User talk:Hassocks5489

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Contents 1 Welcome! 2 Brighton railway station 3 Infoboxes 4 Wow 5 License tagging for Image:Westbury Station.png 6 Severn beach pics 7 The Rail Picture 8 Welcome to WikiProject Brighton 9 Referencing 10 Churches of Brighton 11 DYK 12 Spoken Article Reviews 13 DYK 14 Pronounciation 15 Weymouth spoken version 16 Spoken articles 17 Coronation Street - Featured Article Candidate 18 Audio problems 19 Question from Pyrotec (moved from my user page) 20 DYK 21 APTIS 22 Vandalism on my userpage 23 DYK 24 Expansion of WP:BAH - your opinion, please.

[edit] Welcome!

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[edit] Brighton railway station

Hi, and thanks for your message. I've replied at my own talk page, to keep the conversation in one place. :) – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 12:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes

Hi, I see youve been adding infoboxes to ticket machine articles. Unfortunately you seem to have mistaken how Infoboxes work, The idea is that they are created in the template namespaace and then, using parameters displayed on the article page. I don't know whether you have been adding the code for the infobox individually to each article or using Subst to include an already created infobox but either of those are wrong. A good example would be my work on PC magazines. I created the template Template:Computer Magazines which I then added to all of hte related article (eg Micro Mart) using the code {{Computer Magazines}}. That way the code only existys once but appears on loads of different pages! If you need any help creating the template and adding it to pages then please let me know. --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 13:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Damn I forgot to sign that first comment - odd! anyway. Yeah what you have done now looks good, exactly how it's meant to work. Because you had copied the designs into the pages they got listed into the Infoboxes category - which isn't handy (thats how I found your mishap) :D but that is fixed with your changes. It all looks fine.

I'm glad I could help --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 13:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC) <- see signed this time!

[edit] Wow

Wow. Nice job with IndyCar Racing. I bumped it up to start, and when all the info in the categories you added are taken care of, I think it will be a B class, and eventally maybe a good article. I can honestly say this is the most improvement of a GCotW I've seen in quite a while. Keep up the good work.--Clyde Miller 22:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] License tagging for Image:Westbury Station.png

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[edit] Severn beach pics

You sir, are an absolute star! Bjrobinson 14:24, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Rail Picture

Hassocks5489,

Thanks for your pictures of railway stations as they are really useful.

I have placed a few in the rail template box for aesthetic reasons. Your descriptions can still be seen if you hovver over the pics.

Ideally all 2,000-odd stations will have pictures on Wikip, so keep on keeping on !!!!

Ta very much again !

Whohe!

[edit] Welcome to WikiProject Brighton

It's great to have another member! And your interests seem very relevant. Itsmejudith 14:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Unisouth 15:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Referencing

Thank you for all your work on rail and ticketing articles. Can I please implore you to cite your sources though, you must be getting all this detailed information from somewhere! 09:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your comment. On reflection, there may be a problem for me to overcome here. Essentially, I have built up a core of knowledge about "New Generation" ticket issuing systems over the past few years through a variety of sources, including partly (although, I must stress, far from exclusively) through personal observation through my ticket-collecting hobby. For the past 4½ years, I have written a column about the latest developments in British railway ticketing in the monthly Journal of the Transport Ticket Society, probably the longest-established and largest such society in the world (there is a sample copy [here http://www.transport-ticket.org.uk/pdf/sample.pdf], which shows the contents of my column from that month, as an example). Sources for the info I write about include personal observation and the findings of others, TOC press releases/website info, internal BR documents (manuals, code lists etc), the manufacturers' own websites (Shere, Scheidt & Bachmann etc), and many others. Unfortunately, there isn't really one definitive published source in the "normal" sense (books/peer-reviewed journals/articles etc.) for me to cite.

A lot of info about National Location Codes has come from internal British Rail publications; likewise with Station groups (fares manuals and the ATOC website have been the main sources in these cases), but again these require interpretation and explanation to take them to a useful encyclopaedic "position", as it were (from a situation where only somebody with in-depth knowledge of the railway network and its terminology can understand the published references).

