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Contents 1 Actors presents 2 Suggestions for improving the article 3 Peter Pettigrew has a 'cameo' in this movie 4 I already saw this movie in November! 5 Run time? 6 Influence on British film 7 GA comment 8 GA 9 Vandalizing Spotted on Page 10 Re-scheduling 11 Screenings 12 Confirmed scenes 13 New pics released for HP 5

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[edit] Actors presents

The short video of OOF seems to present Timothy Spall and possibly Adrian Rawlins in the scene where the photo of the first order of the phoenix is took. It is Emma who talk about the scene.. Do somebody have a confirmation?

See the below conversation. Unfortunately, there's no official confirmation, even though I believe that to be Timothy Spall too. It's a no-can do for now. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 04:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions for improving the article

Currently, I would congratulate those who've made the article well referenced, but if you'd like to get this article listed as GA or FA maybe, I'd advise to take the information and start turning it into prose. Currently it is a giant list. I may want to have a go but right now it'd be difficult, considering the many multiple cites. I'd also advise no taglines. Wiki-newbie 20:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this page is huge and most of it is a cast list of even the most insignificant characters (Look at the one for "Slightly Creepy Looking Boy", which even has it's own reference) and a list of scenes infered from the casting or other sources. Wikipedia is not an indescriminate collection of information. I know there's a lot of junk pages about pokemon out there but that doesn't mean this page should list every single actor in every single scene...I think it needs a bit of pruning to be considered good or featurable.Simondrake 00:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I was actually on my way to posting on the talk page, having just returned from a brief Thanksgiving vacation. I agree that

• the page is not written in prose for the most part, and that it is listish.
• the taglines should go; they were added just before my departure and I wasn't sure how to handle their removal.
• the sections on "confirmed scenes" is starting to get a bit long. I was planning on suggesting the removal of the section. It was originally created a while ago when just a few scenes were known to be included, but now with a trailer and some extra footage released of the film, the list could go on for a while; I'm thinking perhaps just the "cut scenes" should be included.

The thing about "Slightly Creepy Boy" is that he may actually be a real character from the books whose name Warner Bros. didn't know at press time: he's in the D.A. and he wears Ravenclaw robes, and "slightly creepy" matches the description of Michael Corner. So, thanks for the compliments on the references (it took a while to track down all of those pages). I've actually been trying to find a GA or FA that's a movie whose structure might mirror that of this article's, but have been dreadfully busy (and have forgotten too…). I think this article, though, is definitely going to go through a big revision soon. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 01:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the confirmed scenes section as there seems to have been no opposition on the talk page. The original purpose, when just a few scenes were known to be included, no longer serves its function. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 01:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Pettigrew has a 'cameo' in this movie

Timothy Spall who portrays Peter Pettigrew in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, and Goblet of Fire, can be seen in this movie when Sirius Black is showing Harry Potter a photo of the original order of the phoenix. If one goes to here and then pauses at 16 seconds you can see him in the left-hand corner of the shot. Should he now be added to the confirmed cast-list? Scouse 13:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I saw this too; however, I think we should wait for "official" confirmation, better than our own eyes, to reference this. Good spotting though! --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 15:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that the picture of that shoot present in www.veritaserum.com proove that Timothy Spall and Adrian Rawlins are back for a cameo (Adrian Rawlins always did cameo in Harry Potter movies except for the last where he is talking).

Here is the link of the usb picture adress: http://www.veritaserum.com/galleries/albums/ootp/tvspecials/2006-12-abcpreview/ootp-order40.jpg

How do you know it's not just a really good look-alike? Until there is written or verbal confirmation from reliable sources (as in not your own eyes), the answer is a strict no. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 20:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I already saw this movie in November!

Did anyone else see the movie yet? I didn't think so. Mewtwowimmer 05:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Nope, and unless you saw a special preview because you have connections inside WB, it was unauthorized. Besides, the film didn't even finish filming until December. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 05:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. KathzzZz^{cHat | siGn heRe} 07:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Owned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mechasam (talk • contribs) 04:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Run time?

