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Contents 1 Paradox 2 Image of Juggernaut 3 Unstoppable 4 Appearances in other media 5 Exiled 6 SHB pic 7 Healing factor? 8 This is the first time I've seen a good picture on this article 9 Juggernaut pic vote 10 Informal 11 External links

[edit] Paradox

Is it worth mentioning the comic book nerd paradox of "what would happen if the Unstoppable Juggernaut ran into the Unmoveable Blob? While most of us agree Jugernaut's magic power overrides the Blobs.... this paradox is often time used by X-Men buffs to define a super powered paradox.

[edit] Image of Juggernaut

That's a pretty lame picture of Juggernaut. I believe it would be worth considering obtaining a better one.

Remember the Picture of the Juggernaut before this one? Where he is on top of a car and is smashing it? There were mountains in the backround? Can we change it back to that one? That one is the best pic of the Juggernaut.

[edit] Unstoppable

I think if you are going to use a term like "Finally, while moving, he could, essentially, not be stopped" a brief discription of those circumstances in which that statement has not been true should be included. ie by an Apocalypse enhanced Hulk as War II. This has been done in other charecter discriptions notably The Blob.

In the X-men 3 movie it was stated that once he has any momentum, nothing will be able to stop him. What do you suppose will happen if Juggernaut should jump of a building? His momentum will be directed downwards. Will the earth be able to stop him from falling? Just a thought. 155.232.128.10 08:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Appearances in other media

The statement that his powers in X-Men: The Last Stand are nearly identical seem's stupid to me. He display's unstopability, but not nearly the range of strength, durability, stamina, or such that he has in the comics. I think it should be removed.67.48.102.11Juggy#3

The Juggernaut B*tch paragraph doesn't seem notable enough to be of mention here, it almost seems like some people just trying to "promote" their lame video. It's poorly worded too, please stop adding it over and over.

ElCapitanAmerica 21:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Just type in the title into google, its everywhere. I have nothing to do with that vid and yet i keep seeing it pop up all over the web. that's like not mentioning the Chuck Norris Facts on the chuck norris page. -(Brodey)

Let's see how well-known it is after a while. It's fairly new right now. --DrBat 23:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

i agree, not only is it lame but also not really informative in any way, keep removing it

Nobody is trying to "promote" anything here. It has become very popular and you've just been unfortunate not to have heard of it. - user:Madame Arsenic

It has has over 2 million views on YouTube alone. It's noteworthy

It is extremely notable, many, many people know the catchphrase "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" Just google it and see for yourself. Senner 22:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Well it would seem that small animation parody has received enough notoriety to receive the attention of Hollywood. As anyone who has seen X-men 3: The Last Stand will tell you, this infamous internet quote has made its way into mainstream film media. It is shown in a scene involving Kitty Pryde whilst stuck within the floor thanks the Kitty, Juggernaut shouts “Don’t you know who I am? I’m the Juggernaut, B*tch! Some might go far as to say that this is the sole purpose of juggernauts involvement with the film as far as I can tell he did little to nothing to progress the story - Peter Ryan

This video I think is worth mentioning its another internet meme right up there along with Numa Numa and the starwars kid I vote for a keep Xaios 07:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I also recommend giving this more mention. This, along with [Snakes on a Plane], is a clear example of internet culture making its way into mainstream culture. That is certainly noteworthy. The Taped Crusader 07:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't beleive people kept removing this mention from the page? "The Juggernaut bitch" became quite the internet phenom. Its even tributed in the latest film! Duhon

Yeah - I watched that and I was like "did they actually copy that? Wow - cool." GreenReaper 06:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

