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Contents 1 Australian Collaboration 2 Map Inaccurate 3 The stolen generation 4 Recently found data

[edit] Australian Collaboration

The collaboration covers the entire History of Australia series. If you contribute to other articles in the series as part of the collaboration, please list them below to ensure they are reported at the end of the fortnight. --Scott Davis ^Talk 00:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I've started by cutting the chronological series up as decided earlier. We now have History of Australia before 1788, History of Australia (1788-1850), History of Australia (1851-1900), History of Australia (1901-1945) and History of Australia since 1945. I've not moved any of the external links or references across, although since none of the references were pinpoint-style I haven't broken anything. It'd be nice now to a) get the links and references and such transferred to their proper new articles, and b) to create lead sections and such for the new articles. Rebecca 01:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The "old articles" were History of Australia before 1901 and History of Australia since 1901, just to help people find what they had that needs to be moved. I've put a banner and explanantion at the top of pre-1901, and deleted the sections that had clearly been moved out. --Scott Davis ^Talk 01:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

The series was WP:ACOTF from 2 July 2006 to 16 July 2006

• about 8 contributors made about 28 edits to the main article, plus edits and restructuring of the chronological series
• See how the summary article changed

--Scott Davis ^Talk 15:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

May I ask, about the discovery of Australia, was there not French Explorers coming into Australia but Australia was already claimed by the British Settlement?

[edit] Map Inaccurate

The changing map in the middle of the page is inaccurate. In 1859 when Queensland was established, its western border was at 141 degrees east - which was a continuation of the NSW border. In 1862 the border was moved west to 138 degrees east - that is its current position. I suggest the map be deleted or replaced which an accurate one. There are other not insignificant changes which the map omits, however, on this point it clearly shows the wrong border with the date at 1859.Alan Davidson 13:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I have alerted the authors, Chuq for the original map and Astrokey44 for the animation. --Scott Davis ^Talk 14:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, I'm sure I remember that border being in the correct position before. Maybe my source was correct but I made a graphical transcription error when creating my version. I'll endeavour to fix it, though I may not get around to it soon, feel free to either have a go yourself, or hassle me about it again in the future. -- Chuq 11:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

After a little research, I believe there should be 13, not 6 maps to represent the changes. In fact there were more - but a couple occurred during the same year. I have placed the correct history on the page. 60.226.76.41 01:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I have updated it to include these, except for New Zealand since it is not already shown on the map, and it is the history of Australia after all. --Astrokey44 05:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The map is excellent, so I have changed the corresponding text. However, as New Zealand was part of NSW until 1840, it is part of the history. Alan Davidson 22:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The new map is very good. But I believe there should be three (or four) more iterations. First it should show New Zealand; although not part of Australia now, it was part of New South Wales until 1840. I would thus include the islands of New Zealand from the beginning - in yellow - and then change it to its own colour in 1840. Second, In 1846 there was a colony of North Australia from February until December. Although short in time it did exist. Third (and fourth) in 1926 the Northern Territory was divided into North Australia and Central Australia. This was reversed in 1931.Alan Davidson 09:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

It seems, from Declaration of the Independence of New Zealand, that New Zealand was only part of New South Wales until 1835. There are other Australian territories also, such as Territory of Papua (1902-49, and possibly part of Queensland briefly in 1883), Territory of New Guinea (1920-49), Territory of Papua and New Guinea (1949-72) and maybe the Australian Antarctic Territory, plus islands such as Norfolk Island. By the way the map on [1] describes the area between South Australia and Western Australia near the nullabor plain 1837-59 as 'no mans land' - is this correct or was it part of New South Wales? I am working on the other changes.. --Astrokey44 11:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

To be entirely accurate the following would need to be added for the mainland territories. 1911 - the Federal Capital Territory (FCT) is established. 1915 - the Jervis Bay Territory is added to the Federal Captial Territory. 1938 - The FCT has its name changed to the Australian Captial Territory. 1989 - Jervis Bay Territory is separated from the ACT to form its own separate Territory.Alan Davidson 09:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