Any hard info on how many minutes for the movie? HP5 is by far the thickest of the six books, so far. HP2 book was way thinner, yet some litte kids wet themselves when the movie was shown without interruption (owing to great lenght and partly scary scenes). I do not think it is possible to make a meaningful HP5 film without splitting it in two 90-minute episodes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.70.32.136 (talk) 11:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

Well, David Yates commented in October he'd shot about a 3-hour film and that approximately 45 minutes would have to be lost. No official info yet. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 21:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

apparently previews are currently running at 2 hr 30 min. Sandpiper 18:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Influence on British film

This could be used in the article, although I'm not entirely sure where. HornetMike 15:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA comment

Since the film has yet to come out, its unlikely that it will be passed as a GA since it could become unstable as the film gets closer to its release date. Also, once it reaches its release date there will usually be multiple edits by the hour of people who just saw the film and want to add to the plot, details they heard, and other information (most likely lacking sources). I would recommend waiting for the film to be released and to keep the article at the high quality it is at right now and then renominate it. I believe the current GA Snakes on a Plane was nominated before its release and was immediately failed for that reason. Somebody may pass this article for its good quality but I just wanted to comment on waiting until after the release. --Nehrams2020 03:53, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. I did anticipate that, but was hopeful that perhaps the quality of the article would supercede any stability questions, and that if the article suddenly becomes shaky after the release of the film it would receive a review. However, for a good solid five months at least, the article is probably safe from anything drastic. I hope that when the movie is released it could maintain the status by being closely watchlisted, which is what I do, for one (I've bookmarked the RSS feed to the page's history). --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 04:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA

{{future film}} This will not be a GA, because it hasn't been released, and has this tag. To add to that there is an Unconfirmed cast list which make the article not accurate, half the article is a list of cast, several one sentence paragraphs. Still things to be added like, reviews, reception, profit, awards etc. Just wait until it's released to re-nominate it, person above also makes valid comments. M3tal H3ad 05:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalizing Spotted on Page

I'm going to remove the obscenities on this page. I don't know how to fix the coding but I'm sure someone here knows how to. I just wanted to let everyone know. 28 January 2007

Well, someone got there before I even fixed the page. Nevermind.

[edit] Re-scheduling

Rumor in Hollywood is the HP5 movie will be rescheduled to October 2007 to avoid lost patrons due to 21st July coming of the HP7 book. Other option is to send JKR a bloody horse-head in an attempt to convince her withhold the book until pre-Xmas season 2007. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.70.32.136 (talk) 13:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC).

Oh really? Please provide links to reliable sources that prove your assertions. Who is saying these things other than you? Did you make this up out of thin air? Do you live in Hollywood, or perhaps work in the executive offices at Warner Bros, and this is the panic-driven consensus reached at an emergency meeting of the Board of Directors? Let us know so we can verify your assertions! --T-dot (Talk | contribs) 11:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Screenings

Should information on the recent screenings be reported as well as publically surveyed opinion based on the test screenings? (Four of them were recently done in Chicago with articles on Mugglenet.com and HPANA and just about everywhere else.) --Thanks, Yossi842 23:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Yup, I saw the news about the screenings. However, as none of the information is verifiable, and as it's clear it's not the final product of the film, it's best to leave this info out for now. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 04:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confirmed scenes

I'm not sure but we might be able to put the confirmed scenes in back again. APAD 10:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, there was never a question as to whether they were unverified or not. Every single one of those scenes had a citation. However, the reason they were removed, and will stay removed, is because it was unencyclopedic -- too "fan"-centered and less "big picture"-centered. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 14:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

A very good point, so much of the Harry Potter pages are swamped in unencyclopedic information put in by fans. The confirmed scenes section was not appropriate, all it did was please the fans to know their favourite scenes from the books would be in the film, it had nothing to do with encyclopedic information about the film.Simondrake 14:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Of course, that doesn't mean it wasn't cool information. You can see what scenes were known to be included at the last revision this section was included in, here. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 17:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New pics released for HP 5

[1] Let's add some of them to the article? Maybe the one with harry kissing cho chang =D Berserkerz Crit 20:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, butfair use images like these cannot be used decoratively. You might want to read the relevant policy. Sure, they'd be nice to add, but it doesn't help Wikipedia's purpose of being a free encyclopedia. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 20:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok just thought to let you guys know. But IMO adding the harry-cho kiss picture is not for decorative purposes only, but will show harry's first kiss in the series. =) Berserkerz Crit 23:39, 31 March 2007 (UTC)