Template talk:Infobox WorldScouting

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TemplateInfobox WorldScouting is part of the Scouting WikiProject, an effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Scouting and Guiding on the Wikipedia. This includes but is not limited to boy and girl organizations, WAGGGS and WOSM organizations as well as those not so affiliated, country and region-specific topics, and anything else related to Scouting. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.

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Contents 1 Image 2 Wim! 3 Chief Scout problems 4 Logos in the template 5 Portal 6 Scouting

[edit] Image

I'm not sure of the purpose of this infobox, but you might want to switch the image to "Scoutsgreengoldnoscroll.png". --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Done, Ed, and what I intend to do (though it doesn't yet look right) can be seen at Afghan Scout Association. Chris 01:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wim!

Thanks, brother, you've done a great job! Are you familiar with Piet Kroonenberg? Chris 18:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the kind words. I don't know mr Kroonenberg personally, but I know of him. Not enough to do an article, though. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Chief Scout problems

At the moment, this infobox is used on both the WAGGGS and WOSM pages. This means that the top people in these organisations are labelled "Chief Scout". I agree these names should be in the infobox, but neither of these people are in fact Chief Scouts of the organisations. Could this be fixed somehow?

Also, in the template the chiefscout field desciption indicates 'name of president or equivalent'. Some organisations have presidents and Chief scouts (like The Scout Association). Could this be looked into as well? Thank you. Kingbird 17:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

• What do you wat, Kingbird? How about making the text 'Chief Scout or equivalent'? The template is about scout organizations and such, so I'd rather keep the Chief Scout denomination. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC).

Another problem: the WOSM entry has this template, too. Who should go there? I put B.-P., as the only World Chief Scout ever. But previously there was the chairman of the committee (who has no special role in WOSM).

Yet another problem: what about Guide associations?

My proposal: change to "head" or something as generic.

--Lou Crazy 01:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

There is no problem, merely a difference in interpretation. The 'chiefscout' field in the template is intented to list the current head of the organization. As this template is about Scout organizations and similary entities, this is often a Chief Scout. To make the template more generic, I added 'or equiv.' it. And the World Scout Committee it the executive board of the WOSM, so the chairman of it is the person intended in this field. He does not need any special role other than being the head of the organization. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 19:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC).

If the field is to list the head of an organization, then "head" is a better term. Chief scout is wrong with respect to all guide associations, and a "president" is not equivalent to a chief scout (that's why so many associations have both roles). For WOSM, let's discuss it in the WOSM page. --Lou Crazy 23:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The head or president or chairman or chief or whatsoever. It being a Scout subject, the heads are typically known as Chief Scout or equivalent, which is exactly as it is reading now. So not only the issue of the WOSM is solved, in my humble opinion it is generic enough now. Thanks for pointing this opportunity out, and for suggestion the improvement. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 23:19, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

It isn't generic enough yet. Unless we want a separate infobox for guide organizations, we can't use the word "scout".

Look at it now... --Lou Crazy 23:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

• Nah, don't like it. But I'll let other decide, otherwise we'll wind up reverting. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 19:16, 9 October 2006 (UTC).
  • I have added an optional field chiefscouttitle where you can add any title of your choice. See AGESCI and WAGGGS for a really heady implementations, or The Scout Association for default behaviour. And it's only used when chiefscout is available too. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC).
    • Sorry I haven't been able to contribute in the last few days. I think the solution is better than anything I would have suggested. Thank you for getting this sorted out so fast. Kingbird 01:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It looks perfect now. The solution you used for AGESCI and WOSM looks OK. I'd just add a note in the comments, if you don't mind. --Lou Crazy 01:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Logos in the template

I tried the template on AGESCI and the logo was rescaled badly. What can be done about it? --Lou Crazy 23:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

• Don't use GIFs. They scale badly. See the same file as PNG in the article now. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 19:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC).

Didn't know that. I'll add a note in the comments. --Lou Crazy 01:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal

Why don't we add the portal to the bottom of the box? --evrik ^(talk) 02:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• Yes, why don't we? I don't know, so I did. ;-) Wim van Dorst (Talk) 18:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC).

The text Portal: Scouting is difficult to see on the olive background. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

• True, it is the default link colour. I don't mind it being a little low-key. There's always the real Portal button in the See Also section. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 23:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC).
  • We don't use the portal box when we use one of the Scouting infoboxes. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 23:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
    • We don't? New to me, Ed. I tested Gilwell Park, Scouting, Boy Scouts of America and Scouting Nederland and always found both the infobox (right top), and the portal button (in See Also). Wim van Dorst (Talk) 16:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

From Wikipedia:WikiProject_Scouting#Templates: Scouting Portal: Please put this on all article main pages in the See also section unless it uses the BSA box, which it includes it. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

What about if we were to put the actual portal box right inside the info box, so it would show up and would automatically be transcluded? Chris 19:21, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

You can't include the template of the portal, as it will show all wrong alignment (tried it). Instead I emphasized the link of the portal, equivalent to the portal button, and I added the logo. As we chose the colours of the infobox to be similar to a colour of the logo, that part doesn't show up. And personally, I think that logo here overdone. Unless you all start yelling here that it is excellent, I'll remove it again. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

That looks pretty good now. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:35, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Scouting

I think this should show Scouting in each type name instead of Scout. Thus Scouting campsite, Scouting organization, etc. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 14:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

• edited. Now, especially the Scouting Organization comes out very wide in my browser, wrapping to two lines. How is it on the other screens? Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC).
• added 1/17th of an em, now it fits. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 21:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

Looks good. Thanks for listening to my nitpicking. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)