The TTS Journal does have an ISSN number, ISSN 0144-347X, which I suppose confirms its status as a genuine printed periodical (?).

Obviously, with regard to the monthly column, I don't want to be in violation of the "Citing Oneself" paragraph on WP:NOR ("This policy does not prohibit editors with specialist knowledge from adding their knowledge to Wikipedia, but it does prohibit them from drawing on their personal knowledge without citing their sources. If an editor has published the results of his or her research in a reliable publication, then s/he may cite that source while writing in the third person and complying with our NPOV policy"). I hope I am not, but would like to have some advice or opinions.

In conclusion, it would be very unfortunate to lose these articles, as they represent important (if quite specialised) current developments and states of affairs within the "British railways" topic; but finding published work that can substantiate my own knowledge is potentially difficult in some cases, and I would appreciate some guidance from anybody with the appropriate experience. Hassocks5489 13:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Churches of Brighton

Hi Hassocks - I have some news on this front. Please see WikiProject Brighton. --Vox Humana 8' 14:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and link repair.--Vox Humana 8' 20:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Well done on the St. Bartholomew's article! That's really excellent. It will probably need work done on it, but that's inevitable. Still, there's much more to be done. In case you haven't already got them, I would advise you to buy The Buildings of England: Sussex by Nikolaus Pevsner and The Thousand Best Churches of England by Simon Jenkins - its sister Thousand Best Houses is also excellent.--Vox Humana 8' 13:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, can we please stick to the format "Church of (saint), (place)" when naming articles? It just makes for easier browsing and whatnot... --Vox Humana 8' 14:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Great work on the St. Paul's article. BTW, can I become a proper member of the Brighton WikiProject, considering that I live in commuter-belt Surrey?--Vox Humana 8' 23:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Definitely; please do! I noticed when browsing around the other day that one of the other members is from even further away...! Just add your name to the list, and the userbox in your userspace. Hassocks5489 09:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that. Anyway, I'm joined now.--Vox Humana 8' 10:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Good work on Church of St. Paul, Brighton, by the way - I think that this is really excellent - before I started using this account in November, we had absolutely nothing in the way of church articles! I hope this won't stop for some time. I may be coming down to Brighton over Easter - I will try photographing the interior of St. Paul's and St. Peter's, plus St. Michael's - I might also try to get replacement shots of St. Bart's interior, as the ones you've used have got a bit too much camera shake for my liking... The two John Loughborough Pearson churches in Hove (St. Barnabas' and St. John's) will also be on my agenda. St. Joseph's RC, Good Shepherd in Preston Park and St. Patrick's could also feature. --Vox Humana 8' 15:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, I've seen your work on the St. Nicholas article - that's really excellent! Great photos, too... what type of camera do you use?--Vox Humana 8' 15:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 17 February 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article New England Quarter, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Majorly _{(o rly?)} 17:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoken Article Reviews

I've replied on my talk page, to keep the conversation together so that others might benefit from it. -- Macropode 12:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 4 March 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Bartholomew's Church, Brighton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--BigHaz - Schreit mich an 02:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronounciation

Hi Hassocks!

I've just created an article and I suspect there's plenty of people who would mess up the pronounciation of the name. It's about Whuppity Scoorie, a Scottish celebration in Lanark, Scotland so ideally I'd be looking for a Scottish Wikipedian to do it but if that's not possible I would like help from a British Wikipedian. Could you help me out or recommend another Wikipedian? Since you're more familiar with the Spoken Wikipedia project you probably know more people who make sound files than I do. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I have replied at Mgm's talk page here, to keep the discussion in one place. Hassocks5489 13:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's just a quick note that I'm about to reply on my talk page. :) - Mgm|^(talk) 13:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

		Terrific job!
		You've done an excellent job on the Whuppity Scoorie recording. You deserve a barnstar for your effort. - Mgm 21:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Weymouth spoken version

