be more useful 90% of the time, for people first encountering either phrase. And as for the wiktionary entries, isn't that just (or at least mainly) supposed to be for English words? Tokataro 05:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Libre equivalent in English
Is not the word liberation the same? (or liberated, etc) just that there is no root word? SECProto 02:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Liberty, liberation, freedom. We have words in English. The choice of the word "free" was a mistake. That choice is currently justified by the mythology of a lack of adequate alternatives in English. WAS 4.250 05:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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- Er, but none of those "alternatives" are adjectives. Redquark 23:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Liberty Bell, Liberation theology, Freedom Trail, Freedom rides and so on set examples that could have been used instead of "free". WAS 4.250 09:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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Is it not time English accepted "libre" in the same way as other Loanwords: "Although loanwords are typically far fewer than the native words of most languages ..., they are often widely known and used, since their borrowing served a certain purpose...". Using "libre" serves a purpose: it disambiguates "free" (gratis/libre) in discussions about FLOSS and free knowledge etc. The word "libre" is becoming widely understood by English speakers - especially those interested in free culture, libre knowledge, FLOSS, etc. - Kctucker 08:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Libre also = gratis in French? (According to Wiktionary)
ie. One valid synonym of "libre" is "gratuit" which means "gratis".
ie. It seems to have the exact same problem as the English word "free".
--irrevenant [ talk ] 03:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't. I speak French and I can tell you that the "gratis" meaning of "libre" is an uncommon usage that would only be used in certain limited contexts (and I can't even think of any at the moment). The connotation of liberty is much stronger. "logiciel libre" is not ambiguous. Redquark 23:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
