Talk:Grindhouse (film)

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[edit] Controversy section

I have a feeling there are more controversies than the one I added about Cherry Darling's sexy amputee-ness. Maybe they should be combined into a section outside the 'plot' section. How has this been resolve in other movie entries? Sexperts 17:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Cherry, the amputee turned sex symbol has provoked sexuality rights groups to call her a cultural symbol for full sexual citizenship of the disabled.

I removed the above statement from the article. For one thing, blogs are not allowed to be used as sources. For another thing, it's a misrepresentation of what was actually written in the blog. Here's the actual quote. (Ibaranoff24 04:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC))

There is an unspoken yet unequivocal stance in western culture where amputees, and the disabled community in general, are desexualized, let alone regarded as hot. Looking at Cherry Darling from such a perspective, one might think that Rodriguez is making a long overdue statement of sorts, rallying against conventional perceptions of what is and is not deemed attractive. Then again, maybe it’s nothing more than horny man’s Grand-Theft Auto induced vision of the perfect woman, complete with boobs on top and bullets coming from down below.

[edit] Planet Terror and Death Proof

Since Grind House is actually two movies in one, it's my suggestion that Planet Terror and Death Proof have their own film articles. The Grind House article can provide an overview of these two movies and how they were brought together, as well as the fake trailers. --Erik 00:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

It is being released as a single film, and IMDb only has this as a single entry. I don't think that there should be two articles. (Ibaranoff24 23:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC))
The idea behind Grind House is that it is two complete movies shown in one sitting. Grind House itself is an experience encompassing two movies and a few fake trailers. Although technically the movies can be seen as existing independant of one another, the studios will not doubt release this as one big DVD, and separating them would make the name Grind House meaningless.(Rainer Werner 15 September 2006 (UTC))

While I agree that the Grindhouse article should cover both featur(ette)s, the film is actually being split into two separate films in most countries outside of the USA. Fucking shame, if you ask me. Jeffpw 10:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I wonder how they will handle the fake previews of coming attractions which will air between the two films? Corvus cornix 20:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

It's amusing to read that the gun-toting stripper has an attitude named "Cherry." I get the meaning, but it's still funny. --Bill Gerdts 23:16, 16 March 2007

[edit] Fixes

I tried to turn the html tables into properly formatted wiki markup tables, but the positioning comes out wrong so I didn't commit it. Here's the longer list, to save someone some typing. --Andy 17:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[removed credited cast list due to implementation in the article and the fact that its coding here screwed with the talk page format] --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 12:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do when I'm done with my classes for the day. Do you have a citation for the casting? That would help for verifying the information until the film gets closer to the release date. (Also, do you mind deleting the cast list after the information's inserted? Seems to displace my comment, and might displace future comments, too.) --Erik 17:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

PLEASE, someone stop putting the Charger down as a 1970. It is a 1969.

[edit] Soundtrack?

I recently saw a trailer for this and while this could be a wild goose chase, I figured this would be the best place to ask if anyone knows who did the soundtrack to it.

Raven_1959 22:11, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent shooting

Do we need this section? looks like the works of a desperate fan and not really wikipedia material...--sin-man 07:58, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to smite it. Much of this article is unfortunately unsourced, and I can't say that this film article is one of my top editing priorities. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I was just going to ask the same thing. Killing it under the same principle as why people don't like, say, what's going on under 2006 for Chris Benoit. Drjayphd 01:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grind House Trailer

Hello, http://grindhouse.info/trailers.php Trailer is on there. Looks pretty cool. You can tell who's behind this film just by watching that (even with out them telling you...)

[edit] Article title is incorrect

The official trailer promotes the film as Grindhouse, not Grind House. MDonfield 13:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I've renamed the page to Grindhouse (film) -- could everyone help update the name elsewhere via "what links here"? -jca2112 16:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

-Actually they don't have permission to use the name Grindhouse (one word). It belongs to an already established production/distribution company of the same name which distributes horror exploitation films and trailers much like what this movie is trying to emulate.

Well that hasn't seemed to stop the Weinstein Company from marketing the film title as one word. -jca2112 07:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I suggest changing the title to, simply, Grindhouse. Since Grindhouse, redirects to Exploitation film, I suppose we should... not direct it. I think more people who are searching Grindhouse are looking for the film rather than film-style.--Asderoff 23:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "New Updated Information"

I just noticed the "New Updated Information" under the section about the fake trailers. Someone needs to wikify this. 164.107.242.131 03:49, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quote

I removed this quote because it has no source information. If anyone has a source for the quote, you can add it back into the article, with a proper reference link. (Ibaranoff24 19:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC))

Says Tarantino, "Our original idea was to do a horror double feature. The genre I wanted to tackle was slasher films, because I'm a big fan of late-'70s, early-'80s slasher films. The only thing was, what makes them so good is the genre is so rigid. And I had an idea about a guy who kills girls with his car as opposed to a machete, and I put it in a slasher-film structure. Other than the big car moments, though, my thing could be a Eugene O'Neill play. These girls just talk and talk and talk. If it wasn't for the car stuff, I could do my thing on stage."