Nice work on the spoken version of the Weymouth article! Its a great advantage for any article to have a non text version, especially featured ones. I hope that you continue your excellent work on WikiProject: Spoken Wikipedia. Yours, Rossenglish 15:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Ross, and well done on helping to create an excellent article which was a pleasure to record. I chose Weymouth for my fourth spoken article as I wanted to contribute something from the field of UK geography, one of my favourite topics, and it was the only UK urban area that (at the time) was -status, as far as I could see. (I notice Sheffield is also now, and I hope to record it soon.) Incidentally, I visited Weymouth for the first time last September, and although I saw little of it - just using it as a stopping-off point on a five-day trip around Britain - I found it a very pleasant and lively place. The article certainly makes me want to go back and visit again! Cheers, Hassocks5489 20:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoken articles

If I want someone with an American accent for a spoken article job, then who do you recommend? - Mgm|^(talk) 11:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mgm - thank you for awarding me the Barnstar, and it was nice to see Whuppity Scoorie Day appearing in the "Did You Know?" feature the other day! Regarding Spoken Wikipedia project members with US accents, I would recommend any of the following, who have been active recently: (I have linked to their talk pages)

• WODUP
• CBDroege
• Persian Poet Gal
• Rahzel
• SCEhardt

SCEhardt is one of the project leaders. There is also a "Requested spoken article" template Template:Spoken Wikipedia request, which you can place on the talk page of the relevant article; but you can't specify any accent or other preferences unless you add it separately afterwards, and you will probably get a quicker response by asking an American Wikipedian directly. Good luck! Hassocks5489 13:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

• I couldn't find any of the files SCEhardt had done, so I took a look at the others. I found CBDroege's work of a particular good quality so I asked him and he just replied. Thanks for your help. P.S. Persian Poet Gal's file has a really low volume. Perhaps you can advice her on how to fix that? - Mgm|^(talk) 05:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• I think I can expand one of the Jack the Ripper letter articles. Could I tempt you to do a spoken article on such an article if I work on fixing it to the best of my ability? - Mgm|^(talk) 18:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's fine; just leave me another note when it's ready and I will record it as soon as I can. Hassocks5489 08:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coronation Street - Featured Article Candidate

I thought I'd let you know that I have put Coronation Street forward as a FAC, hopefully it will be promoted back to FA status. Why not pop along to the FAC page and have a look? Ben 14:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Audio problems

I've recorded two audio pronunciations. One I did in the standard Windows sound recorder before converting it to .ogg with an online utility. The other was recorded and exported from Audacity. Do you have any idea why my VLC Media Player refuses to play the Audacity-created file? Did I do something wrong when I exported it? - Mgm|^(talk) 18:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi MgM; I'm afraid I can't help you with this one, but I have copied the question across to the Spoken Wikipedia talk page here, where one of the other project members may be able to help. Hassocks5489 09:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question from Pyrotec (moved from my user page)

