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Contents 1 Nice work 2 Fugue 3 William Lawes 4 Pachelbel 5 Takemitsu

[edit] Nice work

Nice work on the fugue and false relation articles. Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical music seems right up your alley if you haven't already seen it. Graham87 02:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fugue

Hi, thanks for the compliments and congratulations on your job on the Fugue article - well done! I've been trying to rewrite the article for months, but the material just wouldn't render itself in words (English is my second language..).

One thing I noticed about the article in its present form is that episodes need to be explained (ie. its not clear from the text that a fugue consists of an exposition, sections with entries of the subject and episodes - subject-free sections). Also, I'm not sure, but someone once explained to me that a counter-exposition occurs only if the voices enter in different order or on different scale degrees compared to the original exposition. Ie, if the original exposition was soprano-tonic, alto-dominant, tenor-tonic, then a simple additional exposition occurs whenever all three voices state the subject successively, and a counter-exposition if the entries go either soprano-dominant, alto-tonic, tenor-dominant OR tenor-tonic, alto-dominant, soprano-tonic. There's no way I can think of to explain this well, and anyway I'm not sure about it and New Grove seems unclear on the matter, I just thought I'd mention it here. Also, I believe "free counterpoint" isn't a fugue-specific term but simply, well, free counterpoint :)

I'm afraid I don't have enough time for the article right now, but in case you want to go further with it, I've long ago uploaded a nice example of a short stretto fugue, given here: Talk:Fugue#request for some defined terms with hyperlinks, and a very interesting example of subject transormations for the Goldberg Variations article, found here: Goldberg Variations#Variation 10 Fughetta along with an explanation beneath the image. I was also thinking about giving examples from Pachelbel's Magnificat fugues (they're short and to the point, perfect examples of simple fugues, and maybe we can coax a whole piece in the article since they're all short), Bach's C minor fugue from WTC1 (good example of a countersubject), perhaps a passage from Barber's fugue from his piano sonata (for the history section, good example of a modern fugue), and Bach's 5voice stretto from the B-flat minor fugue of WTC1 (to illustrate how far stretto can go). I even have a few of these ready in Sibelius format, just some minor editing needed.

Best wishes, Jashiin 13:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] William Lawes

Hi Matt, Just thought I'd leave a paragraph here to let you know why I've modified some of what you added to William Lawes and invite you to revert my changes if you disagree strongly enough.

When I read the edit I saw that it could be misinterpreted as saying that Lawes was Charles' kinsman, so I added a bit about Bernard Stuart to make it clear that they weren't kinsmen.

One author of an epitaph used on the occasion implies that there were other epitaphs used on the occasion, which I don't think was the case. I reverted it, but I'm not a music scholar, so if there were others, please re-instate it.

Regards, Ecb 19:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pachelbel

Hello Matt, I did respond on the talk page of the article, much earlier in fact, you must've missed it. I guess I wasn't in a very good mood, maybe the comment should be toned down a little.. anyway, I'll try to add some citations later today. Its just that there are almost no books on Pachelbel and only one general book (the Welter one. I don't have access to it, rather unfortunately since I absolutely love Pachelbel. Anyway) Thanks for messaging me though, I'd forgotten all about this already. Jashiin 18:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Takemitsu

I'm not sure about your recent copy edit on this page. The opening now reads very ambiguously "Tōru Takemitsu (武満 徹 Takemitsu Tōru, October 8, 1930 – February 20, 1996) was a Japanese, largely self-taught composer of contemporary- and classical music" ----- It doesn't make any sense to say Takemitsu WAS a composer of contemporary music, it's an oxymoron. Furthermore the use of 'classical' music when refering to Takemitsu's work is entirely ambiguous and perhaps a little misleading. Also now you have moved the opening biographical information to the section headed 'music', the whole article reads very badly - if you look at the Messiaen page - (which is featured) you can see that this sort of general information BELONGS in the opening, and then further more detailed data belongs in the body. A single sentence to open the article is totally useless, especially when it conveys so little useful information.

I haven't reverted it but I do think it reads badly now and needs reorganising.

Matt.kaner 23:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

yeah, it was erroneously saved by someone trying to be helpful...then i forgot all about it. it had some really big problems with hyper-referencing to start with, but i'll just revert and start over again. thanks for the reminder. --emerson7 | Talk 00:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)