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WikiProject Louisville To-do list for Louisville, Kentucky: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • Compact this article somewhat by moving content into existing sub-articles and creating new sub-articles.
  • Culture
    • Cover nightlife.
    • Cover the plethora of art galleries (include mention of the Gallery Hop, a monthly event with growing popularity).
    • Cover "Local myths and legends". Cover things like Waverly Hills Sanatorium, Pope Lick Monster and the supposed invention of the cheeseburger in 1934, even though it was actually invented in Pasadena, California in the 1920s.
    • Cover local bands and musicians, discuss diversity of music. Also discuss undeground music scene. I can be contacted for information, as I am not a good editor, but would be happy to supply knowledge about the underground scene. Contact me at drunkrabbit22@yahoo.com
  • List Louisville's firsts and special achievements in one spot, perhaps in a sub-article. One resource for this: [1]
  • Cover Louisville's public libraries and other educational aspects beyond schools in the Education section.
  • I think talking about some of Louisville's suburbs would be nice. Louisville has many interesting, populous suburbs: Shively, Pleasure Ridge Park, Valley Station, Fairdale, Fern Creek, Jeffersontown, St. Matthews, Prospect, Anchorage, etc.
  • Ear X-Tacy and the branding of 'Keep Louisville Weird' and its relation to independent businesses would be nice.
  • The growing number of downtown housing projects would be nice to include.
  • The proposal of a light rail line and where it would be planned to go.
  • Maybe mention some of the shopping malls: St. Matthews, Oxmoor, Jefferson, The Summitt.
    • The first three already have articles.
    • The Bass Pro Shop in Indiana.
  • I'm always interested in reading about areas of rapid growth in or around cities. I would like to read about the rapid growth in East Louisville/Oldham County.
  • The jobs that are pouring into Bullitt County because of the expansion of the airport and Worldport.
  • I think the rapidly growing health care industry would be important to talk about. I know we found vaccines for cervical cancer here at the Cancer Center and made the first successful hand transplant.
  • Maybe include a map of the city of parks and the proposed ring of parks around Jefferson County.
  • The new proposal of the Ohio River Bridges and a redesigned Spaghetti Junction.
  • Maybe mention the proposal of a new airport in Oldham County to try and make the county more attractive for businesses as more affluent people locate in that region.
  • The expanding Kentucky Expo Center and it being the '6th largest venue of its kind in the US'. (I know I read this somewhere).
  • I thought I read where a women's football team played at Oldham County High School?!
  • With the arena, there are talks in acquiring a minor league ice hockey team once again.
  • Largest Pedestrian Only Bridge. The Big 4 Bridge!!!


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[edit] Nickname

"Satan's Foyer" 'is' an actual Louisville nickname in some circles. Evn ashe 01:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that's really just hearsay and we could generate an infinite number of supposed actual nicknames that way. See our policy on verifiability, you'll need to cite a reliably published source saying that nickname is of some meaningful level of usage. --W.marsh 04:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Edit war: IP dude and Stevietheman, knock it off please. You keep changing the spelling of one of the nicknames back and forth, and I really can't see that it's making much of a difference. You're both way past the three-revert rule and might be at risk of getting blocked if you keep it up. Chill! Hersfold 23:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Ummm, hadn't you noticed this anon's vandalizing history? OK, instead of reverting, I will put a cite requirement on it, so it can be proved either way. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 23:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Ditto, it's strange that Hersfold did not bother to look up the IPusers vandalising history early-on. As a new user, I would suggest checking up on the user contributions for this vandal and 76.177.18.83. The latter has been blocked for a short time. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 23:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I did a Google search, and the Urban dictionary shows it as "Da Ville" without the apostrophe. Also, the vast majority of Google results using "da ville" Louisville -wikipedia don't include the apostrophe in the nickname. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 23:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Seicer, for your information, I did notice the vandal templates on the IP's talk page; they were rather hard to miss. However, I find it strange that an experienced user such as yourself doesn't realize that an edit war is just as damaging to Wikipedia as simple vandalism. Stevie and IP going back and forth took up half a page in the history log, and all over a single apostrophe. All we have to show for our efforts now is a semi-protected article. Wikipedia has been criticized in the past for it's protection policies, and edit wars such as this one don't help that at all. I'm glad that this is over now, however, and hopefully we can all go back to making useful contributions. Hersfold 23:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