The original author should be alerted to the fact that 1. ebonics does not exist, ebonics was, nay, is, merely a feeble attempt to alleviate an academic ailment plaguing inner-city students, or more precisely, african american inner city students, by, in so many words, deeming their dialect as another language altogether. This is both utterly assinine and offensive. 2. Even if one could rationally apply such a label to urban vernacular, let me assure you this display of endless obscenities is not ebonics, urban dialect, or black dialect, and to give, or succumb to, the impression that our, at times, unconventional speech is simply obscenities and misogyny is offensive and ignorant. May I suggest the actual exploration of a culture and traits therein before speaking, mentioning, or attributing anything to said culture. Especially short-lived, antiquated, ignorant, foreign concotions which try to define said traits, i.e ebonics...

p.s. exploration of our culture does not include, BET, MTV 1 or 2, VH1, UPN, WB, or anything broadcast on television, radio, or produced in a studio... 68.48.90.208 08:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)Employee 022784

This is great. So many people were complaining about having this in the page about how it's irrelevant and lame, but then it appears in the movie. They must be crying their eyes out

I agree. This is for all you dumbasses who said that the movie based on the Juggernaut wasn't important enough to put in this article. They put it in the fucking movie. You lose. Thanks --MadameArsenic 21:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

So that you know, someone has altered the film entry with a comment in such a way that normal frequenters can't edit it out. It basically tries to negate the article. Might want to check that out.

[edit] Exiled

Is this really notable enough to appear in the article? It's not really important enough for the characer, and it seems out of place next to the rest of the article's flow. --DrBat 22:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

i think its really funny, sorry to be the party pooper for elitist comicy convo but it really made me giggle and it is really popular online. i think it should have a meantion but im not going to go and cry if it doesnt lol

This article looks bad

"ultimate juggernaut"

"but has apparently left the brotherhood team for parts unknown." this is not correct juggernaut was imprisoned after ultimate war mini-series and escaped when Shield was transporting him

[edit] SHB pic

This Asamiya pic is awful, we cannot even see the character. I do not like the Miguire pic as well but even so, is much better than Asamiya's. —Lesfer ^(talk/@) 20:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Healing factor?

In an episode of the animated series, When Juggernaut is de-powered, Xavier sends the X-men to go and reclaim the ruby that powered Juggernaut in the first place to give him back his "superhuman healing abilities" so that he wouldn't die. Question is, think this can be counted as evidence for a healing factor? Should it be listed among his special abilities?

The animated series isn't part of mainstream Marvel continuity. I don't know if he possesses some form of accelerated healing powers. The picture in the article displaying the Juggernaut reduced to a living skeleton would imply that he does, but the villain in the picture with him is the demon D'spayre, who feeds psychically off of fear and..well despair. I don't have the issue in which the confrontation takes place but I believe that the Juggernaut's mind was being tampered with by D'spayre. I might be wrong, if I am then someone please let me know. Cases involving the Juggernaut being injured are few and far between. With the exception of his encounter with Onslaught, I'd never seen the Juggernaut sustain any injury. He's been injured since his depowerment but as to how quickly he heals, it's up in the air. It's something that hasn't really been focused on, at least not to my knowledge. Anything put in the article about a "healing factor" would probably be more speculation than anything else at this point. Odin's Beard 00:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

he did have a healing factor during his unstoppable juggernaut period, i can't recall exactly where the picture is from but i do believe i've seen it and it's not depicting a mental scene. In the first few issues of x-force, shatterstar cuts juggy up, most notably apparently putting out his eyes. He quickly heals. (shatterstar has mystical blades, so some sort of mystic attack may be the common ground for damaging cain) Impulse 02:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

That was from Juggernauts fight with X-Force, I believe it was X-Force #3. Shatterstar stabbed him in the eye, and within moments his eye was completly healed. It should also be mentioned that within his One-Shot, he was burned down to a skeleton and healed in moments.67.48.102.11Juggy#3

It was in X-Force #4, I found the old issue. The character, Syrin, managed to pull the Juggernaut's helmet off after Shatterstar used his swords to sever the mystical link binding his helmet to his armor. Shatterstar commented that his sword was forged by a combination of the science and magic found in the Mojoverse, then he started to cut up on the Juggernaut a bit and he did heal quickly. Odin's Beard 23:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Juggernaut flat-out states in that issue that the magic flowing through his viens heals him. It also shows blood flowing of his eye and then, in moments, a healed eye. I have a picture.204.110.228.254

