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Contents 1 Expenditures 2 Renamed to "Japan Self-Defense Forces" 3 Reorganization 4 Operating Budget? 5 Popular Demand? 6 Women in the JSDF? 7 Equipment section 8 Plagiarism 9 Project Assessments 10 Uniforms, Ranks and Insignia section 11 japan goes nuclear 12 Military Secrets Law

[edit] Expenditures

Is the money that is spent for foreign forces in Japan included in the stated expenditures of USD $42.6 billion/year? –Hokanomono 16:41, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Renamed to "Japan Self-Defense Forces"

The official English translation as given on the Japan Defense Agency website. Please note that most Japanese adhere to the American English convention (refer American and British English differences). --Travisyoung 15:47, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reorganization

I've broken the intro down into sections to make it easier to read and moved some of the images around a bit. I'll get around to writing seperate articles for each branch Real Soon Now. I've temporarily used an image for the Japanese flag in the table. Does anyone know if the Japanese Defense Agency or the JSDF have a logo? A quick search of the JDA website doesn't seem to show any. --Loren 21:22, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Operating Budget?

There is a discrepancy between the operating budget shown in the Article 9 section and the budget shown on the right panel. Anyone know which one is correct? Irfanh 16:28, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

I just checked the World Factbook and it states $45.841 billion (2004). I'm going to go ahead and change the figure currently posted in the Article 9 section from 42.6 billion to 45.8 billion. If anyone has any reservations or explanations for the discrepancy, please feel free to change it back and explain why. Thanks. Irfanh 16:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

IIRC the JSDF budget is limited to 1% of Japan's total GDP. Since Japan has a pretty large GDP, this still translates to quite a lot of cash.-Loren 19:41, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Popular Demand?

Was the nation's disarmament really following the wishes of most citizens as the article says? I'm very *unfamiliar* with Japanese society and history, but it seems unusual the majority of the people wanted something but the government ignored it. Even with unpopular decisions there is usually a sizable group pushing it.

Liastnir 22:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

It would be tough to get reliable statistical data on that question, as Japan was under Allied occupation at that time (util 1952) and they wouldn't have sponsored any research that might indicate the population was against their policies.

But I don't think it is unrealistic to assume that the population had enough after 9 years of war and so much destruction and loss of life. Mkill 23:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Was there a referendum, polls, something...? I doubt it. I think it's just yankee propaganda. They were in control of the country and made their will, which was to crush to the root any possible and future resistance and/or militar adventures. They radically changed their culture. And, it worked... now Japan is again an USA puppet.

[edit] Women in the JSDF?

Hey there. I was led to believe that women can serve in the JSDF, so shouldn't the table at the top of the page have figures on the numbers of women available for military service? As the population declines their role in society is becoming more and more important. Or are there no figures on women able to fight in the JSDF because they haven't been compilated? John Smith's 01:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe the main reason we only have figures for males of military age is due to the fact that in most countries only males are subject to compulsary service in the event of a draft (the details of which in Japan I am not sure of). Additionally, most of the statistics from the military articles are from figures compiled in the CIA World Factbook which only includes males reaching military age. You're more then welcome to add info on women in the SDF if you can find it, though I had quite a bit of difficulty just trying to find its current size (current data is from the early 1990s). -Loren 03:23, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Equipment section

I'm removing the Equipment section of the main JSDF article as it simply provides a very general listing of weapons types, and is rendered redundant by the more detailed overviews provided in the articles corresponding to each individual service branch. Perhaps in the future the main article could have an Equipment section devoted to information such as arms suppliers, domestic arms industry..etc. -Loren 20:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plagiarism

Large portions of this article are plagiarized from Globalsecurity.org, country-data.com, and possibly other websites. This is a real mess. See [1], [2] and [3] for these sources. I am considering reverting to a version from October 2005, before all of this plagiarism. Rhobite 21:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Check Library of Congress - Country Studies - Japan. It's public domain. All pages you found "stole" from there, too. There is no mess and no need to revert. --Mkill 21:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, there is no need to remove the text from the article but it should still be cited properly. Each copied paragraph should have a footnote, or there should at least be a large boilerplate note on the article that the bulk of the text is copied from the LOC's study. Rhobite 21:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

As you might have noticed, I already replaced the boilerplate that somebody deleted. Thank you for helping, citizen. --Mkill 21:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, actually the citations were in all the time, you would have just needed to click them. Well, I don't care. --Mkill 21:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

There is no citation in the entire "Missions and Deployments" section, which seems to be copied verbatim from the LOC report. Rhobite 23:34, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

The original boilerplate was accidentally deleted by me when I was adding the footnotes, which is in no way the fault of Mkill. If you're going to blame somone for it you might as well blame me. Or better yet we can all get off our moral high horses, quit passing the blame around, and actually work to fix the problems in this and other articles. -Loren 00:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Rhobite 01:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Project Assessments

This article is clearly long enough and detailed enough to warrant B-ranking. It even has a good number of in-line citations. The intro needs some expansion though, I think. The unique identity of the SDF as a result of Article 9 needs to be touched on in the intro. It's a very important point to distinguish it from the military of any other country in the world. LordAmeth 09:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The official change of the Defense Agency into the Defense Ministry has undoubtedly had a profound effect on Article 9, but the exact information is currently unspecificed outside of the Japanese media sources. Please make a note of this before commenting on the "unique identity" of the SDF in the article as things seem to be changing very quickly. In addition to this, will the entry for Japanese Defense Agency be retitled to Japanese Ministry of Defense? Choeki 15:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uniforms, Ranks and Insignia section

This section was a bit outdated as it described the appearance of the original uniforms which were phased out before 1970. There have been at least three revisions to the appearance of the dress as well as the field uniforms for all three branches. Actually, the information in detail about just the current uniforms alone probably ought to be made into a seperate entry. I will work on this later as I have a great deal of official publications as well as Japanese language references that would be excellent (if difficult to cite) in the production of such an entry. -Choeki 00:19, 02 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] japan goes nuclear

it's no secret to me that japan has alot invested in nuclear weapons but it seems that due to the american bias of english language articles, it has not been mentioned. http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/japan/nuke/

"Despite the nation's status as a major world power, Japan eschewed responsibility for regional defense. Having renounced war, the possession of war potential, the right of belligerency, and the possession of nuclear weaponry,..."

They have renounced their nuclear weaponry. Other than speculation, we cannot prove it.

[edit] Military Secrets Law

The article states that there is no military secrets law, but recent developments seem to point to an SDF Law that meets the the same or similar purposes according to this article:

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20070217a5.html - "Colonel targeted on suspicion of defense info leak"

Should the article be changed to reflect this? There doesn't seem to be an entry in the (English) Wikipedia on whatever the SDF Law is regarding operational secrets. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Choeki (talk • contribs) 06:27, 17 February 2007 (UTC).