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Contents 1 Tribute removed from article 2 Most intently studied? 3 Garcia the Beanie Baby 4 Family Stuff 5 Jerry Garcia Band 6 Legacy 7 Phil Lesh, 2005 8 Tapers?? 9 subpar 10 I agree, Sub-par. 11 What is up with last name??? 12 Years active? 13 Accidental amputation 14 POV 15 Copy edit 16 Last Will and Testament of Jerry Garcia 17 Django Reinhardt influence 18 Birth Location? 19 Collaborations? 20 Problems With Article 21 References

[edit] Tribute removed from article

Removed from article:

His legacy left more on this earth than a set of designer ties and tasty ice cream flavor. His music has inspired thousands upon thousands of humans to get together and enjoy life. His playing was more than a string of notes placed in a rythymic sequence, it opened the minds of listeners across the world. His death was one the most tremendous losses to the music world. His body is dead, but his music is reborn every time a new person catches the melody from a distance and can't help the urge dance or join in singing. Fare thee well.

This is very touching and also expresses my own POV but I'm sorry to say that per our NPOV policy this cannot be in the article proper. It's fine here though - many people will still read it. --mav 20:08 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Most intently studied?

From the article:

He has become one of the most intently studied musicians in history.

Really? By whom? Do we have a reference on this? Has he been studied more in the last 40 years than, for instance, Mozart has been studied in the last 200? --P3d0 02:17, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

     How many musicians do you know from the last 200 years?  Mozart tribute orchestras?  Compared to those who study Zappa?  It's a lot easier to study Garcia than Mozart.  Good point, I can't dispute it, but I think the statement is totally inaccurate but you could do a lot better than Mozart.  Green Day is more studied than Mozart.  

Ok, now it says "one of the most studied 20th Century rock musicians". I still don't buy it. Can't anyone find a reference for this? If not, we need to delete it. --P3d0 02:43, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

I've played with many,many guitarists for over 20 years and I don't recall one of them citing Garcia as an influence-- the "most studied" comment has to be over the top. --TW

There have been numerous examples of Grateful Dead related graduate thesis, Dead lyrics and subculture studies at the University of California Berkeley and Santa Cruz campuses (see one of the links in this article). Also note the discussion pages on www.archive.org's Grateful Dead link. Name one other contemporary musician who has virtually every live performance (approximately 2500) as free downloadable material on the internet, with ongoing discussion posts over a particular performance of a particular song on a given night 28 years ago. Musical tastes of TW's guitar buds notwithstanding, I think this certainly qualifies Garcia as "one of the most studied" rock musicians, especially when using the 21st century frame of reference as an internet encyclopedia well should. --MTC

[edit] Garcia the Beanie Baby

Hey, the "Beanie Baby" article mentions it... shortly after Garcia's death, in one of those bizarre footnotes whose surrealism he would have appreciated, Ty, Inc. introduced a tie-dyed bear with the birthdate of August 1 (Jerry's birthday), 1995 (the year of his death), apparently by way of tribute. The poem on the bear's tag read:

The Beanies used to follow him around / Because Garcia traveled from town to town / He's pretty popular as you can see / Some even say he's legendary!

The Garcia estate, led by Garcia's third wife, filmmaker Deborah Koons, successfully quashed production of Garcia the Beanie Baby as such; Ty renamed the bear "Peace," changed the tag poem accordingly, and added an embroidered peace symbol to the bear's left chest.

I'll leave it to someone else to comment on the official Jerry Garcia dolls made by Liquid Blue, numerous of which now hang in shop windows up and down Haight Street....

-- Gwyn.

He was one of my greatest heros.

[edit] Family Stuff

A little project for someone more knowledgeable than myself... If this is an article about J.G. as a person, and not just as an icon, there should probably be something in it about his long-term relationships (e.g., Mountain Girl, Deborah Koons, others) and mention of his children.

By the way, Deborah Koons Garcia is one helluva film maker.

-- M.C.

