Talk:Grey Owl
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I think perhaps the 7 Apr 2004 revision of the 1st paragraph should be undone. (a) "Grey Owl" was not a nickname. (b) The occasion was much more than a mere name change. The preceding version seems clearer, more precise, and more informative. --MarkB 18:30, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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Why is he listed on Category:Impostors and also in Impostor?? That label doesn't seem to fit the bill here! Lupo 12:15, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
In fact, I would welcome suggestions to more proper moniker for people who have adopted amerindian identity regardless of their origin - just like Grey Owl and Chief Buffalo Child Long Lance - Skysmith 13:36, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- I am by no means an expert, but were/are these people not called "White Indian" or "Black Indian", respectively? Though I must say that I have no idea whatsoever whether and if so, how loaded these terms are. Lupo 14:23, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Stansfeld?
Should it be mentioned that sources are divided between "Stansfeld" and "Stansfield". The former predominates, but seems unlikely given his relatives being Stansfield [1] Tearlach 14:15, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Imposter?
What is the logic behind including Grey Owl in this category? I am not all that familiar with him, but nothing in the article seems to motivate category inclusion. Yeah, he seems to have claimed a voluntary identity that some people thought was inappropriate, but his reason for noteriety seems to be his writing, not any such identity claim per se.
Obviously, it's annoying for my edit of removing the category to be described as vandalism, in rather bad faith. But that's just annoying, and doesn't affect whether the category fits per se. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 03:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
- Who described it as vandalism?Vizjim 06:36, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
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- "Impostors in this category are individuals whose principal claim to noteriety is in having passed themselves off as a person or type of person whom they are not." Grey Owl is an individual known for two things - 1) saving the beaver and 2) pretending to be from a First Nations tribe, despite having actually been born in Hastings. Do a quick google and make your own mind up for which he is currently most well-known. Grey Owl is a famous impostor. As such, he goes into the category "Impostors". I find it extremely difficult to understand the problem with this, hence the flamebait comment about nonsensical changes, for which I apologise.Vizjim 06:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
The problem seems to be that most impostors make up everything, and for personal gain or out of some delusion. Grey Owl lied about his ancestry, but he didn't lie about living in the wilderness nor about his belief that the wilderness and its wildlife should be preserved. If he felt he needed to pretend to be a First Nations tribesman to do that, then so be it. I think that's the general feeling re this man.
[edit] Posthumous recognition
I have changed the reference to "Canadian Scarlet Maple" to "Canadian Red Maple" because I have never known the tree to be called anything other than Red Maple in English. I have kept the word Canadian as a descriptor indicating the country of origin of that species of tree, not as part of the name of the species.Paulannis 16:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wa-sha-quon-asin?
I've tried to find out what "Wa-sha-quon-asin" really ought to be in Ojibwe but the closest I could come-up was wewenjiganooshiinh to mean "grey screech-owl", from wewenjiganoo ("grey screech-owl") with pejorative and contemptive suffixes attached. Do anyone know of any references that speak to his "Ojibwa name" other than all the "Wa-sha-quon-asin" references? CJLippert 23:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
- I got a communique saying that the word is wenjiganoozhiinh for the "great horned owl" or "great grey owl", coming from wenji- ("for..., from whence...") and ganoozh ("speak to someone") with a contemptive suffix, describing the primary characteristic of the owl's hoot. CJLippert 16:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