[edit] Machete

This quote:

"Between the two segments will be trailers advertising fake films. In an interview with Danny Trejo, the actor said that he will be in a fake trailer for a movie called They Call Him Machete, obviously a reference to Trejo's character of the same name in Rodriguez' Spy Kids series."

Altough may be what Trejo said, in the preview in the scream awards they showed a clip of his trailer and the title of the "film" seems to be just 'Machete'. Vicco Lizcano 04:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC) ^{(Tell me where I'm wrong)}

[edit] Weinsteins to split movie

I just read a rumor that the Weinstein are going to split the movies when released in different countries, could someone find a source for this so we can add it?. I'm on work and I can't surf the web freely (most sites blocked, except wiki and others). I read it at a forum, so I know it's not a valid source for wiki. Thanks. Vicco Lizcano 19:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC) ^{(Tell me where I'm wrong)}

I have also read, that in Germany, where I live, the movie is released in two parts. First comes Rodriguez' part and four months later Tarantino's part. Source: bereitsgesehen.de (german). The site is in german, but you can see the dates for both parts in bold types: Planet Terror starts on April, 12th 2007 and Death Proof starts on August, 23rd 2007. But allegedly you can see the double feature, when Tarantono's part starts in cinemas. --δα ωλα 22:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Damn American film fat cats. don't they realise that not just Americans had grindhouse films in the 70's and we all want to experience this as it was meant to be too?--Mercifull ^{(Talk/Contribs)} 14:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how this can be used here (and to be honest, I am too tired and crabby to even look and see), but here is the Dutch/Belgian poster for the split Grindhouse release--note only deathproof is mentioned, and the title Grindhouse is just thrown in at the top. [1]. And here is the Planet Terror poster. [2]Jeffpw 12:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Well you need to know its not the Americans that are doing the splitting of the movies...

[edit] international movie split

In Australia we are getting it as one double feature release.

maybe it is for European (or non-English European) audiences the feature is being split.--ZayZayEM 13:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rating

I was watching G4 today and they said that it may get an NC-17 if there are no cuts made to it. should this be added?

[edit] Trivia

The "Skull & Lightning Bolts" logo used on the car in the film's Death Proof poster is inspired by the the "Skull & Chopsticks" logo used in the international kung fu comedy TV and DVD series known as Kung Faux, as can be seen here at the Kung Faux fan site known as BentoBox.TV, after Director Quentin Tarantino met successfully with Kung Faux creator Mic Neumann to discuss working together in the future on the Dragon Dynasty brand of kung fu related film, TV, and DVD projects during the production of the film "Grindhouse".

One of the cars in Death Proof is a white 1970 Dodge Challenger R/T, the same model and make seen in the 1971 car chase classic, Vanishing Point. Another vehicle presented in the segment is a black 1968 Dodge Charger, similar to the one seen in the Steve McQueen film, Bullitt. Ironically, both cars were similarly seen together in the TV film remake of Vanishing Point.

In Death Proof, the car that the second set of girls are first seen in are painted in Kill Bill colors (yellow with black stripes) and Kim's character's cell phone ringtone is the Nurse's Whistle from Kill Bill (according to the script).

In the 2 Minute and 22 Second-version of the theatrical trailer for the movie, when advertising Planet Terror, an electronic thumping can be briefly heard at 24 seconds into it. The electronic thumping is similar to the kind heard as a part of the theme to John Carpenter's The Thing.

Robert Rodriguez specifically wrote the part of Dakota for Marley Shelton after working with her on the Customer is Always Right segment of Sin City.

Rose McGowan stated in an interview for Fangoria magazine that she shot her scenes for Planet Terror while filming Charmed, resulting in her having to miss filming part of the climax for the series. She also stated that for her role in Death Proof, she had to audition for Tarantino though already signed on with Rodriguez's portion of the film and that she convinced Tarantino that her character should be blonde, to which he agreed was a good idea.

Quentin Tarantino makes a brief appearance in the Planet Terror segment of the film.

Nicholas Cage makes a cameo in the Rob Zombie helmed faux trailer Werewolve Women of the S.S. as Fu Manchu.

In interview for Wired Magazine, Robert Rodriguez stated that he took scenes from Sin City and From Dusk Till Dawn, digitally degrading them and adding new music to convince Tarantino into using digital filmmaking to recreate the desired appearance of outdated film stock. However, Tarantino still shot his segment on conventional film.