[edit] Jerry Garcia Band

Can anyone please write some more about Jerry Garcia Band? Thanks.--Amir E. Aharoni 08:06, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd think the JGB oughta get its own page. MSherrick 05:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Is the Gloria Jones who was in the Jerry Garcia Band really the same person as the Gloria Jones to whom this article's mention of her is linked, (the former partner of Marc Bolan)? That page has no mention of that Gloria Jones' affiliation with the JGB.

for sure Jerry Garcia Band oughtta get it's own page, why does it redirect? Iamnobody2 08:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Someone, (perhaps you?), should write a JGB article then. BruceHallman 21:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I've created the Jerry Garcia Band article. If you think you can expand and improve it, you know what to do. -- Mudwater 01:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Legacy

can someone substantiate the last paragraph there about the Jerry tribute that Phil didn't attend? IMHO, most of the rest of the article is quite well written and as close to correct as something like this could be...and that ending just ruins it. MSherrick 05:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

• http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/2005/10/27/lesh.html
  • When Lesh opted not to participate in last month's "Comes a Time" benefit/Garcia tribute, all-star concert in Berkeley, California, reports of friction with ex-Dead mates Weir, Kreutzmann and Mickey Hart (all of whom performed at the Berkeley event) ran rampant online. "It was a scheduling thing," Lesh insists. "My son went away to college and we had all kinds of family things going that week." --Moeron 19:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the link Moeron, that sentence definately stays! Wikipedia CAN work :) Go figure :) Tom 00:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phil Lesh, 2005

I have edited the article regarding attendence of 'Comes A Time'.

[edit] Tapers??

I remember reading a while back that Jerry was traveling around the country taping bluegrass shows in the early 60's when he was trying to learn how to play banjo - In light of the subsequent effect that the taping policy of the Dead and Jerry had on the music and community surrounding it, I thought this might be important.

Also, what IS the story with that last line about Phil and Hunter and the tribute? someone? anyone?

UncleCheese 04:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] subpar

this page is subpar. we need less talk about ice cream and more about what the man did in his life. i feel like im not qualified but I think there has got to be someone out there who can do a little better than this.? -- This unsigned comment was added by Iverson157 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] I agree, Sub-par.

I kindov expected his article to be longer. The fact is that JG had an extensive career in music and art that isn’t covered in depth here. Also, this mentions that he started playing "Hillbilly" music... there’s no such genera! "Blugrass" is a good label, maybe even "grass-roots", but "hillbilly" is not a type of music. Didgepenguin

[edit] What is up with last name???

Its Garcia. Period. Thanks--Tom 17:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I moved the page back, change all instances with the "í"; I have several GD books, including the Garcia biography by Blair Jackson, and this isn't the case. Also, jerrygarcia.com and dead.net have no instance of an "i" with an accent. Unless a better source than these can be produced (doubtful), it should stay "Garcia". -- moe.RON ^{talk | done | doing} 18:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad to see we're back to no accent. I'm no expert or even a deadhead, but I don't see why a native english speaker would bother with accents. Alcuin 19:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Looking at the history of the page, it turns out the change had been initiated by User:Gaudio; this wasn't his first accent heavy change, though. See User talk:Gaudio#Accent marks as well as a lengthy and amusing discussion at Talk:Jennifer Lopez#Diacritic accent mark on her last name. -- moe.RON ^{talk | done | doing} 19:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Even if the accent mark was present on his actual name (I don't know), WP articles are based on musicians' (and actors' etc.) stage names, not their real names. And Jerry's stage name (from all album credits, etc.) was clearly Garcia without any accent mark. Wasted Time R 13:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Years active?