[edit] This is the first time I've seen a good picture on this article

All the other Juggernaut pics had some deficientcy in them. (Either he was throwing dirt in front of his face, or he was realy small in the pics).--P-Chan 22:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Juggernaut pic vote

No one can seem to agree, so i think we should have a vote for the main pic. But instead of me just posting some pics, feel free to add your own and then we'll vote. (it's not on wiki but check this one out too.) Don't be afraid to post a pic in the gallery tag, and we can start the vote on Monday June, 12. Exvicious 21:58, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Juggsexcal.png (holding rock) --Facto 00:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Pat Lee Dstorres

As I've often had quoted at me, so I quote at you: m:Polls are evil.

And I've removed the gallery per WP:FU#Articlespaceonly.

Here's the criteria I use to determine SHB pics:

1. Follow the fair use criteria, especially the Images that cannot be fair use guidelines. These supersede all the following criteria. Also, source your images fully (including all applicable from issue/page/panel, scan source, web source) and give a fair use rationale.
2. Ensure that the picture clearly shows as much of the character as possible:
   • The ideal image is a full-body, three-quarter picture of the character standing straight with no background, with a facing-the-camera or profile picture as the next-best.
   • If a full-body shot is unavailable, the picture must show the whole of the head and torso (or the equivalent for non-humanoid characters).
   • Visibly contorted poses should not be used under any circumstances.
   • Pictures which hide significant areas the character in shadow should be avoided (exceptions apply only where the shadow is itself part of the character's look - e.g. Raven.), as should pictures where blur or distortion effects are applied.
   • Colouring should be neutral - pictures which have a heavy colour cast, or otherwise depict the character with false colours should not be uploaded unless the cast has been removed first.
   • Heavily stylised art should only be considered for use when the character is closely associated with the style to the exclusion of less extreme styles.
3. Pictures which have more characters and/or objects than the subject of the article should only be used if the subject is the most prominent object - editing the picture, by cropping, obscuring and/or painting out the other characters may help to ensure this.
4. If the character has a clearly-defined primary costume (e.g. Superman), a picture of this should be used. Otherwise, the most recent ongoing costume of the character should be used.

- SoM 04:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's great. I understand the guidelines, but how would you stop an edit war dispute without a vote. All that will happen is they'll keep switching until they break the 3RR or one of them gets bored. Exvicious 22:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Informal

I believe that the X-men: Evolution bit of the Television section is far too informal, this is the text:

Juggernaut also appeared in the X-Men: Evolution series, voiced by Paul Dobson. This version was Xavier's half-brother, a mutant whose powers were awakened by the Cyttorak gem. The gem was said to hold special properties that enhanced and evolved mutants. In this series, his strenth and intelligence are greatly underestimated. Sure, he can throw tanks and other vehicles around but that is the top level of brawn exhibited in the cartoons. Also, he speaks in a drawl that is associated with thick people. He does seem to be affected by pain but he normally shrugs off the blow and continues fighting. He is not by any means unmovable because he was blasted by Cyclops when he ripped of his visor and gave Juggernaut his full power. However, Juggernaut then waded through it after the first inital wave. This might mean that he is not impervious to attacks but instead adapts to and then develops a stronger defense to perils.

There's also a few misspellings in there. --Damuna 03:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I do not believe the external link "A complete Juggernaut Bio" which links to http://www.thejuggernaut.means.it/ is appropriate on this page. It is neither complete nor does it have any useful information not already on the wikipedia page (it is just 1 page of an incomplete biography with many advertisements). Instead I suggest "The Unstoppable Juggernaut Homepage" at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/main.html. Despite whatever prejudices you may have about Geocities pages, I find this page to be surprisingly complete, not to mention fun to read. 129.97.233.57 21:37, 11 January 2007 (UTC)