If this was the first change by the anon, I would agree with you. I'm sad to say that, on this, you're off base. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 23:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Ditto. The IP user simply changed to a different address when blocked and continued to vandalise. I give no sympathy to vandals or those who support it. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 23:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tallest buildings

Why doesn't Louisville's aritcle have a tallest buildings section like other similar sized cities.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.128.200.135 (talkcontribs).

  • Well, we do, it's just located on Downtown Louisville (I think it was originally here?) I didn't do the move but maybe it should be mentioned here, in abbreviated form. I have added a link to the downtown article in the sentence about tallest buildings, for the time being. Thanks for the comment. --W.marsh 21:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 12/01/2007

In light of the frequent reverts today I have (semi)protected this article. Please discuss the changes here first, thanks/wangi 23:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The 'Ville and Da Ville

I thought I'd open this up as a new discussion. I had thought that "The 'Ville" refers to U of L more than the city of Louisville. And I thought that "Da Ville" was the urban/rap slang used for the city. Hopefully, we can wring this out somehow. We could also decide not to place any slang nicknames in the infobox. Any thoughts? Stevie is the man! TalkWork 19:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Well, as I recall there were 69 print references for "The 'Ville" (some referring specifically to rap artists), just 2 for "Da Ville" (and one was a misspelling of Cadillac Coupe de Ville). Maybe the CJ just doens't like printing "Da" but I dunno, that's why I went with "The 'Ville". There just doesn't seem to be a tremendous deal in print at this point... no one's really done a study of the usage of the term as far as I know. --W.marsh 21:02, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

From 1974 to 1988, Jefferson County had a net loss of over 50,000 people.

Louisville's metro area is outgrowing Lexington's by a significant margin (about 4,100 a year, or 41,000 per census), and is growing nearly as fast as Cincinnati's metro area.

Both of these statements of fact need citations... and I fail to find any fact to back them up. Anyone?76.177.18.83 02:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I added a citation for the first... the second I couldn't find anything for in a cursory search. I'd support removing it if no one else can find one... re-add when we have a source. --W.marsh 02:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I hope we will give this several days before removal. It takes a while to do research on some of these things. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 02:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Be careful with statements such as "Most long-time residents pronounce the city's name as..." this is very subjective. I replaced "most" with "many"(maybe even "some" would be more appropriate). Statements of fact need citations.

Do you live in Louisville? If you did, you would know it's "most". Some facts are experiential in nature. Perhaps a reference will ultimately be found, but we cannot leave key information out when everyone who experiences Louisville knows it's true. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 17:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, there are many satements of fact throughout this entire article that seems to serve little purpose but to "puff up" this particular city for whatever reason... not very encyclopediac76.177.18.83 07:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Based on your prior vandalism and nonsense edits using two separate IP accounts, you really don't have much of a leg to stand on with regards to lecturing anyone as to what is encyclopedic. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 17:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
It looks as if the IPvandal continues to strike; today at urban exploration, the IPvandal continued. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 18:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

"I hope we will give this several days before removal. It takes a while to do research on some of these things." Isn't this backwards... shouldn't research be done BEFORE it's presented as fact in an article???76.177.18.83 08:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

That's what the fact tag is there for. We assume good faith with reasonable-sounding content. It is fair to let it sit for a while to give editors time to find a reference. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 17:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Primate City?

"Many geographers consider Louisville to be Kentucky's primate city" again, uncited... can anyone cite this? "Many geographers"? Who? Where? Firstmost, the term primate city normally refers to cities within a country, not a state and secondly with Lexington being a hub of the state in many capacities one can certainly not view Louisville as "unrivaled"(per the wiki Primate City entry).76.177.18.83 08:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a typo in the Article, Louisville is the 26th largest city not the 27th.