Hi Hassocks5489,

I've just seen the note that you added to the APTIS talk page. It caught my attention as I'd just started updating the APTIS article this morning (and possibly soon I might do the same on PORTIS) as I thought they were both rather thin on detail. Ticketing is not really my area of expertise, but I remember these two systems coming in the Strathclyde PTE area. I was more interested in the (London Underground style) 'Stored Ride' Automatic Revenue Protection system that was trialled in Scotland on the Gourock/Wemyss Bay lines, and later in the London area, that was abandoned when open stations and APTIS/PORTIS came in. I could not find much on the ARP stored ride ticketing systems although Gourvish (2002) quotes some official BR file numbers; and I've just got hold of some railway magazines of the right era. Do you have detailed info on the stored ride ticketing system? Pyrotec 15:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Pyrotec; replying here, as mentioned at your talk page. I'm not familiar with this system myself, although I have a feeling I (or other TTS members) may know it under another name ... I have just e-mailed one of my friends in the society, who will probably either know or be able to advise me who does know! I suspect the era is approximately late 1970s-early 1980s...? Could you briefly describe the appearance of the tickets, as well? Hassocks5489 22:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I started travelling that line Easter 1979, so they were there then. They were removed one Sunday and soon afterwards APTIS/PORTIS came in. This also ties in with the one man operation DOO working: the Strathclyde Manning Agreement in 1985? There was a national 3 month rail strike over getting rid of the second man (Fireman) from DMUs & EMUs. The tickets were plain blank (matt dayglow?) yellow Edmondson sized tickets with a magnetic strip on the back, down the centre longways. They were bought from the ticket office as, I half remember, 1, 2, 10, 20 or 50 journeys between two destinations, in adult or child validity. The two destinations, the number of journeys and the A or C (might have been M, F or C) were dot matrixed on the front, possibly as a thermal print. They were used to operate a turnstile at the start and end of the journey, which read the ticket, displayed how many journeys were still left; and then updated the ticket. The ticket was returned except for the very final exit when it kept the ticket. Sometimes the turnstile failed to read/write correctly and then the tickets had to be taken back to the ticket office; they could always read/write them.Pyrotec 18:13, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Hassocks5489, I have an update from the Railway Magazine, (RM), 1972 on Stored Journey tickets. R.M. April 1972, Barriers and encoding machines made by Litton Revenue Control Systems, Wembley. R.M. January 1972, describes them as Automatic Fare Collection. A notice was posted at Glasgow Central of the forthcoming installation on the Glasgow to Gourock & Wemyss Bay lines. System expected to be fully operational by May 1972. Prototype installed at Paisley St James in March 1971.Pyrotec 20:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi again Pyrotec; I will pass this additional info on to my friend (he hasn't replied to my e-mail yet). I may be able to put a note in next month's TTS Journal as well, to throw the question open to the whole society. Hassocks5489 08:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Did you know? was updated. On 21 March 2007, a fact from the article History of rail transport in China, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--ALoan (Talk) 16:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] APTIS

Hi Hassocks5489, I read your comments on APTIS talk page and I am making some changes. Railway Magazine, gives the last Edmondson-type ticket as having been issued on 29 July 1988, at South Merton, to Keith Smith. He apparently collects tickets. It will not surprise me if he is a member; or someone provides evidence of a later issue.Pyrotec 18:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Pyrotec; thanks for your comments here and at the talk page, and your continued updates. I suspect the "Keith Smith" could be one of the co-authors of the railway route books in the Middleton Press series, which describe stretches of route in detail with photographs, maps, illustrations of tickets etc. If this is the case, then one of the books in the series, "Lines Around Wimbledon", could have some mention of the South Merton issue. I remember the hearing the Whitby story as well. I'll see if I can find out more from other society members - I have sent an e-mail to one tonight. Hassocks5489 22:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism on my userpage

Hi Matt, thanks for the alert. There's a story behind that one... You know, last summer, I'd made myself unpopular with some page moves which made common sense but some bullying admins decided it wasn't appropriate. I got an indef block for it. A few months ago, wanting a clean break so I could contribute to Wikipedia, but having forgotten about the block, I created this sockpuppet account. I was immediately blocked (but not before I'd created Church of St. Peter, Brighton). After months of arguing, I got unblocked. The bloke who vandalised my page and photo earlier then got up on his high horse, saying that I shouldn't have been unblocked! Now, isn't that hypocritical?--Vox Humana 8' 22:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, by the way, unless it's more convenient (i. e. fewer characters) to call me Vox, please feel free to call me by my name, Richard! :-) --Vox Humana 8' 22:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Meanwhile, here's a full list of what I've found he's done in the way of vandalism lately:

[1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7] plus changing my userpage image from a photo taken by my dad to this)--Vox Humana 8' 15:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 29 March 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Church of St. Paul, Brighton, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 16:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion of WP:BAH - your opinion, please.

I have had the idea of expanding and renaming WikiProject Brighton to become WikiProject Sussex - this would not exclude people with a particular interest in, say, Chichester, Arundel, Worthing, Midhurst, Pulborough, Billingshurst, Horsham, Crawley, East Grinstead, Haywards Heath, Lewes, Eastbourne, Hastings, Rye, Winchelsea, etc. - all places worthy of a WikiProject - and I'm not sure that having WP:BAH as a sub-project of WP:Sussex would work. I feel that we are being too exclusive - we could attract new members this way. What do you think? - Vox Humana 8' 17:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback - your proposition certainly seems sensible. I shall at some point copy the various responses I get to WP:BAH's talk page. - Vox Humana 8' 13:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)