Talk:Mazandarani language

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[edit] Mazandaranis are not ethnically Persian

According to CIA World Factbook, Mazandaranis are not ethnic Persians, but a distinct ethnic group [1]. So I suggest to have a page on Mazanadarani People as well.Heja Helweda 04:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Who is CIA?! We are Persian for the simple reason that we identifiy ourselves as persian. Also the first language of urban population in Mazandaran is Persian not Mazandarani. Sangak 20:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I am ofcourse not persian, but i proud to be iranian, i also proud to be tabarian, persians who don't consider other people and would like to consider themselves are disrespectfull, like what you are writing here, please assume good fath, You may think persian, but i am living among them, just in sari and babol people talking mostly persian, and some turkic cities of mazandaran like shahi and behshahr, --Ali 18:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The usage of Mazandarani has been in decline. Its literary and administrative rank was lost to Persian perhaps long before the ultimate integration of Mazandaran into the national administration in the early 17th century. Most people of Mazandaran are bilingual and many see Persian as their first language. Sangak 19:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

So, this is up to people and not language, please show some other evidences, actually you made me norvous to writing that message --Ali 19:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

According to the research by Maryam Borjian, Mazandarani is unintelligible with respect to Persian.Heja Helweda 05:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but the same paper notes that the speakers of Mazandarani are bilingual in both languages --Rayis 09:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I think there is still no consensus on wikipedia regarding what constitutes/defines an "ethnic" group. What is "ethnic"? Does the mere criterion of speaking a different language suffice? Or is it a racial issue? If the point is a linguistic issue, you cannot define an "ethnic" group based on it. Will anybody please finally come up with a sourced statement regarding what an "ethnic group" actually is, and how it relates to a "linguistic group"? Shervink 15:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)