Is it really true that Garcia was active from 1950? If so that would mean he was active from the time he was eight years old (which seems highly improbable, though possible) I think this should be looked into and corrected if applicable. --Patking90

[edit] Accidental amputation

According to the "American Book of the Dead," half of Jerry's finger was amputated when he was five, not four as stated in the article. Being a total newbie, and not wanting to mess with a page like this, I thought I'd pipe up here soliciting input first. --SLCFD876 22:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV

I have removed this sentence:Of course Garcia's greatest legacy, besides the millions of people whose lives he touched and the thousands of hours of music he left the world, is the Jam band scene the Dead spawned- as it is pure editorializing. There is more where this came from. Levi P. 06:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copy edit

I did a little bit of copy editing. Does the intro really need to talk about his missing the tip of his finger?? Shouldn't this be lower in the article?--Tom 00:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Does this article really have ZERO referrences? Even by Wiki standards, that seems strange? I would like to see any unsourced/original research material removed. Any thoughts? --Tom 00:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I have his biography by Blair Jackson as well as some other Dead books, but I haven't gotten around to doing this or the main GD article yet with references because I know it will be a massive undertaking. Do what you think is best. -- moe.RON ^{talk | done | doing} 00:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Moeron, I respect your edits and look forward to your work on this. I am a bit surprised, I guess I shouldn't be, that this article has NO references. I hate to say it but the whole artilce should probably be nuked..oh well..carry on! --Tom 01:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Last Will and Testament of Jerry Garcia

We wish to advise everyone that we (the Living Trust Network) have a copy of Jerry Garcia's Last Will and Testament posted on our website, which we believe is of interest to anyone seeking information about the life of Jerry Garcia. We have also discussed our desire to post a link to Jerry Garcia's Last Will and Testament with Wikipedia administrators [See User talk:Livingtrust], either under "references" or "external links." Last Will and Testament of Jerry Garcia. Wikipedia does not object to the link but has requested that we not put the link up ourselves since we are a commercial website. Instead, it has requested that we make it known that the Last Will and Testament is available, and anyone who wishes to add the link to the "reference" section or the "external links" section may do so. So, we solicite your help in adding the link set forth above. Thanks. Livingtrust 02:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• It would help our editorial decisions if you could point us at other publications which have written on this subject. We are restricted in how we present unpublished material by the policy on Verifiability. --Dystopos 02:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Don't add - I am sorry, but I am against adding it here because of WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided #3 and #9. Looking at Livingtrust's recent contributions, this isn't the only article he is doing this too. This just blares out to my eyes that he wants the links "added to promote a site", in this case, Living Trust Network. Even though it is providing non-service to people, it is still serving a purpose. Under #9, the website would be considered a "social networking site," and it doesn't really meet the expections listed for me in order to add it here. -- moe.RON ^{talk | done | doing} 03:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
    • You're correct about the policy on external links. I was referring to article content. If the topic has merited attention in reputable publications, it's only fair to provide the same information here. --Dystopos 03:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, I just looked on Google, and Jerry Garcia's Will seems to be a public record and is available from many sources. BruceHallman 16:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Django Reinhardt influence

Django was one of the biggest influences on Garcia.

[edit] Birth Location?

Infobox says he was born in Mexico City. Text of article says he was born in San Francisco. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ichabod (talk • contribs) 09:56, 9 Nov 2006 (UTC)

It is San Fran. I will change it. -- moe.RON ^{Let's talk | done} 18:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Collaborations?

Jerry had long standing guest appearances on numerous albums of other musicians...not the least of which was Bruce Hornsby, which put Jerry alongside Bela Fleck on a few tracks (to name but one combination). It seems to me that exploring these in a SEPARATE category than the SIDE PROJECTS category (obviously those side projects were much closer to Jerry's core as a musician) would help to offset the ice cream, the necktie, and the Jim Breuer references...sure, Jerry is a part of pop-culture, but can't we come up with more to say about his musical contributions (those pop-cultural references really ought to be tiny nibbles on this article, as it is they dominate it).

[edit] Problems With Article

The wiki for Jerry Garcia needs to be streamlined. Anyone who reads the page from start to finish can see that certain members have "added" information to the page without reading what was put in ahead of them. When I have more time I might do this myself but I thought that maybe someone of more scholarly interest in Garcia would be a better candidate. Over all I would say the Article and it's subheadings need to be unified and need to enforce each other, but not repeat what has been said.

Bulk needs to be removed with focus on the "Legacy" section. Seems a well intended member added that before reading any of the article.

-Tehcarp

[edit] References

Feel free to throw in a reference where you feel one needs to be. All of them are very important. AngulaR 08:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)