In relation to the comment that NZ was only part of NSW until the Declaration of Independnce of 1835 - I think that declaration made the position muddy. I doubt that the British colonial office would have recognised it. Indeed in 1839 there were new letters patent making NZ part of NSW; in part to clarify the position. Perhaps that was even a significanr factor in the people of NZ wanting certain status - which led to the 1840 treaty. I think it is best to leave the islands of NZ as part of NSW until 1840. Alan Davidson 09:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I have remade it to include New Zealand, and some of the other changes suggested at the failed fpc --Astrokey44 02:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work!--cj | talk 02:25, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks great! I almost didn't want to mention it after all the work you have done, but wasn't PNG a territory of Australia at some stage? -- Chuq 02:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! yes... actually this is the short version. I made a long one with PNG and the other territories shown, but the thumbnail has trouble displaying. --Astrokey44 10:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I feel like I am stirring the pot, but what about Macquarie Island and Lord Howe Island :) -- Chuq 01:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought about including Macquarie Island because it was interesting that it was transferred from NSW to Tassie in 1890, but it is practically uninhabited, and would be distracting. Lord Howe Island doesnt really need singling out - it would be like other various islands that are off the coast that are too small to show at this scale - Great Keppel Island etc, and it doesnt have an ISO 3166-1 code, unlike the other territories shown. --Astrokey44 00:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

It looks absolutely fantastic. However, in 1863 the land annexed to South Australia (now known as the Northern Territory) became part of South Australia. Indeed from 1901 until 1911 the citizens had representatives in the lower house and the Senators also represented them. Today the Northern Territorians who want statehood point out that they lost their state rights in 1911 and became second calss citizens. What I mean is that South ustralia is one all the way to Darwin. Alan Davidson 11:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

but it was often called the northern territory of south australia [2]. I did make them the same colour, what if I took out the line but left the writing "northern territory", or changed it to 'northern territory of south australia'? --Astrokey44 12:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

My understanding is that it was colloquially refered to as the northern territory (small 'n' and small 't') and only formally become the Northern Territory ('N' 'A') in 1911. I think the whole area was South Australia. There are some maps which refer to it as the northern territory of South Australia - but for all purposes, voting rights etc, it was part of South Australia. There is a map from the National Archives showing this. Alan Davidson 13:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have seen it depicted like that before. I have changed them to show an enlarged South Australia. It does make it easier to see that NT was part of SA then; otherwise you might assume it was separate. --Astrokey44 02:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I showed the map to a colleague who, as a Queenslander, pointed out that Queensland Day is 6 June as that is apparently the founding date. The Wikipedia page agrees with that date. Your date is 10 December. Alan Davidson 03:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I noticed differences with the dates the colonies were founded: I think that it is some give the date the letters patent was authorised (in Britain), some give the date the letters patent was actually published in Australia when the colony was proclaimed - I think this is how it worked: they authorise the colony in England (6 June 1859 for Queensland) but it is not actually proclaimed until the documents reach Australia (see [3] - Sir George Bowen arrived on 10 December 1859 to proclaim the colony. I gave it as 10 December because that is what nationmaster gave it. I may switch it to 6 June since that is the more known date, but with some of them, for instance, South Australia, the date everyone remembers is the foundation day - South Australian letters patent authorised 18 Feb 1836, but Proclamation Day is December 28, 1836 --Astrokey44 04:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the new map is an improvement. Why don't you put it on the page - although I am unsure whether it should be the long or short version. Alan Davidson 05:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I put the short one up. perhaps it works better as a thumbnail? --Astrokey44 10:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the map meeds to be bigger than a thumbnail. Perhaps at least as big as the one on this page. Alan Davidson 12:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The stolen generation

In the context of general history of Australia - this section seems out of place. Wouldn't it be better to have "Relations with Indigenous population" or something like that. There were serious murders, a massacre and eradication of the Tasmanian aborigines which could be mentioned together. The stolen generation is a part of the bigger picture. 60.226.76.41 04:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recently found data

According to this book by Peter Trickett, Australia was first sighted by the portuguese in 1522, 250 years before the Dutch.

Here are more news links for sources [4] if anyone wishes to add this, please do. I am going on a trip, so... :) -Pikolas 10:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

We have an article about this, see Theory of Portuguese discovery of Australia --Astrokey44 10:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)