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I'm getting a bit puzzled by this article. There has been attempts to add hoax articles on non-existent creoles, see Scottish-Gaelic creoles. I did find an article which was not a Wikipedia mirror, but looking at it carefully in places it suggests it may be talking about Cajun. Is there really such a dialect spoken in Louisiana, or is this just an alternative term for Cajun, or is this a complete hoax? Comments from people who know more than me about Louisiana or linguistics would be helpful. PatGallacher 13:23, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Ethnologue considers Cajun French and Louisiana Creole French to be separate languages. Granted, Ethnologue is known for considering things to be separate languages that other people consider to be dialects of the same language, but I'm willing to believe them on this. I do think Louisiana Creole French would be a better name for this article than Kreyol Lwiziyen, though. I'm moving the page to Louisiana Creole French. --Angr (t·c) 13:38, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

• (I tried to post this at Talk:Kreyol Lwizyen but it had disappeared. While I agree with a move, this seems a little precipitous for something that's supposed to be under discussion. No one except Ethnologue calls it "Louisiana Creole French" to my knowledge.) I don't think this is an alternative term for Cajun. Cajuns are largely rural whites speaking a variety that their ancestors brought down from Canada. Creoles are largely descendants of West African slaves speaking a decreolized French-based variety somewhat like (but distinct from) Haitian Creole. It is listed in Ethnologue under Louisiana Crole French, and I think Louisiana Creole (language) would be a better main entry here, with a redirect from Kreyol Lwiziyen, which is just an idiosyncratic spelling of the Creole pronunciation of Creole Louisienne. A print reference is: Valdman, Albert, Thomas A. Klingler, Margaret M. Marshall, and Kevin J. Rottet (eds.). 1996. The Dictionary of Louisiana Creole. Bloomington, IN: Indiana University Press. rodii 13:52, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't object to a move to Louisiana Creole language (with no parentheses, since standard language article names don't have them). --Angr (t·c) 17:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Maybe Louisiana Creole (Kreyol Lwiziyen), as the template has it, is a good solution. rodii 17:48, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't like that at all. The title of the article itself shouldn't give variants in parentheses. I like it best under its current title, but I won't object to Louisiana Creole language. --Angr (t·c) 21:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

OK, no problem. I think we can agree that either is better than the original title. rodii

As for whether anyone but Ethnologue calls it Louisiana Creole French, the following are just a few of the non-Ethnologue, non-Wikipedia links I got by Googling "Louisiana Creole French": [2], [3] (called "the Louisiana Creole French tongue" at first reference, "Louisiana Creole" thereafter), the paper by Margaret Marshall cited at [4] (which itself just uses "Louisiana Creole"), [5] (once, several other times just "Louisiana Creole" on the page), [6]. My general impression is that "Louisiana Creole French" is considered the full name, "Lousiana Creole" the short name. Louisiana Creole is a dismabig pointing here; I'll make Louisiana Creole language a redirect. --Angr (t·c) 21:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)