See List of United States cities by population. According to the latest Census estimate, Louisville is #27. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 01:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pop Growth

"Between the 1990 Census and 2000 Census, Louisville's metro area population outgrew Lexington's by 149,415, and Cincinnati's by 23,278" I can't find this data anywhere... is there a cite? 76.177.18.83

The stats that these figures are based on are included in the metro area articles, and those stats are sourced. Simple math is allowable and is not original research.
Also, I would ask you to please stop this pattern of trying to de-feature this article via fact tag placement. It is not a welcome behavior. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 17:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Steve 74.128.200.135 20:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Steve 76.177.18.83 22:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference

"Influenced by both Midwestern and Southern culture, Louisville is often referred to as the northernmost Southern city and southernmost Northern city in the United States[citation needed]."

Actually, I'll agree with 76.177.18.83, there needs to be a citation for that. The wording, "often referred," needs to be verified. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 05:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I definently think this general issue should be addressed in the article... most non-Kentuckians I talk to eventually ask something along the lines of "So is Louisville in part of the south or the midwest or the north or what?" Personally I think it's history has a good deal in common with rust belt cities, although with some elements of southern culture, or at least emulation of it. At any rate, I did find this: "Louisville is one of the oldest river ports in the country, and also the northernmost Southern city of any size" (Seattle Times). Not sure if Seattle newspaper writers are really that great of a source for opinions on Louisville culture though. I would almost say scrap the disputed claim until we get it cited... the intro of an FA shouldn't have sentences with a {{fact}} tag. --W.marsh 06:37, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
The closest I came to was in a Falcon guide but it was vague at best. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 07:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm certainly not opposed to finding a good reference for this, but I think it should be acknowledged that, based on the edit history of 76.177.18.83, he/she is performing Chinese water torture on this particular article.

Anyway, the Encyclopedia of Louisville says "Located at the top of the South, [Louisville] is separated by only one mile of water from the Midwest". I'm sure other references can easily be found for this. For Louisvillians, the sentence is obvious, and I would keep it as experiential fact, perhaps with slight rewording. But again, it shouldn't be that difficult to find references. I'd do it if I wasn't on wikibreak. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 16:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Well I don't think that Louisville's mixed culture shouldn't be acknowledged just because the census bureau considers Kentucky Southern and thusly making Louisville a Southern city. The Northern most Southern city and the Southernmost Northern city is a commonly used term to describe Louisville (though I think of it as the Northern most Southern city) that doesn't really need a source when you think about it. Atanta is called magic city what fact are you going to use to prove that. Again I think it's just a silly citation. 74.128.200.135 01:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I just provided two citations for the article - one from an article in the Journal of Economic History that explicitly acknowledges Louisville not just as "influenced by the Midwest" but as a Midwestern city, and another from Emporis.com that includes the whole "northernmost Southern city and southernmost Northern city" phrase.

And I agree that this whole "controversy" regarding that statement is just about as silly as the "controversy" about whether or not putting spaghetti in chili is a Midwestern thing. I also agree that (most) people from the city or who have lived there at some time know that it's common sense. But a few editors (well, just one actually) have been using obstructionist tactics to strike down any statements that even remotely suggest that Kentucky has a thing in common with the Midwest. Just check here. --70.168.88.158 23:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

BTW Spaghetti in the Chili is NOT a Midwestern thing this day in age. This variation along with the Texas Southwest (uses steak like meat) are the two main ways preapre the dish (though the spaghetti is more widely used). Louisvillian 23:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad Ali

I feel that the current Wikipedia entry (14 Feb 2007) on Louisville, KY does not give sufficient coverage to the city's most illustrous son and the greatest sportsperson on Earth, Muhammad Ali. More on Ali, please. 82.44.184.208 22:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

There is a separate article on him. Seicer (talk) (contribs) 23:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree that it would be a good idea to add a blurb about Ali, but it would necessarily link to Muhammad Ali. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 18:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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