In Planet Terror, the score music played during the scene where a zombie is creeping up on Dr. William Block with a bone saw, is the same exact music from Escape from New York, when Snake Plissken runs into the Chock Full'o Nuts to hide from the cannibals coming up from the sewers.

Since this section has become a breeding ground for uncited information that no contributor is bothering to add into the actual body of the article, I've exported it to the talk page. Feel free to re-add anything relevant into another section with a citation. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 03:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fake trailers contest

In a contest to create your own fake trailer, an entry entitled Hobo With a Shotgun was the winner and will be featured in Grindhouse as well.

Well, that's all well and good, but are there any sources confirming that this fake trailer will be featured in the film? (Ibaranoff24 19:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC))

It's said to be playing in Canadian cinemas, and I can confirm that it was playing in mine. (Rishi B 10:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC))

It was not featured when I saw it (ATL,GA,USA.) I stayed until the very end of the credits to make sure, and nothing. [67.34.24.11]--tminus 6:12, 9 April 2007

[edit] NC-17 Rumor

According to the press junket interview with Quinton/ Rodriguez found here: the NC-17 report was a rumor and nothing more. Here's the quote:

Last week there was talk that you were having trouble with the MPAA.

QT: "No, that's a complete rumor. I mean it was a complete rumor. They hadn't even seen it when all ::this stuff was coming out."

RR: "It was such a good rumor that we were actually disappointed we didn't get it -- maybe we weren't ::good enough to get an NC-17." [laughter]

I think this merits a change in the wiki article, yes? --Hoovernj 00:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

If you read Entertainment Weekly's latest article, they did have to chop out a chunk of the film to appease the MPAA, in particular Eli Roth's trailer.--CyberGhostface 01:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiling to much...?

I know there's a spoiler warning but the plot section of both movies tells the entire plot, from start to finish, in one paragraph. They tell how the bad guys die. It just seems like a little TMI. 24.124.29.130 05:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, I think this entire page needs a BIG spoilers warning; because had I seen rthis page prior to seeing the film(s), I'd have been exceptionally angry, as they were a total surprise and not at all what was presented in the trailers. Magicflyinlemur 07:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

it's an encyclopedia article, not an advertisement. the plot section (with spoiler warning!) is supposed to have the full plot. --dan 18:16, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

No its not. This is an encyclopedia. Only those plot points of encyclopedic value, i.e. notability, should be mentioned and discussed. This may include spoilers, but not necessarily every detail, or indeed every spoiler, of the movie.--ZayZayEM 01:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation for use

Alain Bielik. "Grindhouse: Pistol-Packing VFX", VFXWorld, 2007-04-06.

Visual effects coverage; enjoy. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 19:38, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Death Proof chronology?

Under plot description, the Austin segment is assumed to take place before the Tennessee segment. In the movie, Stuntman Mike drops photos of the girls from the Tennessee onto the road before killing the Austin girls. Does Mike have a scar during the Tennessee segment? I assume the scar came from the final scene in the movie and that the Austin segment is Mike's revenge against some women who resemble the ones who messed him up. 24.240.36.48 01:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Huh? I never got that; I'm pretty sure the pictures he drops are of the three girls he kills, not of the TN girls. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

You know... although he did have the scar in both, that's an interesting way to look at it. That means he doesn't die and get punched out by a bunch of chicks. I hated that part.--Snake Liquid 05:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Quentin Tarantino is known for his non-linear timelines. My interpretation of it, is the second part of Death Proof was chronologically first. The car he chose to drive was not as beefed up. He was not near as cool and calculating as he was in Austin. He was not at the top of his game... yet. I am pretty sure (but not 100%) that the pictures on Stuntman Mike's visor were of the girls from Tennessee.

I know that during Planet Terror when El Wray and Cherry are in the truck, the DJ on the radio refrences Jungle Julia's death. So Planet Terror takes place after the first segment of Death Proof at least. I know we are talking about Death Proof, but I just wanted to point this out. --tminus 6:04, 9 April 2007

[edit] Actual title of Death Proof

Okay sharpe-eyed Tarantino fans, what is the original title of "Death Proof"? It flashes on the screen for about 1 second as a title over the image, but is then quickly replaced with a plain white on grey title card. Surprised that no one has caught this yet and made note of it in the article RoyBatty42 06:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe it was "Thunderbolt" Jbluez27 20:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Geraldo Rivera in Planet Terror

I really don't think so. Someone's been messing with the article.

I second that, I just saw this and I definitely didn't recognize Geraldo.134.84.103.21 08:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stacy Ferguson in Death Proof

I know that I saw Stacy Ferguson listed in the opening credits for Death Proof as one of "The Girls", because that's why I looked it up. I'm not really a Fergie fan, and I wouldn't really recognize her if I saw her. Who was she in Death Proof?--207.119.46.109 02:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

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